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BocaRatonBrown1
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 Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 8:57 pm Post subject: Quick thought about the #22 - TR - Draft |
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Say we did take DD or RR. In 4 years either would require 7y $40+ deals at non premium position needs.
How excited should we be now?
I believe TR will be the #1 or #2 HB in all of NFL year one second to only MJD.
Weeden?
We end up with a solid QB prospect who is under pressure to perform early for what will be his only payday 4 years from now.
We get him on the cheap for 4 years $10mill.
So did we really lose at all?
If we would have traded #36 to get back into the 1st for Weeden the cost would have been 300-500 pts on the draft chart scale.
Next season our big needs are all value FA & draft positions such as FS, #2DB, WR, LB, & depth.
Even if we flop big time in 2012 and end up with worst case the #1 position. You can still take a QB like Barkely & be upgraded on just about all areas of the team.
In the end it feels like we are still coming out ahead with the Julio Jones trade.
Anyone starting to get excited about the season ahead?
Winn Wade & Benjamin. We will hit big time on one of these 3 picks.
Be nice to see us snag 1-2 big name vets on the cheap as we enter training camp.
Give colt till week 6 in a do or die.
Let Weeden take the helm week 7 v Colts if Colt does not put up solid numbers?
We are sitting good IMO.
Cut Wallace & sign a guy like Pryor or Vince Young etc?
I can finally say that our team has quality players at all starting positions & good guys at depth after this off season.
2012 is not looking so daunting to me anymore  |
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bulldog
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A report that was created by the same guy that said Hillis was getting off a plane in Pittsburgh. Only to find a few hours later he signed with KC.
Then repeated by a guy (Florio) who has notoriously and routinely dissed the browns by any means possible for the last several years.
Its a joke and they are digging for stories. |
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duke2056
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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I am not going to read this thread at all, but will answer the question. NO
His PLAY did him in.
Players in this league KILL people, run dogfighting gambling rings, and other horrific things, yet they manage to keep their jobs and play because they are GOOD.
Pretty sure if Colt was any good, a little thing like his dad saying stuff in the media would be overlooked.
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bruceb
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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| duke2056 wrote: | I am not going to read this thread at all, but will answer the question. NO
His PLAY did him in.
Players in this league KILL people, run dogfighting gambling rings, and other horrific things, yet they manage to keep their jobs and play because they are GOOD.
Pretty sure if Colt was any good, a little thing like his dad saying stuff in the media would be overlooked. |
Disagree strongly. His Dad, rightly, basically called Shurmur an idiot. Thin skins pierce easily; fragile egos break the same way.
The fact that Dad was right made it all the worse.
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BooyaCS
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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| bruceb wrote: | | duke2056 wrote: | I am not going to read this thread at all, but will answer the question. NO
His PLAY did him in.
Players in this league KILL people, run dogfighting gambling rings, and other horrific things, yet they manage to keep their jobs and play because they are GOOD.
Pretty sure if Colt was any good, a little thing like his dad saying stuff in the media would be overlooked. |
Disagree strongly. His Dad, rightly, basically called Shurmur an idiot. Thin skins pierce easily; fragile egos break the same way.
The fact that Dad was right made it all the worse. |
Yet it was McCoy who weaseled himself back into the game saying he was fine. Also convinently forgetting he didn't display any symptoms of the concussion until after the game.
That said it appears little Colt cannot stick up for himself so he needs daddy to do it.
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H2ThaIzzo
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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| bruceb wrote: | | duke2056 wrote: | I am not going to read this thread at all, but will answer the question. NO
His PLAY did him in.
Players in this league KILL people, run dogfighting gambling rings, and other horrific things, yet they manage to keep their jobs and play because they are GOOD.
Pretty sure if Colt was any good, a little thing like his dad saying stuff in the media would be overlooked. |
Disagree strongly. His Dad, rightly, basically called Shurmur an idiot. Thin skins pierce easily; fragile egos break the same way.
The fact that Dad was right made it all the worse. |
It's unfortunately that we are not allowed to rightly call you an idiot.
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duke2056
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| BooyaCS wrote: | | bruceb wrote: | | duke2056 wrote: | I am not going to read this thread at all, but will answer the question. NO
His PLAY did him in.
Players in this league KILL people, run dogfighting gambling rings, and other horrific things, yet they manage to keep their jobs and play because they are GOOD.
Pretty sure if Colt was any good, a little thing like his dad saying stuff in the media would be overlooked. |
Disagree strongly. His Dad, rightly, basically called Shurmur an idiot. Thin skins pierce easily; fragile egos break the same way.
