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diamondbull424
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| diamondbull424 wrote: | 1.) The Baltimore Ravens resign RB Ray Rice:
Deal is for 5 yrs, $43M; $15M signing bonus, 10M roster bonus in year two, deal could reach $45M if all incentives are reached. $25M total guaranteed in first two years of deal- $4M more than DeAngelo Williams received last summer. 15M more than Jamaal Charles received in guaranteed cash. 7.5M more than MJD received in guaranteed cash just two years ago. 2012 Cap hit: 7.5M
2.) The Baltimore Ravens sign QB Joe Flacco to contract extension:
7 years, $88.2M contract, 44.5M guaranteed. Another 20M available through incentives (some likely, some unlikely). 2012 Cap Hit: Same.. I think we see Flacco play out his rookie deal with the same cap hits, etc. And then a 6 year "new" deal takes affect after the 2012 season. Officially locking up Flacco for, what should be/potentially be, his entire career with the Baltimore Ravens. He'd be 34 by the end of the deal and likely headed into a period of possible decline. At best, he might have a couple more years left in him at that point.
3.) The Baltimore Ravens restructure Ed Reed's contract: 3 years, $18m, with a $7m signing bonus. 2012 Cap Hit: $4.5m |
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The real NFL draft is almost upon us. Yes, indeed, it's been almost 12 months since we selected two James Smith's in the first round and thought how awesomely cool we were. It's been almost a full year since we passed up on Chris Carter in the 3rd & 4th rounds... and then he goes JUST before us to the Steelers in the 5th... and we have to settle for some raw run stuffing DE, named Pernell McPhee with our 5th round comp ( ). Yes, it's been quite awhile since Billy Cundiff had us all believing he could be our franchise kicker for the foreseeable future and therefore we pass up Alex Henery and Kai Forbath. Indeed the 2011 NFL draft is simply a thing of the past. And the 2012 draft is coming, but first...
DB424's Final Mock Offseason/Draft comes along with its absurdly long prospect evaluations (TL;DR, right?). For those following my other mock drafts you will have noticed the evolution of my "man crush". It started innocently enough after the 2011 NFL draft where I had some center named Peter Konz as my selection... he was considered the consensus 3rd best center in this class at that point, a 2nd/3rd round guy. But it didn't matter, I BELIEVED in him. I thought he was the best center in this draft class just from watching the tape- I couldn't believe how absurd the accusations that he wasn't were. Alas his durability issues ruined him for me and thus the Konz hate you now see was spawned.
Then the "man crush" moved towards one of the biggest, most athletic players you've seen on this side of the moon- Cordy Glenn. But it soon became apparent that he would not last until our pick. Did I ever believe he would? I can't say I did, he was simply too dominate on tape. So the man crush was left with no vessel to capture the fullness of its beating hopes... until one dark night, while alone and typing away at the computer screen... while viewing prospect videos of Peter Konz... someone to his right kept... well dominating.
Enter Kevin Zeitler, another dominant Wisconsin lineman, a guy whose big and nasty and super competitive. A guy who is meaner than your neighborhood bully while also a strong collegiate student. Brain and brawn, simply not possible! But it was and is... then finally the "man crush" diverged and Alshon Jeffery shared the throne with Zeitler for top honors. This has led us to now. Both prospects have been mentioned as possible early 2nd round selections recently and with the Ravens only likely able to select one of them, a choice had to be made: Team Jeffery or Team Zeitler and in the end, I chose...
PS: Value Range represents the earliest point that I believe the mentioned player could be selected for what I deem as "good value".
2012 Baltimore Ravens NFL Mock Draft
Round 1
| Quote: | Baltimore Ravens trade: Pick #29 to Jacksonville Jaguars. Jaguars select DE, Whitney Mercillus, Illinois.
Baltimore Ravens receive: Pick 2.6th (#38 ), Pick 4.6th (#101), and Pick 5.7th (#142) |
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Round 2
| Quote: | Round 2, Pick 38:
The Baltimore Ravens select:
Kevin Zeitler, OG, Wisconsin
6'3 ⅞”, 315 lbs, Official Forty: 5.39, Arm Length: 32 ½”, Hand Size: 10 ⅛”
2011 Stats: 13 GS/13 GP
Career Stats: 35 GS/42 GP
Kevin Zeitler vs Nebraska & Penn State
Strengths
- Excellent pulling guard.
