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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bump for relevancy. Anyone know which tier Perry is in for this?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LUKE232323 wrote:
Bump for relevancy. Anyone know which tier Perry is in for this?


low risk 1
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IrishGreen wrote:
LUKE232323 wrote:
Bump for relevancy. Anyone know which tier Perry is in for this?


low risk 1


Yup. Only one in the class.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IrishGreen wrote:
LUKE232323 wrote:
Bump for relevancy. Anyone know which tier Perry is in for this?


low risk 1



Perry's 'twitch' is over 1.10 (it was 1.50) and his 3-cone was slower than 7.0

Doesn't that eliminate him from Low Risk 1?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought he was in low risk 2, which was for all players who got hgiher than 1.05 in the power thing.

If you remove Mark Anderson and Dontay Moch, since neither of them have played in a 3-4, Then the only two in that category who have not been to a Pro Bowl are Barwin and Houston. Remarkable considering Barwin was arguably deserving of the honor last season.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't Waldo say in his study that the 3-cone didn't seem to be relevant in the Low Risk 2 group? What makes guys in that group successful is their power numbers. If they can force their blockers to overset for their bull rush, they can get to the QB even if they don't have the agility or twitch to do an elite speed rush.

The question with Perry is whether Greene will get him to use his natural power to become a bull rusher. Perry never leveraged his bull rush ability much in college. Even when he got a good initial punch on the blocker, he'd tend to avoid pushing through him and instead try to go around him.

If Greene can convince Perry to rely on his bull rush and use the other stuff merely as counters, he could be something special. If Perry insists on trying to be Clay Matthews against NFL OTs, he'll likely wind up being Vernon Gholston instead.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:39 pm    Post subject: Re: 3-4 OLB's, by the #'s (Updated) Reply with quote

Waldo wrote:

Formulas used:
Mass = weight/height
Explosive Power = (vert+3.5*broad)*(weight/height)/3000
Speed 10 = 100*(1-(10 Split/(0.0114*(weight/height)+1.1785)))
Speed 40 = 100*(1-(40 time/(0.0397*(weight/height)+3.092)))
Speed Avg = (Speed 10 + Speed 40)/2
Agility = 100*(1-(3 Cone/(0.0573*(weight/height)+4.8403)))
Twitch = Shuttle - 2*10 yd split - (1.60 - 10 yd split)

Explosive power is a general measure of the amount of force the player can generate coming out of their stance.

The 10, 40, and agility measures come from graphing the drill vs. mass for all players, and finding the equation of best fit linear trendline of the data. It is a grade vs. the average of the drill for a given player mass.

Twitch something that I came up with similar to the fairly well known 40 time minus the shuttle time, that uses a 10 yd split instead of the 40. Since it is a 20 yd vs. 20 yd comparison, guys that can change directions fast will have a lower number, and they will appear sudden on tape. The bit at the end is a modifier that rewards fast guys and penalizes slow guys as it is meant to approximate how sudden a player looks with their movements. Lower is better.


A lot of nice work. A couple of things though. I was looking to use this on some newer drafted guy and what not so I got some weird numbers and had to look closer at your charts to realize units are mixed in these formula. It might be nice to show them. for example in the explosive power the vertical is in inches, broad jump is in feet, height is also feet. The twitch formula can be simplfied. You are subtracting two 10 yard splits then later you are subtracting 1.6 which already has a 10 yard split subtracted. That is the same as adding a 10 yard split which then means two 10 yards splits will cancel each other out leaving one split to be subtracted.

Final formula would be Twitch = Shuttle - (10 yard split + 1.60) or Shuttle - 10 yard split - 1.60.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:08 pm    Post subject: Re: 3-4 OLB's, by the #'s (Updated) Reply with quote

jake1962 wrote:
Waldo wrote:

Formulas used:
Mass = weight/height
Explosive Power = (vert+3.5*broad)*(weight/height)/3000
Speed 10 = 100*(1-(10 Split/(0.0114*(weight/height)+1.1785)))
Speed 40 = 100*(1-(40 time/(0.0397*(weight/height)+3.092)))
Speed Avg = (Speed 10 + Speed 40)/2
Agility = 100*(1-(3 Cone/(0.0573*(weight/height)+4.8403)))
Twitch = Shuttle - 2*10 yd split - (1.60 - 10 yd split)

Explosive power is a general measure of the amount of force the player can generate coming out of their stance.

The 10, 40, and agility measures come from graphing the drill vs. mass for all players, and finding the equation of best fit linear trendline of the data. It is a grade vs. the average of the drill for a given player mass.

Twitch something that I came up with similar to the fairly well known 40 time minus the shuttle time, that uses a 10 yd split instead of the 40. Since it is a 20 yd vs. 20 yd comparison, guys that can change directions fast will have a lower number, and they will appear sudden on tape. The bit at the end is a modifier that rewards fast guys and penalizes slow guys as it is meant to approximate how sudden a player looks with their movements. Lower is better.


A lot of nice work. A couple of things though. I was looking to use this on some newer drafted guy and what not so I got some weird numbers and had to look closer at your charts to realize units are mixed in these formula. It might be nice to show them. for example in the explosive power the vertical is in inches, broad jump is in feet, height is also feet. The twitch formula can be simplfied. You are subtracting two 10 yard splits then later you are subtracting 1.6 which already has a 10 yard split subtracted. That is the same as adding a 10 yard split which then means two 10 yards splits will cancel each other out leaving one split to be subtracted.

Final formula would be Twitch = Shuttle - (10 yard split + 1.60) or Shuttle - 10 yard split - 1.60.


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He left FF this past season.
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CWood21 wrote:
svp wrote:
Where's Waldo?


He left FF this past season.
Banned? If so, why?
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LftCoastPackFan wrote:
CWood21 wrote:
svp wrote:
Where's Waldo?


He left FF this past season.
Banned? If so, why?


We don't talk about that sort of thing on this site.
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LftCoastPackFan wrote:
CWood21 wrote:
svp wrote:
Where's Waldo?


He left FF this past season.
Banned? If so, why?


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