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Mile High
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1. Michael Brockers DT LSU – I honestly didn’t want to draft Brockers or Poe at this pick, but I couldn’t fathom a way to pass either guy if he is available. Getting Konz is a reach, and Wright is borderline irresponsible with Brockers or Poe on the board. As long as Poe or Brockers is on the board one of them is our pick, they start instantly and are a great pick for us.
Denver trades our 3rd, 4th and 2nd round pick next year to the Browns for pick (37). Why: The Browns took Richardson with their 1st round pick, and the value for the guy we trade up for is too high. Browns stink and pick load.
2. David Wilson HB Virginia Tech – He is a lot like Deangelo Williams to me. Runs hard, is fast, good hands. Wilson is incredibly pro-ready and a player who I expect to make an immediate day 1 impact. This Wilson pick goes with my belief that we are a team drafting for right now rather than building for the future.
2. Bobbie Massie OT Ole Miss – The value that Massie gives us at our late 2nd is too much to pass on. He easily starts at RT and allows Franklin to bump to his more natural position of offensive guard. For those who don’t think he will fall this far I think he will because of the opposite of the Christian Ponder effect. Tackles will fall pretty far in this draft, with IMO Martin and Adams both falling into the 2nd round. That will push Massie to the late 2nd.
4. Josh Chapman DT Alabama – Our 2nd DT, a strong run stuffer, Chapman anchored Bama’s defense and falls to the 4th because he isn’t that athletic, so what. Chapman produces and stops the run well. What more can you ask for from a guy in our DT rotation?
5. Marquis Maze WR Alabama – I love this guy, can’t see for the life of me why he falls so far in just about every mock. Guy is a warrior, and is explosive on the field. Who cares that his 40 wasn’t stellar (4.50) he plays like he runs a 4.30. Plain and simple, he is a weapon.
6. Vontaze Burfict ILB Arizona State – He is my favorite type of prospect. Character concerns, and a horrible showing since the season ended to the draft. Well guess what football isn’t played in the offseason. Burfict is great where it matters most, on the football field, that is all I really care about. I also think falling in the draft will be huge in terms of fixing his character concerns. Guy also lays wood.
Depth Chart (53 man roster):
QB: Manning----Hanie---Weber
HB: Wilson---McGahee---Moreno---Ball
FB: Larsen
WR: Thomas---Decker----Hill---Maze---Stokley----Caldwell
TE: Tamme---Green---Dressen---Thomas
LT: Clady---Harris
LG: Franklin----Ramirez
C: Beadles/Walton
RG: Kuper --- Ramirez
RT: Massie---Harris
DE: Doom---Hunter
DT: Brockers---Warren----Bannan---Chapman---Vickerson---Jarmon
DE: Ayers---Beal
WLB: Williams---Woodyard
MLB: Mays---Irving---Burfict
SLB: Miller --- Haggan
CB: Bailey---Porter---Harris---Thompson---Vaughn
S: Adams----Carter---Moore---Bruton
PR/KR: Maze
P: Colquitt
K: Prater
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I don't like your draft for a couple of reasons. Number one, why mortgage the future for right now? Denver needs to get more depth and you have them trading away half of their draft. Bad idea for a position that is easiest to fix.
Vontaze is a good player? He overruns plays, tries to go for the kill shot all the time, picks up penalties all the time because of his temper, and his not natural in reading plays. Get him as an undrafted free agent. |
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Chapman in the 4th. Keep dreaming.
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| big_palooka wrote: | | Chapman in the 4th. Keep dreaming. |
Chapman is coming off of a torn ACL/Torn Meniscus. Has had shoulder injury problems.
Walterfootball: 12 rated DT (projected round 3-4)
Nfldraftcountdown: 11th rated DT (mid rounder)
CBS: 10th rated (projected round 3-4)
Our 4th rounder (108) from the Jets is an early one.
How is that a dream?
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| ToastedOats wrote: | I don't like your draft for a couple of reasons. Number one, why mortgage the future for right now? Denver needs to get more depth and you have them trading away half of their draft. Bad idea for a position that is easiest to fix.
Vontaze is a good player? He overruns plays, tries to go for the kill shot all the time, picks up penalties all the time because of his temper, and his not natural in reading plays. Get him as an undrafted free agent. |
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| ToastedOats wrote: | I don't like your draft for a couple of reasons. Number one, why mortgage the future for right now? Denver needs to get more depth and you have them trading away half of their draft. Bad idea for a position that is easiest to fix.
