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EaglesPeteC
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:23 am Post subject: Just Did a GM Mock for the Texans |
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I just did a GM Mock for the Texans. I am not a Texans fan, but I wanted to know how I did. No trades allowed in this mock.
Houston Texans
26. Houston*- Whitney Mercilus*, DE/OLB, Illinois
58. Houston* - Nick Toon WR Wisconsin
77. Houston - from Philadelphia- Brandon Weeden QB Oklahoma St.
101. Houston - from Philadelphia via Tampa Bay- Brandon Mosley OT Auburn
123. Houston*- Tony Bergstrom G/T Utah
163. Houston- Chris Rainey, WR/RB/KR/PR, Florida
198. Houston- J.K. Schaffer, ILB, Cincinnati
236. Houston- Marquis Maze, WR/PR, Alabama
I already got bashed for my Brandon Weeden pick, but he was sticking way out on my board. As an Eagles fan, I think the Texans could fo a Kevin Kolb with TJ Yates next offseason and get great value. |
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Underwood 
Joined: 06 Feb 2007 Posts: 2280 Location: Texans Nation
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:10 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, the Weeden pick is what sticks out here. Matt Schaub isn't old, so by the time he hangs them up, Weeden will be close as well. lol _________________
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treece300e
Joined: 29 Jul 2011 Posts: 269 Location: Nampa, ID
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, I don't know about the Weeden pick. While Yates fairly well for the position he was in last year, I think we'd rather have a little more NFL experience to work with Yates and Schaub, and that would be a little high for us to go with a QB. I could see us going 5th or later if we picked up a QB at all.
While I see many analysts mocking a rush OLB in the first to replace Mario, I have to question whether or not they watched Barwin and Reed play last year. They may not have been the most productive, but they played very well. We generate a lot of pressure from our D-Ends and from middle blitzes as well. I don't think it's as much of a need there as some people make it out to be. However, that may be the greatest value pick, so it is certainly a possibility.
I think Rainey might be the same mistake we made with Trindon Holiday; drafting a pure specialist. He can be a game changing scat back, but I don't think he'll get the opportunities and would likely end up on IR (for a hang nail) or on the PS. I like the idea of a very solid KR/PR, not sure I like it in the for of Chris Rainey, though.
I personally think you nailed it with Toon in the second. Some might disagree, but I'm really high on him. Beefing up the OL is also a great call, and you did so with some solid talent. I like the Maze pick also. He has the ability to be a true nickel, though we're pretty loaded with those types. I think that his ability to return punts (maybe kicks?) would be good value, especially if he can develop into a rotational, or even starting #3/4 CB. |
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Texansfan713 
Joined: 24 Dec 2009 Posts: 23337 Location: Houston
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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Not a fan of Whitney Marceilus at pick 26. I still think he has a chance to be a boom or bust prospect. He only had 1 good year and that was his breakout year this past season. If we traded back in round 2 and draft him I wouldnt be that mad. Toon will make a solid wr at the next level, but he has injury concerns. I am assuming all the other wr's(blackmon, floyd, wright, hill, randle, jeffery and sanu) are off the board when we pick in round 2. Not a fan of Weeden in round 3 . Doubt we go QB that early when we have Yates as our backup. I expect us to draft a QB in the later rounds. The two 4th round picks gives us OL depth so I like. We haven't resigned Ward yet, and I really like the Rainey pick because he is versatile, and I like the last 2 picks. Like underwood said, the Weeden pick sticks out to me. No way we address QB that early.
| Quote: | | While I see many analysts mocking a rush OLB in the first to replace Mario, I have to question whether or not they watched Barwin and Reed play last year. They may not have been the most productive, but they played very well. We generate a lot of pressure from our D-Ends and from middle blitzes as well. I don't think it's as much of a need there as some people make it out to be. However, that may be the greatest value pick, so it is certainly a possibility. |
You can never have enough pass rushers. That's why the analysts think we should go OLB early in the draft because of the loss of Mario. If Barwin or Reed were to get injured, we should be screwed in finding a pass rush at outside linebacker. Nading and Braman or our backups, and while they are solid on special teams, they don't strike fear into other teams as a "pass rushing threat" _________________
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Wolf6151
Joined: 11 Feb 2008 Posts: 2559 Location: Pearland, Texas
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:01 pm Post subject: Re: Just Did a GM Mock for the Texans |
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| EaglesPeteC wrote: | I just did a GM Mock for the Texans. I am not a Texans fan, but I wanted to know how I did. No trades allowed in this mock.