The fact that Dad was right made it all the worse. |
Yet it was McCoy who weaseled himself back into the game saying he was fine. Also convinently forgetting he didn't display any symptoms of the concussion until after the game.
That said it appears little Colt cannot stick up for himself so he needs daddy to do it. |
Colt isnt responsible for things his dad says. His dad should know it's stupid to say anything. So, blaming Colt for things his dad says and portraying it in any way as Colt not being able to stick up for himsellf is R-E-T-A-R-D-E-D.
If Colt was good, his dad can start his own TV show and for an hour a day talk about how stupid our whole franchise is, and Colt would start every game.
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ReggieCamp
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 7:57 am Post subject: |
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H2ThaIzzo,
Cleverly wording an insult doesn't make it any less of an insult. Knock it off.
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dawgdish
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 9:35 am Post subject: |
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| bruceb wrote: | | duke2056 wrote: | I am not going to read this thread at all, but will answer the question. NO
His PLAY did him in.
Players in this league KILL people, run dogfighting gambling rings, and other horrific things, yet they manage to keep their jobs and play because they are GOOD.
Pretty sure if Colt was any good, a little thing like his dad saying stuff in the media would be overlooked. |
Disagree strongly. His Dad, rightly, basically called Shurmur an idiot. Thin skins pierce easily; fragile egos break the same way.
The fact that Dad was right made it all the worse. |
So you contend that even if McCoy was out there killing it like Brees on the field Surmer's ego couldn't take it and would have drafted Weeden?
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fatpig
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if the Browns had kept Colt on the sideline and allowed Seneca to finish that game, daddy and the media would be slamming Shurmur for not having the confidence in his young QB to finish the game.
i would understand if H&H were annoyed that dad got involved but i doubt it was a factor in selecting Weeden... the hit resulted in a suspended Harrison, an inquiry by the NFL, and new NFL protocols when a possible concussion occurs. i think thats enough of a response to offset any hard feelings.
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BooyaCS
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| duke2056 wrote: | | BooyaCS wrote: | | bruceb wrote: | | duke2056 wrote: | I am not going to read this thread at all, but will answer the question. NO
His PLAY did him in.
Players in this league KILL people, run dogfighting gambling rings, and other horrific things, yet they manage to keep their jobs and play because they are GOOD.
Pretty sure if Colt was any good, a little thing like his dad saying stuff in the media would be overlooked. |
Disagree strongly. His Dad, rightly, basically called Shurmur an idiot. Thin skins pierce easily; fragile egos break the same way.
The fact that Dad was right made it all the worse. |
Yet it was McCoy who weaseled himself back into the game saying he was fine. Also convinently forgetting he didn't display any symptoms of the concussion until after the game.
That said it appears little Colt cannot stick up for himself so he needs daddy to do it. |
Colt isnt responsible for things his dad says. His dad should know it's stupid to say anything. So, blaming Colt for things his dad says and portraying it in any way as Colt not being able to stick up for himsellf is R-E-T-A-R-D-E-D.
If Colt was good, his dad can start his own TV show and for an hour a day talk about how stupid our whole franchise is, and Colt would start every game. |
While he isn't responsible for what his dad says he should be responsible enough to tell him not to talk to the media when he is in a season.
It is similar to the Mannings. Archie will speak then Peyton or Eli speak. It is like they cannot handle their own business.
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bruceb
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| ReggieCamp wrote: | H2ThaIzzo,
Cleverly wording an insult doesn't make it any less of an insult. Knock it off. |
Thanks, Reggie.
Btw: I have a very thick skin, and a Ti ego!
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duke2056
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 8:35 am Post subject: |
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| BooyaCS wrote: | | duke2056 wrote: | | BooyaCS wrote: | | bruceb wrote: | | duke2056 wrote: | I am not going to read this thread at all, but will answer the question. NO
His PLAY did him in.
Players in this league KILL people, run dogfighting gambling rings, and other horrific things, yet they manage to keep their jobs and play because they are GOOD.
Pretty sure if Colt was any good, a little thing like his dad saying stuff in the media would be overlooked. |
Disagree strongly. His Dad, rightly, basically called Shurmur an idiot. Thin skins pierce easily; fragile egos break the same way.
The fact that Dad was right made it all the worse. |
Yet it was McCoy who weaseled himself back into the game saying he was fine. Also convinently forgetting he didn't display any symptoms of the concussion until after the game.
That said it appears little Colt cannot stick up for himself so he needs daddy to do it. |
Colt isnt responsible for things his dad says. His dad should know it's stupid to say anything. So, blaming Colt for things his dad says and portraying it in any way as Colt not being able to stick up for himsellf is R-E-T-A-R-D-E-D.