- Gets elite level push for a guard in the run game, a true road grader.
- Excellent pass protector, didn't allow a sack in his 35 starts at OG.
- Champion wrestler in HS- like Kelly Gregg- this has contributed to his top-notch understanding of how to use leverage to beat his opponent.
- Very good technique, rarely allows a defender to get into his body and knock him off balance.
- Show an elite level ability to recover on the rare occasion he's beaten by a defender.
- Excellent strength and has punishing hands, really delivers a blow on contact with defender.
- Understands how to ride the more dominant DL competition away from his QB, even if he can't control them.
- Great at executing combination blocks and then getting to the second level.
- Highly driven athlete, wants to be the best at whatever he does.
Weaknesses
- Not an elite level athlete.
Grade: A = (4.0 pts)
The value that Zeitler provides in the 2nd round cannot be beat. IMO he's tied with David CeCastro and Cordy Glenn as my 1a, 1b, and 1c options at the position- all having All Pro potential at the next level. However Zeitler has received less fan far as these other names, potentially because his overall impact is less experienced playing with a stout OL. He's a better guard than John Moffit last year and is a better interior player than Peter Konz. He possesses all the tools needed to play guard in any scheme. Zeitler is one of the few OL prospects in this draft that wouldn't simply replace Grubbs... but would upgrade his level of play. Zeitler here, would be a steal.
Player Comparison: Alan Faneca
Value Range: Top 25 pick
Round 2, Pick 61:
The Baltimore Ravens select:
Mychal Kendricks, ILB, California Golden Bears
5'11 ¼” 240 lbs, Forty: 4.47s, 3-Cone: 6.68s
2011 Stats: 13 GS/13 GP
105 TTs: 69 solo, 36 asst, 14 TFL- 55 yds, 2.5 scks- 26 yds; 2 PBU, 2 INTs- 62 yds; 1 FUM ret- 31 yds
Career Stats: 38 GS/51 GP
256 TTs: 154 solo, 102 asst, 35.5 TFL- 139 yds, 11.5 sks- 89 yds; 5 PBU, 4 INTs- 130 yds, 1 TD; 2 FUM ret.- 76 yds, 1 FF
Mychal Kendricks vs USC
Mychal Kendricks vs Stanford
Strengths
- Highly instinctive LB. Reads and reacts to plays fast and explodes up-field to bring ball carriers down in the backfield.
- Very fluid athlete, possesses nice hips for an ILB can change direction well.
- Takes the correct pursuit angles to ball carriers and hustles to get his hat onto the ball.
- Possesses an immense drive to be a great player, takes the game seriously.
- Playmaker. Voted as Pac 12 DPOY.
- An adept blitzer from the inside, strong and explosive to get pressure on the QB.
- Takes on and sheds blockers very well.
- Currently plays ILB in a 34 defense, so has plenty of experience in role.
Weaknesses
- Undersized LBer. The closest he'll get to being listed at 6'0" is if they allow him to stand on a Sunday newspaper during the combine weigh-ins.
- Doesn't have the length to cover up passing lanes against taller receivers.
- Can sometimes play a little too fast, sometimes missing open field tackles because of it.
Grade: B+ (3.3 pts)
Kendricks is simply a flat out playmaker at ILB. He displays elite athletic talent and used that ability on his way to winning the Pac-12 DPOY award. Some have questioned his intelligence as of late, but Kendricks was the leader of the Cal defense and has top notch football instincts. Smarter players have failed in the NFL because they didn't have the necessary instincts. Kendricks has those instincts and with the Ravens he has the top notch leaders that he can lean on in developing his chalk board abilities at the next level. If he gets that down, that leaves only more upside for him at the next level.
Player Comparison: Jon Beason
Value Range: Early 2nd |
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Round 3
| Quote: | Round 3, Pick 91:
The Baltimore Ravens select:
Greg Childs, WR, Arkansas
6’3 ⅛” 219 lbs, Arm Length: 34 ⅛”, Hand Size: 10⅛”; Forty: 4.47s avg, 3-Cone: 6.90s, Vertical: 40 ½”
2011 Stats: 11 GP
21 rec., 240 yds, 11.4 ypc, 0 TDs
Career Stats: 44 GP
133 rec., 2066 yds, 15 TDs
Greg Childs vs. Auburn & Georgia
Strengths
- Prototypical #1 WR size.