Vontaze is a good player? He overruns plays, tries to go for the kill shot all the time, picks up penalties all the time because of his temper, and his not natural in reading plays. Get him as an undrafted free agent. |
You can't argue that before the draft Vontaze was a 1st round talent, I even remember seeing him as a top 10 player in the draft. Then the offseason came and his stock fell drastically. Sure a lot of what you said is right, but there has to be a reason why he was projected so high right? I also think he gets drafted, easily in the 7th so a late 6th seems perfect to grab him, if thats what we decided to do. Als that part about not being natural at reading plays...no idea where you got that from. The guy is incredibly instinctual on the field. More so than most players, which is why he does overrun plays. He is incredibly natural at play reading.
I also don't think getting Wilson is mortgaging the draft. To me I would rather have 2-3 great players, starters to come out of the draft, than to have 5-6 decent players who rotate and play. I think Wilson starts immediately, helps our offense drastically in both the short run and the long run. Especially because when Peyton leaves, having Wilson, Massie, Clady, Franklin gives us a power run game for our young QB to lean on.
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| Mile High wrote: | | big_palooka wrote: | | Chapman in the 4th. Keep dreaming. |
Chapman is coming off of a torn ACL/Torn Meniscus. Has had shoulder injury problems.
Walterfootball: 12 rated DT (projected round 3-4)
Nfldraftcountdown: 11th rated DT (mid rounder)
CBS: 10th rated (projected round 3-4)
Our 4th rounder (108) from the Jets is an early one.
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Because BP is never wrong, duh. He knows the future. Just like last year when he said Von Miller will suck. FacePalm.
Not a bad mock. Im not a fan of trading up for Wilson. I think hes a good player but not one to trade 3 picks for.
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Nice draft6. Love the Massie pick. Picking an OT early solves a couple of OL problems immediately.
About the only thing I didn't like was the trade for Wilson. Thats a lot to give up, especially when the RB class is so deep. That 2nd, 3rd and 4th could land a CB, RB and center. Just don't see how Wilson is worth it. |
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This a great draft until the last pick. Burfict is a fat, out of shape headcase. This team is going places this year and Burfict would most likely be a distraction just sitting on the bench.
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| Mile High wrote: | | ToastedOats wrote: | I don't like your draft for a couple of reasons. Number one, why mortgage the future for right now? Denver needs to get more depth and you have them trading away half of their draft. Bad idea for a position that is easiest to fix.
Vontaze is a good player? He overruns plays, tries to go for the kill shot all the time, picks up penalties all the time because of his temper, and his not natural in reading plays. Get him as an undrafted free agent. |
You can't argue that before the draft Vontaze was a 1st round talent, I even remember seeing him as a top 10 player in the draft. Then the offseason came and his stock fell drastically. Sure a lot of what you said is right, but there has to be a reason why he was projected so high right? I also think he gets drafted, easily in the 7th so a late 6th seems perfect to grab him, if thats what we decided to do. Als that part about not being natural at reading plays...no idea where you got that from. The guy is incredibly instinctual on the field. More so than most players, which is why he does overrun plays. He is incredibly natural at play reading.
I also don't think getting Wilson is mortgaging the draft. To me I would rather have 2-3 great players, starters to come out of the draft, than to have 5-6 decent players who rotate and play. I think Wilson starts immediately, helps our offense drastically in both the short run and the long run. Especially because when Peyton leaves, having Wilson, Massie, Clady, Franklin gives us a power run game for our young QB to lean on. |
My initial reaction was similar to Toasted Oats. But, you make some excellent points. I especially like your logic, or rather disagree with Toasted Oats logic, about mortgaging the draft. First, I agree with a lot of people that RBs can be gotten pretty much anywhere, including a Cell Phone kiosk at Aurora Mall. But I disagree that if you really think Wilson is going to be a HUGE Impact player, it might be better to focus on the future. The Denver Broncos future is right freakin' now. That is why you don't even think about Drafting a QB, anywhere in this Draft. A QB does ZERO for this team. It's fun to think about, but that's it. Personally I'd wait on a RB, but if you think it's the right way to go, who am I to argue with YOUR pick.
