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TheVillain112


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Is Alshon Jeffery's deep speed underrated? Reply with quote

InmanRoshi wrote:
Speedyg wrote:

Out of curiosity, do you have Matt Jones' comparative times to Alshon?


Or Limas Sweeds.


Limas Sweed:

10 yard split - 1.54 seconds
20 yard split - 2.62 seconds
40 yard split - 4.48 seconds

10 to 20 yards - 1.08 seconds
20 to 40 yards - 1.86 seconds
10 to 40 yards - 2.94 seconds

Sweed is another player that didn't have issues getting open, just catching the ball once it hit his hands...
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Should see some Orlovsky vs Manziel this week in the battle of "who's less aware of their surroundings"

Orlovsky has too much experience here. Manziel doesn't stand a chance.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Is Alshon Jeffery's deep speed underrated? Reply with quote

TheVillain112 wrote:
InmanRoshi wrote:
Speedyg wrote:

Out of curiosity, do you have Matt Jones' comparative times to Alshon?


Or Limas Sweeds.


Limas Sweed:

10 yard split - 1.54 seconds
20 yard split - 2.62 seconds
40 yard split - 4.48 seconds

10 to 20 yards - 1.08 seconds
20 to 40 yards - 1.86 seconds
10 to 40 yards - 2.94 seconds

Sweed is another player that didn't have issues getting open, just catching the ball once it hit his hands...


I watched Sweed his entire career dating back to high school, and he definitely had issues getting open because he couldn't break down and change direction out of his breaks to save his life. He was a long strider, and the only plus tool he had was being able to run in a straight line fast. Get in his face in press coverage and tie him up on the line, and he was worthless.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Is Alshon Jeffery's deep speed underrated? Reply with quote

InmanRoshi wrote:
I watched Sweed his entire career dating back to high school, and he definitely had issues getting open because he couldn't break down and change direction out of his breaks to save his life. He was a long strider, and the only plus tool he had was being able to run in a straight line fast. Get in his face in press coverage and tie him up on the line, and he was worthless.


I agree to a certain extent. With the Steelers he got open but keep dropping the ball. From what I saw, he could get open but the ball had to be under-thrown because he couldn't catch the ball over his head. He could only catch balls when facing the QB...
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Should see some Orlovsky vs Manziel this week in the battle of "who's less aware of their surroundings"

Orlovsky has too much experience here. Manziel doesn't stand a chance.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Is Alshon Jeffery's deep speed underrated? Reply with quote

mikeyfarley wrote:
Speedyg wrote:
jrry32 wrote:
Jeffery's 40 yard dash at his Pro Day went like this:
10 yard split - 1.64
20 yard split - 2.63
40 yard split - 4.48

10 to 20 yards - 0.99 seconds
20 to 40 yards - 1.85 seconds
10 to 40 yards - 2.84 seconds

I know you're wondering what my point is here. Look at Alshon's 10 yard split, it's VERY slow for a WR. Which is why I've made the point again and again that he doesn't possess great initial burst. He builds up speed. For a smaller WR, this would be an issue but on the vast majority of the routes that need burst, Alshon's big body, physicality and great hands will allow him to make the catch even with a defender on him.

Here's where it gets very interesting. Some have wondered how Alshon is such an effective intermediate to deep threat despite not looking fast on tape. I've always said that he has deceptive deep speed due to his long strides and I'm going to attempt to confirm that.

Julio Jones:
10 yard split - 1.50
20 yard split - 2.47
40 yard split - 4.34

10 to 20 yards - 0.97 seconds
20 to 40 yards - 1.87 seconds
10 to 40 yards - 2.84 seconds

Percy Harvin:
10 yard split - 1.47
20 yard split - 2.51
40 yard split - 4.39

10 to 20 yards - 1.04 seconds
20 to 40 yards - 1.88 seconds
10 to 40 yards - 2.92 seconds

DeSean Jackson:
10 yard split - 1.53
20 yard split - 2.52
40 yard split - 4.35

10 to 20 yards - 0.99 seconds
20 to 40 yards - 1.83 seconds
10 to 40 yards - 2.82 seconds

What I'm attempting to show here is that once Alshon is up to speed, surprisingly, he's actually quite fast. He takes time to build up to speed but from the 10 yard mark to the finish, he was faster than Percy Harvin, tied with Julio Jones and only .02 seconds slower than DeSean Jackson.

Here are some similarly sized WRs with similar 40s(4.46 to 4.51) to show that this isn't a normal thing for big WRs:
Hakeem Nicks:
10 yard split - 1.52
20 yard split - 2.60
40 yard split - 4.51

10 to 20 yards - 1.08 seconds
20 to 40 yards - 1.91 seconds
10 to 40 yards - 2.99 seconds

Kenny Britt:
10 yard split - 1.56
20 yard split - 2.62
40 yard split - 4.50

10 to 20 yards - 1.06 seconds
20 to 40 yards - 1.88 seconds
10 to 40 yards - 2.94 seconds

Carlton Mitchell:
10 yard split - 1.52
20 yard split - 2.60
40 yard split - 4.46

10 to 20 yards - 1.08 seconds
20 to 40 yards - 1.86 seconds
10 to 40 yards - 2.94 seconds