- Quick feet to cut and juke well. Very fluid for a WR his size.
- Tracks the ball in the air and attacks it when defender is in range.
- Displayed incredible work ethic and toughness in 2011 season to rehab his knee and play the season at all.
- Has legit jump ball ability and can be a redzone threat.
- Pretty strong, fights off jam well.
- Involved blocker, really looks to do his part for the running game.
- Played receiver in a very pro-style offense, has experience with the route tree.
- Has good deep speed, is a definite fit in a vertical passing attack.
Weaknesses
- Serious injury concern. Patella injury could cause problems down the road.
- Attacks the ball in the air, but doesn't consistently pluck it at it's highest point.
- Relatively strong, but not a tank after the catch. Could stand to add more strength.
Grade: B+ (3.3 pts)
Greg Childs was being viewed as a potential 1st round level receiver before his injury. The Ravens let go of Lee Evans and while the receiver situation is alright, Childs at this point, offers potential BPA type of ability. The pick likely comes down to Childs or the BPA running back on the board. Of the two, RBs can still be found for good value later... Childs has #1 type potential at WR and is a strong fit in Cam's vertical passing attack. This pick certainly does carry much risk, but it's a risk we can afford to take. We pass on Jeffery in the 2nd, yet still land a playmaking vertical receiver that upgrades our redzone attack.
Player Comparison: Prime Braylon Edwards
Value Range: Mid 3rd |
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Round 4
| Quote: | Round 4, Pick 101:
The Baltimore Ravens select:
Michael Brewster, C, Ohio State Buckeyes
6'4 ¼” 310 lbs, Forty: 5.35s, Arms: 31”, Hands: 9 ⅝”
2011 Stats: 13 GS/13 GP
Career Stats: 49 GS/52 GP
TMBS Mike Brewster 2010
Mike Brewster vs. Nebraska
Mike Brewster vs. Devon Still
Strengths
- Tough and durable. Hasn't missed a game in his career with the Buckeyes.
- Good technician along the OL, has a strong understanding of hand placement.
- Made the protection calls for OSU.
- Has shown a good ability to adjust when beaten, good ability to look for in OL.
- Scheme diverse, currently plays in a more MBS, but has more than enough athleticism to be excellent in a ZBS.
- Looks really good at reaching second level defenders.
- Very experienced and battles tested, starting at center since freshman year for a high profile school.
- Has legitimate OL versatility, can play either center or guard at the next level.
- Has a good physique, not the flabby build of most IOL.
- Has good quick feet. Mirrors well in space.
- Very accomplished. Was voted as an All American following his junior year.
Weaknesses
- Snapping issues while at OSU magnified in 2011.
- Could stand to improve on his combination blocking, too often he seems less comfortable getting his hands on a guy that's already engaged with a teammate.
Grade: B (3.0 pts)
Brewster definitely isn't the same product as his more heralded fellow Buckeye alumnus, Nick Mangold, but he still offers probowl level potential as a pivot at the next level. His athleticism and size give him ultimate versatility between G or C, MBS or ZBS. He won't ever be an All Pro type player, but could see a few probowls in his career and truly elevate the AFCN as having the best centers in all of football (Mack, Pouncey, Brewster). I grade Brewster and Konz quite similarly, only Brewster gets the higher grade for his increased durability (Konz is better otherwise). While Konz has become somewhat overrated, Brewster has started to become equally underrated IMO. The Ravens front office will be glad to see a prime talent like Brewster fall to them into the 4th round. Brewster along with Reid and Zeitler should all be in a camp battle for the LG spot. Ultimately I see Zeitler getting the spot, but Brewster will have a chance to sit and learn behind one of the most technically advanced centers in NFL history. Brewster finally gets to redshirt a season and learn behind a great collection of OL minds. By 2013 he should be the starter and paired with Kevin Zeitler and Marshal Yanda- they should form the best interior OL in the NFL, giving Flacco a strong pocket to step into.