Similarly, I'm hugely anti-Burfict. To me, he seems like he might be this years "Maurice Clarett". Lazy, dis-interested, with a feeling of entitlement. But you make an excellent point that up until the Combine, Burfict was indeed a concensus 1st Round pick. I think it serves to remind everybody that the self-proclaimed pundit/guru's don't know a damned thing more than some of the people on this board. When it comes right down to it, there are very few "sure things" and a helluva lot of "crap shoots". And, if you want to bark in the tall weeds with the big dogs, you have to take chances. Maybe Burfict is worth a 6th Rd. "chance".
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Mile High wrote: | | big_palooka wrote: | | Chapman in the 4th. Keep dreaming. |
Chapman is coming off of a torn ACL/Torn Meniscus. Has had shoulder injury problems.
Walterfootball: 12 rated DT (projected round 3-4)
Nfldraftcountdown: 11th rated DT (mid rounder)
CBS: 10th rated (projected round 3-4)
Our 4th rounder (108) from the Jets is an early one.
How is that a dream? |
He's the best NT in the draft. It's an important position. He's a 2nd or 3rd rounder. Also injury is meaningless he produced at a high level w/ it.
| Mile High wrote: | | ToastedOats wrote: | I don't like your draft for a couple of reasons. Number one, why mortgage the future for right now? Denver needs to get more depth and you have them trading away half of their draft. Bad idea for a position that is easiest to fix.
Vontaze is a good player? He overruns plays, tries to go for the kill shot all the time, picks up penalties all the time because of his temper, and his not natural in reading plays. Get him as an undrafted free agent. |
You can't argue that before the draft Vontaze was a 1st round talent, I even remember seeing him as a top 10 player in the draft. Then the offseason came and his stock fell drastically. Sure a lot of what you said is right, but there has to be a reason why he was projected so high right? I also think he gets drafted, easily in the 7th so a late 6th seems perfect to grab him, if thats what we decided to do. Als that part about not being natural at reading plays...no idea where you got that from. The guy is incredibly instinctual on the field. More so than most players, which is why he does overrun plays. He is incredibly natural at play reading. |
Potential. They were projecting him to have big yr. Jevan Snead was projected to go #1 overall and he sucked and fell out of the draft. But when Burfcit was projected to gohigh. They expected him to continue playing w/ meanstreak, work not getting penalized, playing w/ athletcism and improving on his angles and tackling well. What actually happened:
-Got lazier
-poor angles
-A ton of character issues
-played softer
-dumb flags
Then the one thing people thought would still be there, his athletcism, wasn't there. His combine was atrocious. Rumor is ASU didnt even want him back if he wanted to comeback.
After the actual season everyone had dropped him to late 2nd to 4th rounder.Gurus always over or under rank and then after time passes they get it right. I honestly don't know if I'd even offer Burfcit a place in camp.
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| Donut wrote: | | He's the best NT in the draft. It's an important position. He's a 2nd or 3rd rounder. |
Dontari Poe is the best NT in this draft. By far. Then Almada Ta'amu comes in at 2nd. Then Baptiste and Chapman are pretty close for 3rd/4th best NT.
| Donut wrote: | Potential. They were projecting him to have big yr. Jevan Snead was projected to go #1 overall and he sucked and fell out of the draft. But when Burfcit was projected to go high. They expected him to continue playing w/ meanstreak, work not getting penalized, playing w/ athletcism and improving on his angles and tackling well. What actually happened:
-Got lazier
-poor angles
-A ton of character issues
-played softer
-dumb flags
Then the one thing people thought would still be there, his athletcism, wasn't there. His combine was atrocious. Rumor is ASU didnt even want him back if he wanted to comeback.
After the actual season everyone had dropped him to late 2nd to 4th rounder.Gurus always over or under rank and then after time passes they get it right. I honestly don't know if I'd even offer Burfcit a place in camp. |
I don't know if I believe most of this. One he had a 90 tackle 2010 season. He didn't need 100 to be a 1st rounder. He just needed to be consistent. Which he wasn't. He did drop off but that could be attributed to a number of things including Bill Miller the new DC. I really doubt that they didn't want him back he was 2nd on their team in tackles.
I actually don't mind the Maurice Clarett comparison. Clarett busted. But he could have easily boomed. I see the same with Burfict. I'd rather have a potential Ray Lewis (or a guy off the roster in 2 years) than a Mike Mohammad.
Burfict is big, hits hard, and is very instinctual. Those are things you can't teach. He lacks speed (like Brandon Spikes who turned out fine) and he lacks maturity. Maturity is the risk you take in Burfict. But honestly its a late 6th, its not that big a risk.