AJ Green:
10 yard split - 1.55
20 yard split - 2.53
40 yard split - 4.48

10 to 20 yards - 0.98 seconds
20 to 40 yards - 1.95 seconds
10 to 40 yards - 2.93 seconds

Jonathan Baldwin:
10 yard split - 1.58
20 yard split - 2.57
40 yard split - 4.49

10 to 20 yards - 0.99 seconds
20 to 40 yards - 1.92 seconds
10 to 40 yards - 2.91 seconds

Limas Sweed:
10 yard split - 1.54
20 yard split - 2.62
40 yard split - 4.48

10 to 20 yards - 1.08 seconds
20 to 40 yards - 1.86 seconds
10 to 40 yards - 2.94 seconds

Justin Blackmon:
10 yard split - 1.53
20 yard split - 2.60
40 yard split - 4.46

10 to 20 yards - 1.07 seconds
20 to 40 yards - 1.86 seconds
10 to 40 yards - 2.93 seconds

What am I saying? Alshon doesn't have burst but he has great build up speed. Those saying he's possession WR and chain mover are pretty much stating the opposite of what his strengths are. His speed translates to attacking the intermediate and deep areas of a defense because once he reaches his top end speed, he's fast.


Out of curiosity, do you have Matt Jones' comparative times to Alshon?


Matt Jones had a 1.55 10 yard split, 2.54 20 yd, and 4.37 40 yd


Ugh..at 6'6 and what? 225 out of college?!? What a freakin' waste of talent.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mikeyfarley wrote:

You're making it out like Jeffery did nothing in that game. He didn't burn Jenkins deep for any huge gains or TDs, but he was productive.

"Alshon Jeffery, the SEC's leading receiver, came up with several key third-down receptions among his six catches for 53 yards."

http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=303170057
Jenkins wasn't covering him the whole game. But, when he did, he held Jeffery down to very little. I think he might have had 2 short gain receptions on Jenkins but I don't remember if those catches were on 3rd downs.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

indifference wrote:
mikeyfarley wrote:

You're making it out like Jeffery did nothing in that game. He didn't burn Jenkins deep for any huge gains or TDs, but he was productive.

"Alshon Jeffery, the SEC's leading receiver, came up with several key third-down receptions among his six catches for 53 yards."

http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=303170057
Jenkins wasn't covering him the whole game. But, when he did, he held Jeffery down to very little. I think he might have had 2 short gain receptions on Jenkins but I don't remember if those catches were on 3rd downs.


I remember 2 first down catches where Garcia just lobbed it up and Jeffery went up over Jenkins and caught it. Jenkins got called for PI on one. But yea, he did a very nice job of shutting Jeffery down. Then again, he shut down Green and Jones too.

Jeffery absolutely torched Alabama's DBs though. He didn't discriminate either lol. He beat Barron, Kirkpatrick and Milliner.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

agree with jrry 100% here, great breakdown bro alshon better be in the lou next year.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Is Alshon Jeffery's deep speed underrated? Reply with quote

TheVillain112 wrote:
jrry32 wrote:
Jeffery's 40 yard dash at his Pro Day went like this:
10 yard split - 1.64
20 yard split - 2.63
40 yard split - 4.48

10 to 20 yards - 0.99 seconds
20 to 40 yards - 1.85 seconds
10 to 40 yards - 2.84 seconds


Chris Henry when he came out of WVU:

10 Yard split: 1.64 seconds
20 Yard split: 2.68 seconds
40 Yard split: 4.50 seconds

10 to 20 yards - 1.04 seconds
20 to 40 yards - 1.82 seconds
10 to 40 yards - 2.86 seconds

If the numbers I got for Henry are accurate, he's pretty close to Jeffery. And Chris Henry didn't have any issues running by DB's in the NFL...


Almost exactly identical numbers...If we could have Henry again without the boneheadness...good Lord
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can anyone post Michael Floyd's times in those same splits? Would be interesting to see where he ranks.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

speaking of Limas Sweed, whatever happened to that guy? I remember the Steelers drafting him but I haven't heard his name ever since...
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jrry32 wrote:
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Cut on the tape, poor separation...


Actually, not at all true but your opinion on him probably comes from a few youtube clips.


Judging his speed on the football field in full pads from youtube clips against defensive backs that will never play a down in the NFL is more in tune with reality than making a thread based upon his speed in the underwear olympics. Laughing I'll be here waiting for you in reality when you get back.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

coors wrote:
speaking of Limas Sweed, whatever happened to that guy? I remember the Steelers drafting him but I haven't heard his name ever since...


Just had a workout with the Bengals. Guessing if they sign him it won't be until after the draft...
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Should see some Orlovsky vs Manziel this week in the battle of "who's less aware of their surroundings"

Orlovsky has too much experience here. Manziel doesn't stand a chance.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Watching Jeffery, he reminds me of Vincent Jackson. A big bodied WR who can make catches even when he is perfectly covered and has better deep speed than it looks. I would love for him to "slip" to round to round 2 pick 48 Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would love if the rams drafted him in the early second. My wife and I lived in Columbia for the past two years and went to a few games. The guy may not have blazing speed, but he is def. a good football player.
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