Value Range: Late 2nd
Round 4, Compensatory Pick
The Baltimore Ravens select:
Ronnie Hillman, RB, San Diego State
5’8 ¾” 200lbs, Forty: 4.45s, Bench: 17 reps, Vertical: 37"
2011 Stats: 13 GS/13 GP
311 attempts- 1,711 rushing yds, 5.5 ypc, 19 RTDs, 24 rec., 270 yds, 1 PTD
Career Stats: 42 GS/50 GP
573 attempts- 3,243 rushing yds, 5.7 ypc, 36 RTDs, 33 rec., 338 yds, 2 recTD
Ronnie Hillman, vs. Air Force- 2011
Ronnie Hillman vs Washington State- 2011
Strengths
- High level RB vision.
- Awesome juke move ability to create space.
- Patient runner that sees the holes just before they develop and attacks.
- Perfect fit in a ZBS with tremendous quickness when cutting.
- Tremendous production in his two seasons starting.
- Has good hands as a receiver out of the backfield
Weaknesses
- On the smaller side of RB frames.
- Doesn't have elite burst for his size.
- Lower body strength isn't ideal, he's not going to carry defenders.
- Will sometimes get himself in trouble going East/West.
Grade: B (3.0 pts)
He's the perfect addition to our running back core. The RB position is a volatile one. Anthony Allen has potential as a big bruising back behind Ray Rice, but if Rice were to go down, we currently don't have a shifty RB option to provide similar impact. Enter Ronnie Hillman. While Allen has the size, Hillman would give a comparable RB to what Ray Rice provides with his tremendous RB vision and shiftiness. He protects us against the possibility of Rice going down, while also offering another shifty option to put in the game when Rice tires down some. Hillman would be a quality starter and with us will be a great backup option.
Value Range: Late 3rd |
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Round 5
| Quote: | Round 5, Pick 142:
The Baltimore Ravens select:
Frank Alexander, DE/OLB, Oklahoma
6'3 ½” 270lbs, Forty: 4.80s
2011 Stats: 13 GS/13 GP
54 TTs: 35 solo, 19 asst, 19 TFL- 81 yds, 8.5 scks- 49 yds, 7 QB hurries; 3 FFs; 8 PBU; 1 INT ret- 27 yds
Career Stats: ? GS/48 GP
142 TTs: 89 solo, 73 asst, 44 TFL- 197 yds, 20.5 sks- 138 yds, 15 QB hurries; 7 FFs; 15 PBU; 1 FUM ret- 3 yds, 1 INT ret- 27 yds.
Frank Alexander vs. Texas, 2011
Strengths
- Absolutely relentless going after the QB. Has only marginal sack totals, but has plenty of QB hurries to his credit.
- Uses great lower body strength to set the edge very well against the run.
- Has a perfect blend of speed and power as an edge threat.
- Nice hustle on the field, works to consistently chase plays down.
- Has been a playmaker when on the field, forcing fumbles on multiple occasions.
- Very active with his hands to get himself into the body of blockers and explode upfield.
- Plays the game with energy and passion, should be a perfect fit in with how the Ravens do business.
Weaknesses
- Doesn't have the agility you'd want if you plan on using him too much in coverage.
- Has great physical gifts, yet didn't dominate enough at the collegiate level... that could be a slight concern.
- Has some character concerns of note.
Grade: B- (2.7 pts)
I'm a big fan of Frank Alexander and at this point in the draft he's excellent value. He has a terrific motor and really brings his hard hat to work everyday. He's aggressive and plays with both solid technique, balance, speed, and power. I think there's a chance that he could turn into a late round gem assuming he falls this far. He simply makes plays.
Value Range: Late 4th-Early 5th
Round 5, Pick 157:
The Baltimore Ravens select:
Andrew Datko, LT, FSU
6’6 ⅛” 315lbs, Forty: 5.32s, Arms: 33 ⅞”, Hands: 10”
2011 Stats: 4 GS/4 GP
Career Stats: 40 GS/41 GP
Andrew Datko vs. Oklahoma (LT)
Strengths
- Prototypical size for a LT at just over 6'6" and 315 lbs, has more than enough size to hold his own at the NFL level.
- Is a very good run blocker, using exceptional explosion off the snap to move his man and give a crease to his runner.
- Solid pass blocker that has the agility necessary to battle elite pass rushing speed.
- Has extensive starting experience. Walked onto FSU and started as a true freshman.. earning first team freshman All American.