The boom benefit is bigger than the bust losses here.
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| Mile High wrote: | | Donut wrote: | | He's the best NT in the draft. It's an important position. He's a 2nd or 3rd rounder. |
Dontari Poe is the best NT in this draft. By far. Then Almada Ta'amu comes in at 2nd. Then Baptiste and Chapman are pretty close for 3rd/4th best NT. |
CHapman has better production and even if he's 3rd ranked NT no one else after will be close. Poe is only NT in 1 gap. I'd rather have Chapman in a 2n gap 34. I'd probably move Poe but regardless Chapman still is a top NT in a neccessary position w/ few candidates. He is only one w/ ideal size.
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| Donut wrote: | Potential. They were projecting him to have big yr. Jevan Snead was projected to go #1 overall and he sucked and fell out of the draft. But when Burfcit was projected to go high. They expected him to continue playing w/ meanstreak, work not getting penalized, playing w/ athletcism and improving on his angles and tackling well. What actually happened:
-Got lazier
-poor angles
-A ton of character issues
-played softer
-dumb flags
Then the one thing people thought would still be there, his athletcism, wasn't there. His combine was atrocious. Rumor is ASU didnt even want him back if he wanted to comeback.
After the actual season everyone had dropped him to late 2nd to 4th rounder.Gurus always over or under rank and then after time passes they get it right. I honestly don't know if I'd even offer Burfcit a place in camp. |
I don't know if I believe most of this. One he had a 90 tackle 2010 season. He didn't need 100 to be a 1st rounder. He just needed to be consistent. Which he wasn't. He did drop off but that could be attributed to a number of things including Bill Miller the new DC. I really doubt that they didn't want him back he was 2nd on their team in tackles.
I actually don't mind the Maurice Clarett comparison. Clarett busted. But he could have easily boomed. I see the same with Burfict. I'd rather have a potential Ray Lewis (or a guy off the roster in 2 years) than a Mike Mohammad.
Burfict is big, hits hard, and is very instinctual. Those are things you can't teach. He lacks speed (like Brandon Spikes who turned out fine) and he lacks maturity. Maturity is the risk you take in Burfict. But honestly its a late 6th, its not that big a risk.
The boom benefit is bigger than the bust losses here. |
First of all he sucked at every workout not just the 40. Burfict may be big and hit hard but he doesnt have very good instincts. He takes poor tackling angles. Burfict is pretty much worse in every aspect of ILB than Spikes. Spikes had character issues but no one had him as a prospect that's a cancer. Burfict hit hard and played stupid. He's been noted as a cancer while at ASU. Being slow, a lot of character issues, refusing to listen to coaching, takes bad angles, and is lazy. That's not worth a pick. And Spikes was at least producing in college. He was slow but he actually was smart and had very good instincts. No team bothered to even bring him in for visits.
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David Wilson is like a WR playing RB body wise. I hope you don't plan on him getting 200 or more carries a year. He's fumble prone. And yes, I know Tiki Barber fixed his. Great. Knowshon Moreno barely fumbled in college. He fumbles all the time now. McGahee fumbles at the worst moments also. If you can't hold onto the ball, you're not worth having.
Jamaal Charles isn't a good comparision (many people make it, which is beyond me) because Wilson is no where near as fast. He seeks contact, and is used inside more. The only thing they have in common is outside running ability and being fumble prone.
I'd rather have Doug Martin, Chris Polk, or Robert Turbin at another time in the draft.
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| Russell2Bailey wrote: | David Wilson is like a WR playing RB body wise. I hope you don't plan on him getting 200 or more carries a year. He's fumble prone. And yes, I know Tiki Barber fixed his. Great. Knowshon Moreno barely fumbled in college. He fumbles all the time now. McGahee fumbles at the worst moments also. If you can't hold onto the ball, you're not worth having.
Jamaal Charles isn't a good comparision (many people make it, which is beyond me) because Wilson is no where near as fast. He seeks contact, and is used inside more. The only thing they have in common is outside running ability and being fumble prone.
I'd rather have Doug Martin, Chris Polk, or Robert Turbin at another time in the draft. |
Your prognosis of WIlson is awful.
He is a bellcow back he had 290 carries in 2011 for a 5.9 ypc
He ran a 4.4. Fastest of every running back at the combine.
He is the best receiver out of the backfield except possibly Lemichael James.
You are correct about the fumbling. But that can be corrected.
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