If Colt was good, his dad can start his own TV show and for an hour a day talk about how stupid our whole franchise is, and Colt would start every game. |
While he isn't responsible for what his dad says he should be responsible enough to tell him not to talk to the media when he is in a season.
It is similar to the Mannings. Archie will speak then Peyton or Eli speak. It is like they cannot handle their own business. |
The last time I told my dad to do something, he told me to stick it up my you know what.
Colt can tell him all he wants to not talk to the media. Does it mean that Colt is being irresponsible if his dad goes and does it anyway?? Seriously???
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BooyaCS
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 9:34 am Post subject: |
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| duke2056 wrote: | | BooyaCS wrote: | | duke2056 wrote: | | BooyaCS wrote: | | bruceb wrote: | | duke2056 wrote: | I am not going to read this thread at all, but will answer the question. NO
His PLAY did him in.
Players in this league KILL people, run dogfighting gambling rings, and other horrific things, yet they manage to keep their jobs and play because they are GOOD.
Pretty sure if Colt was any good, a little thing like his dad saying stuff in the media would be overlooked. |
Disagree strongly. His Dad, rightly, basically called Shurmur an idiot. Thin skins pierce easily; fragile egos break the same way.
The fact that Dad was right made it all the worse. |
Yet it was McCoy who weaseled himself back into the game saying he was fine. Also convinently forgetting he didn't display any symptoms of the concussion until after the game.
That said it appears little Colt cannot stick up for himself so he needs daddy to do it. |
Colt isnt responsible for things his dad says. His dad should know it's stupid to say anything. So, blaming Colt for things his dad says and portraying it in any way as Colt not being able to stick up for himsellf is R-E-T-A-R-D-E-D.
If Colt was good, his dad can start his own TV show and for an hour a day talk about how stupid our whole franchise is, and Colt would start every game. |
While he isn't responsible for what his dad says he should be responsible enough to tell him not to talk to the media when he is in a season.
It is similar to the Mannings. Archie will speak then Peyton or Eli speak. It is like they cannot handle their own business. |
The last time I told my dad to do something, he told me to stick it up my you know what.
Colt can tell him all he wants to not talk to the media. Does it mean that Colt is being irresponsible if his dad goes and does it anyway?? Seriously??? |
No he isn't. However he can be responsible for basically saying that he isn't responsible for stuff his dad says. If my dad called my place of employment and chewed them out I would need to do damage control or look for another job.
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Onizuka
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 9:41 am Post subject: |
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| BooyaCS wrote: | | duke2056 wrote: | | BooyaCS wrote: | | duke2056 wrote: | | BooyaCS wrote: | | bruceb wrote: | | duke2056 wrote: | I am not going to read this thread at all, but will answer the question. NO
His PLAY did him in.
Players in this league KILL people, run dogfighting gambling rings, and other horrific things, yet they manage to keep their jobs and play because they are GOOD.
Pretty sure if Colt was any good, a little thing like his dad saying stuff in the media would be overlooked. |
Disagree strongly. His Dad, rightly, basically called Shurmur an idiot. Thin skins pierce easily; fragile egos break the same way.
The fact that Dad was right made it all the worse. |
Yet it was McCoy who weaseled himself back into the game saying he was fine. Also convinently forgetting he didn't display any symptoms of the concussion until after the game.
That said it appears little Colt cannot stick up for himself so he needs daddy to do it. |
Colt isnt responsible for things his dad says. His dad should know it's stupid to say anything. So, blaming Colt for things his dad says and portraying it in any way as Colt not being able to stick up for himsellf is R-E-T-A-R-D-E-D.
If Colt was good, his dad can start his own TV show and for an hour a day talk about how stupid our whole franchise is, and Colt would start every game. |
While he isn't responsible for what his dad says he should be responsible enough to tell him not to talk to the media when he is in a season.
It is similar to the Mannings. Archie will speak then Peyton or Eli speak. It is like they cannot handle their own business. |
The last time I told my dad to do something, he told me to stick it up my you know what.
Colt can tell him all he wants to not talk to the media. Does it mean that Colt is being irresponsible if his dad goes and does it anyway?? Seriously??? |
No he isn't. However he can be responsible for basically saying that he isn't responsible for stuff his dad says. If my dad called my place of employment and chewed them out I would need to do damage control or look for another job. |
I agree...but how do we know he didn't go to Shurmur/Holmgren or even Heckert and apologized for his actions along with his dad's comments? I'm sure he spoke with his dad about how comments like that could impact his career as teams do not want any type of bad PR.
I'm still going to say that I believe it was a combination of his QB play, his dads comment, and of Weeden being available at the #22 pick and having a better arm then McCoy. |
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