- Battle tested. Having faced multiple pass rushing threats over his stay such as Robert Quinn, Derek Morgan, etc.
- Agility, explosion, and speed makes him the perfect fit in a ZBS at the next level.
Weaknesses
- High level durability concerns. His shoulder caused him to miss the end of the 2010 season to surgery and the surgery didn't take forcing him to miss the vast majority of the 2011 season. He still hasn't yet been able to display an ability to bench press and prove his shoulder's health.
- Not an elite pass blocker, is strictly solid, could use technique refinement.
- Not a dominating blocker, simply solid.
Grade: B (3.0 pts)
When healthy Datko possesses mid 2nd round type ability to impact the game. There would've even been a chance that he could've worked his way into the back end of the first round. Because of legit durability concerns, he has instead fallen to the late 5th round. The Ravens have a need for LT depth behind Bryant McKinnie. Datko has legit starting ability and readiness, if McKinnie goes down- he could be counted on to man the position.
Value Range: Mid 5th
Round 5, Pick 169 (comp):
The Baltimore Ravens select:
Jeff Fuller, WR/H-Back, Texas A&M
6’3 ½” 223lbs, Forty: 4.53s, Arms: 33 ⅝”, Hands: 9 ⅞”, Bench: 17 reps, Vertical: 32", 3-Cone: 7.09s
2011 Stats: 13 GS/13 GP
70 rec., 828 yds, 6 TDs
Career Stats: GS/ GP
233 rec., 3092 yds, 34 TDs
Jeff Fuller Draft Analysis 2010
Strengths
- Very nice size and incredible build for an NFL receiver, looks the part.
- Is a very willing run blocker that gets push when he locks onto corner.
- Very strong, rarely goes down on 1st contact, always seems to drag defenders for yards.
- Has pretty quick feet for a guy his size.
- Combines strength, size, body control, and athleticism to be a dangerous redzone threat. 34 TDs in college career.
- Very physical, not easy to press.
Weaknesses
- Very inconsistent hands in 2011. Only above average prior.
- Senior year suffered plenty of nagging injuries that provides some cause for concern.
- Not a deep threat, short to intermediate possession receiver only.
Grade: B- (2.7 pts)
Like Datko, when healthy in 2010, Jeff Fuller proved to be a 2nd round value and possible 1st round consideration. Injuries and concentration issues in 2011 took its toll and he's instead dropped like a squashed fly throughout this draft process. However he's big, is a proven redzone option, and has key NFL bloodlines (father was a safety for the 9ers in the 80s.) Sure we didn't need a receiver with Boldin, Smith, Doss, Williams, Reed, and now Childs... however Reed is likely to be released, Williams isn't anything more than a bubble option, and Doss hasn't proven anything to this point in his career. Fuller is highly talented and is BPA at this point. He should upgrade the depth and competition at the receiver position as well as provide insurance as a redzone threat behind Childs.
Before the injuries took a toll, Fuller was being compared to Dwayne Bowe of the Chiefs, he shouldn't be taken lightly as a 5th round pick... he has the potential to be a mega steal and the potential to win the competition as our 3rd WR/redzone option. Like the TE position a few years ago, what used to be a position of weakness... can now be a position of strength for the Ravens for years to come.
Value Range: Early 5th |
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Round 6
| Quote: | Round 6, Pick 189:
The Baltimore Ravens select:
Akiem Hicks, 34 DE, Regina Rams (Canada) from JUCO via LSU
6’4 ⅝” 318 lbs, Arm length: 35 ⅛”, Hand size: 10 ¼”, Forty: 5.23s, Bench: 27 reps, Vertical: 32", 20 yd shuttle: 4.86s, 3-Cone: 7.57s avg
2011 Stats: 8 GS/ 8 GP
36 TTs, 8.0 TFL, 6.5 sacks
Career Stats: GS/ 46
59 rec, 756 yds, 12.8 avg, 9 TDs GP
Akiem Hicks, Shrine Game + Interview
Strengths
- Great straight line speed for a man his size.
- Displays more than solid movement skills for a 34 DE.
- Positional versatility having played DE, NT, and DT... played some 5-tech.
- Sounds articulate and has a definite passion for the game of football, having chased his dream to this point.
- Life circumstances and how he's dealt with them, shows some mental toughness.
Weaknesses
- Raw prospect, having played the majority of his career against inferior competition.
Grade: C+ (2.3 pts)
The Ravens need DL depth behind Cody/Ngata. And could use an extra body to compete with McPhee/Jones for the starting DE spot. Hicks has the size and athleticism to play multiple positions along the DL. He looks to possess pretty good hand usage on tape and has sleeper potential. He'll likely need time to develop, but the same was said about Pernall McPhee before he became an instrumental part in the Ravens 2011 pass rush. Hicks possesses a lot of potential with his size/athleticism combination that is comparable to 1st round talents Michael Brockers and Devon Still. At the end of the day, he could be a steal.
Value Range: mid 6th |
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Round 7
| Quote: | Round 7, Pick 221:
The Baltimore Ravens select:
Phillip Thomas, FS, Syracuse
5'11" 198lbs, Forty: 4.72s, 3-Cone: 6.95s, Vertical: 33"
2011 Stats: 10 GS/10 GP
82 TTs: 54 solo, 28 asst, 4.5 TFL- 7 yds; 1 FF; 3 PBU; 6 INT ret- 50 yds
Career Stats: ? GS/35 GP
203 TTs: 135 solo, 68 asst, 8.5 TFL- 17 yds; 1 FF; 6 PBU; 9 INT ret- 77 yds
Phillip Thomas vs. West Virgina
Strengths
- Superb agility and change of direction ability.
- Makes plays and displays good instincts for the position.
- Very good tackler from the FS spot, average over 8 tackles per game.
- Hands down the best player in the Syracuse secondary.
- Had 6 interceptions in only 10 games as a junior.
Weaknesses
- Not the ideal size/speed combo that you'd want from a FS in the NFL.
- Only marginal explosive ability.
- Only a true junior coming out, he could be a little raw in his technique.
- Not a good blitzer, gets pushed around and doesn't have the elite speed to blow past OTs.
Grade: C+ (2.3 pts)
He has the instincts that you like from the safety position and has been an impact player throughout his stay in Upper New York. The Ravens snatch him up in the 7th to solidify their safety depth behind Ed Reed and Bernard Pollard. Thomas should also be a solid special teams option with his strong tackling ability and agility to shift through clutter. This is a weak safety class, but Thomas- as a true junior coming out- still possesses some upside.
Value Range: early 7th |
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As always your comments are MUCH appreciated...
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Diamond, you should take a bow because this would be a really good draft for the Ravens if it plays out that way. You have done your homework and I applaud you for that, good job  . |
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Zeitler is a good pick. I'd rather stay put and get Hill, Perry, Worthy, Barron, or Randle. But this isn't a bad route.
Love the Kendricks pick. Very explosive player.
Childs is a beast. Taking a player with a patellar tendon injury that high makes me nervous.
I don't like Brewster. Tiny arms and I thought he looked terrible against Michigan State.
Hillman is a nice pick.
Alexander I think has huge arms and that production speaks for itself. Solid pick in the 5th.
Datko is a player I love and had he not had a history of injuries I would have been happy with him a lot higher than this. This deep in the draft he's probably worth the injury risk.
Hicks has a ton of upside. I was only able to find one short highlight reel of his and it was against very weakcompetition. But he looked like a man among children.
Thomas in the 7th would be really good value.
I like it.
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Zeitler, Childs, and Brewster? Enough said.
I love this draft. Probably the best and most comprehensive mock I have seen in some time. May have just motivated me to down my own mock this year. I'd be jumping for joy if the actual draft went down this way. While there are some picks I'm not huge fans of, I don't see any prospect I downright hate. Really god job db.
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| i like the draft but arent you missing a 5th round pick? with the trade we should have 3 of them |
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| The only pick I really don't like is Childs. That's a round or two too high for him and I don't think he's going to be much of a player in the NFL. Getting Thomas in the 7th round might be a bit optimistic. |
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| santiagomn8 wrote: | | i like the draft but arent you missing a 5th round pick? with the trade we should have 3 of them |
You sir, are correct. I forgot about the 5th round comp.... Thanks for reminding me. 
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I really like it. I wouldn't take Zietler at 29 but trading back would be good value. I'm a big fan of Michael Brewster; I'd be fine taking him even in the third.
Overall, I like the addressed Offensive Line needs with Zietler, Brewster, and experiment with Datko.
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I'm a huge fan, as always, of your mocks! Good job.
Getting Zeitler at that point would be huge and an absolute steal. With that said I don't think he's going to last that long. Right now I'm hearing late 1st to very early 2nd. I even think he would be an excellent pick at 29. I'm glad you choose to pass up on both Hill, Perry, Randle and Worthy.
Quality receivers can be had later in the draft, and with the way offences evolve, it's not enough to just have one great guy, you need a couple of good ones rather.
Perry, to me, is mostly a 4-3 END. With that said I'm not that opposed to him as you can never have too many good rushers. Not that big of a need though, and not good enough value to make up for it. Same goes with Worthy. A fine player, but I think McPhee and Art Jones can do a really solid job in rotation. Worthy is not good enough to warrant selecting him when the need is not that great.
Most of my concerns with Kendricks has more to do with whom we'll be choosing him over, but with the Zeitler pick you eliminated that concern. I like the guy as a player and at this point I find it hard to imagine that there is a player I like more on the board.
Both Childs and Brewster are guys I'm really happy you choose. To me the draft is all about getting the highest value and in order to do that you often need to take advantage of misconceptions. Both guys are risky, but their problems are not super huge, and have nothing to do with motivation or work ethic, but rather with problems on the field that can be dealt with.
Childs has the injury concerns, which I think is overblown, and Brewster has the whole, lack of dominance thing. Especially Brewster is a guy I think is quite similar to Birk in that way that he never really seems to just blow people away, but still gets the job done every time.
Not a huge fan of the Hillman pick. I don't quite think his tape is all that good to begin with. I think we can get better value. Looks slow to me and makes bad choices at times.
I'm really exited about Frank Alexander and super happy you chose to get him. Guy might not blow you away with his tape, but he's definetly got some things going in his favor. Impressive physique and an aggressive playstyle.
Fine with Datko. I'm always looking for guys who were ranked highly, but drop because of injury concerns, physical ability or overscrutinized play. Might be a bit of a project, but has definitely the ability.
Don't know enough about the last two guys to really comment on them.
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| santiagomn8 wrote: | | i like the draft but arent you missing a 5th round pick? with the trade we should have 3 of them |
Draft updated and finalized.
Jeff Fuller added via the Baltimore Ravens 5th round compensatory pick.
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| Quote: | | FlaccoForever wrote: | | Diamond, you should take a bow because this would be a really good draft for the Ravens if it plays out that way. You have done your homework and I applaud you for that, good job . |
| RavensTillIDie wrote: | Zeitler, Childs, and Brewster? Enough said.
I love this draft. Probably the best and most comprehensive mock I have seen in some time. May have just motivated me to down my own mock this year. I'd be jumping for joy if the actual draft went down this way. While there are some picks I'm not huge fans of, I don't see any prospect I downright hate. Really god job db. |
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Thanks it definitely took a lot of work to put this together. Luckily it becomes easier over time when the format is already there from previous mocks. And RTID, looking forward to what you put together...
| Quote: | | DontTazeMeBro wrote: | | Childs is a beast. Taking a player with a patellar tendon injury that high makes me nervous. |
| coordinator0 wrote: | | The only pick I really don't like is Childs. That's a round or two too high for him and I don't think he's going to be much of a player in the NFL. Getting Thomas in the 7th round might be a bit optimistic. |
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One thing I was looking towards was using FFMD1 & 2 as a gauge for where exactly these prospects might go and Childs went early 4th there and his stock has him as a 3rd round value via nfldraftscout. So I think taking him late 3rd is probably about right where we can hope to have our last shot at him.
In terms of the concerns about his injury, it wasn't a complete tear, so that should help... I've also added Jeff Fuller as another WR with potential (though not as much) so as to somewhat alleviate some of the risks involved in this pick. But I like to use the 3rd round as a place where I take a "big risk". Usually there may still be some 1st round value left even into the 3rd round with some guys and in this draft, that could be Childs... he could be an injury bust, but he could also be the perfect fit in our offense.. it's a risk I'm comfortable making knowing that a team like ours isn't going to likely be in a position to draft the high round WR types that are true difference makers a lot of the time... I view Childs just like I viewed Jimmy, Kindle, and Cody... all risks, but guys who have phenomenal upside if things work out. I think a couple of these guys every draft is a healthy thing to bet on.
| Stance Punk wrote: | I really like it. I wouldn't take Zietler at 29 but trading back would be good value. I'm a big fan of Michael Brewster; I'd be fine taking him even in the third.
Overall, I like the addressed Offensive Line needs with Zietler, Brewster, and experiment with Datko. |
Agreed. I really like Brewster more than the average fellow. I like the fact that his stock is down, I hope the Ravens have interest in him as well. Would love it if we were able to draft him somewhere in the mid-rounds. And yeah, I thought we needed something at LT. It was either Datko or perhaps taking a gamble on a guy like Tom Compton. Datko is battle tested and proven and just has the shoulder problem. As a depth guy, I don't think that should be a problem. If his shoulder gets healthy, we have an answer to our LT problem, if not, we can still have him as depth and look to solidify the position at the top of the 2013 draft.
| STrid wrote: | | Not a huge fan of the Hillman pick. I don't quite think his tape is all that good to begin with. I think we can get better value. Looks slow to me and makes bad choices at times. |
That's what I saw from the beginning of the Washington State tape. But as the game wore on his explosion looked like it came around. Also looking at the Air Force tape, I liked the explosion he brought to the table there. He accelerated much quicker there. So I think his lack of explosiveness is somewhat a patience thing, it doesn't seem to get him into trouble often. However he does have very good quickness and runner's vision at the LOS to find a crease and maximize yardage. I think behind an interior line like the one we're building he could be incredible productive. I see a quicker Chester Taylor from him on tape.
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I'd be pretty darn happy if that draft turned out to actually happen (although not as happy as I was after the first 2 rounds of last year's draft).
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| drd23 wrote: | | I'd be pretty darn happy if that draft turned out to actually happen (although not as happy as I was after the first 2 rounds of last year's draft). |
Well you can't really beat getting both Jimmy and having Torrey fall to us as a deep threat... and then learning that both of their names are actually James Smith... and then learning that both of them actually bunked together on their visit to the castle... and then having Torrey defend Jimmy against all of the media hoopla about his Scarface t-shirt.
THAT would be incredibly difficult to beat... actually, I'm not even sure it's possible. That same type of coincidence + awesome picks combination may never happen again in NFL history... that was exciting stuff. 
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Solid draft DB, especially the first 3 picks.
I would have liked to have gotten a candidate to be a kick returner somewhere though, and 'm not sure I like Hillman as much as you do.
And I have a question morethan a complaint about Fuller. I remember reading that some teams think he's going to have to bulk up and be a TE in the NFL. Do you see him more as a WR or and H-back type at the next level? Because if he's an H-back, I would think his value might increase somewhat and he could go 30-40 picks higher than you have him drafted. |
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| gooselovechild wrote: | Solid draft DB, especially the first 3 picks.
I would have liked to have gotten a candidate to be a kick returner somewhere though, and 'm not sure I like Hillman as much as you do.
And I have a question morethan a complaint about Fuller. I remember reading that some teams think he's going to have to bulk up and be a TE in the NFL. Do you see him more as a WR or and H-back type at the next level? Because if he's an H-back, I would think his value might increase somewhat and he could go 30-40 picks higher than you have him drafted. |
Personally, I think he can probably add a max of 10 lbs to his frame. ATM his frame already looked pretty maxed out. He's very svelte in terms of his musculature. Too much more mass and I think he not only loses speed, but it could adversely impact his durability. But that's just my opinion. I personally think he's fine where he is.
I think he's perfect as a possession receiver. He's really not THAT slow at all. I mean he's a 4.5 guy when healthy. That's enough speed to get it done at the pro level. He's a terrific redzone option. So what if he can't ever be a Super Star, he has the abilities to at least be a niche possession redzone threat at the next level... and if I were the coach/GM that's how I'd prefer to use him until he proves to fail. An experiment to TE would only make me less likely to want to use my draft resources on him.
EDIT: I think his upside at receiver could be a poor man's Dwayne Bowe and his downside is probably Kelley Washington. At TE/H-Back... I honestly have no idea. He's probably an Ed Dickson type, good/decent speed, but inconsistent hands.
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