Houston Texans
26. Houston*- Whitney Mercilus*, DE/OLB, Illinois
58. Houston* - Nick Toon WR Wisconsin
77. Houston - from Philadelphia- Brandon Weeden QB Oklahoma St.
101. Houston - from Philadelphia via Tampa Bay- Brandon Mosley OT Auburn
123. Houston*- Tony Bergstrom G/T Utah
163. Houston- Chris Rainey, WR/RB/KR/PR, Florida
198. Houston- J.K. Schaffer, ILB, Cincinnati
236. Houston- Marquis Maze, WR/PR, Alabama
I already got bashed for my Brandon Weeden pick, but he was sticking way out on my board. As an Eagles fan, I think the Texans could fo a Kevin Kolb with TJ Yates next offseason and get great value. |
I think you did excellent. I really like the first 5 picks, though I wonder what other WR's were available when you took Toon. Schaub is still a major question mark because we don't know how his injury will heal after the doctors remove the metal band in his foot holding it all together, and it would be nice to turn Weeden into a viable QB that we can trade for picks in a couple years. I would have liked to see a late round DT/NT like Fangupo or Baptiste, but overall I think you did a very good job considering your not a Texans fan. |
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treece300e
Joined: 29 Jul 2011 Posts: 269 Location: Nampa, ID
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Texansfan713 wrote: | Not a fan of Whitney Marceilus at pick 26. I still think he has a chance to be a boom or bust prospect. He only had 1 good year and that was his breakout year this past season. If we traded back in round 2 and draft him I wouldnt be that mad. Toon will make a solid wr at the next level, but he has injury concerns. I am assuming all the other wr's(blackmon, floyd, wright, hill, randle, jeffery and sanu) are off the board when we pick in round 2. Not a fan of Weeden in round 3 . Doubt we go QB that early when we have Yates as our backup. I expect us to draft a QB in the later rounds. The two 4th round picks gives us OL depth so I like. We haven't resigned Ward yet, and I really like the Rainey pick because he is versatile, and I like the last 2 picks. Like underwood said, the Weeden pick sticks out to me. No way we address QB that early.
| Quote: | | While I see many analysts mocking a rush OLB in the first to replace Mario, I have to question whether or not they watched Barwin and Reed play last year. They may not have been the most productive, but they played very well. We generate a lot of pressure from our D-Ends and from middle blitzes as well. I don't think it's as much of a need there as some people make it out to be. However, that may be the greatest value pick, so it is certainly a possibility. |
You can never have enough pass rushers. That's why the analysts think we should go OLB early in the draft because of the loss of Mario. If Barwin or Reed were to get injured, we should be screwed in finding a pass rush at outside linebacker. Nading and Braman or our backups, and while they are solid on special teams, they don't strike fear into other teams as a "pass rushing threat" |
I agree that it's good to have depth, but I don't like the idea of drafting for depth in the first, unless it is a very high-value pick (which I mentioned might be the case of this draft). People have also said we need to replace Mario (who was our #1 OLB) not necessarily fill a #3 rotational OLB spot, which is the case. I'd have no problems taking a rush OLB in the first, but not if there are better players available at positions where we need starters. However, at #26 sometimes you have to follow the model of others and go BPA, even if it's not an immediate need (a la Giants, Packers etc) |
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jargin
Joined: 13 Dec 2006 Posts: 7038 Location: Houston, TX
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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While I do like Mercilus and Toon, they are not my ideal choices in round 1 and 2. Preferably I would like to see the Texans grab a CB or a DT in the first round, although OLB is much obliged, then grab a WR in the second. Again, Toon is much appreciated but Mohamed Sanu, Marvin McNutt, Quick and Cunningham tickle my fancy a bit more than Nick from Wisconsin if we are talking 2nd rounders.
If you were to flip those round 1 and 2 needs giving us a WR in the first round I would be alright with seeing Rueben Randle/Stephen Hill/ Alshon Jeffery/ Kendall Wright as a selection with perhaps a lower graded DT or OLB such as Lewis from Oklahoma, Ta'amu from Wash or maybe Andre Branch if he is there. Not sure exactly how these round 2/round 3 guys grade out exactly. Maybe McClellin is actually a 2nd rounder and everyone putting him in the 1st is just hyping him. Who knows.
Just to confuse things even more I would be happy with an early OL pick because at this point we need to protect Matt Schaub by keeping him upright and open up some lanes for the Foster/Tate attack although you may have the Kubs strategy correct with waiting until those later rounds to try to find a diamond in the rough on the front line. Konz, Zeitler and Sanders being the most likely candidates in my eyes although I have hard time picturing us drafting center at 26 unless Konz's value on our board dictates it because normally if you are looking to pick up the top center you try to grab him at the 31-32 area not the 25-26 area. But hey, thats just more draft confusion and mystery. The 1st round CB would be great though because the front 7 of the defense is pretty damn solid when you look at the starters so if you are just drafting for rotation and depth then you may be just spending on luxury or a guy who isn't going to contribute as much as a CB could. _________________
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EaglesPeteC
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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I thought Mercelious was BPA. In round 1, Kendall Wright was off the board as was all the CB's. I know Reed and Barwin are good pass rushers, but much like the Giants, you don't pass on pass rushers if they are there. I thought he was better value at 26 then Stephen Hill.
As for Nick Toon, there was a run on receivers in the 2nd. I felt like if I didn't grab Toon there the WR's would have been slim.
I like Texans fans. Most of the other teams' fans just called me an idiot and bashed my picks. You guys actually give constructive criticism. |
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PAtexansFAN99
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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I rly like the Chris Rainey pick I hope that happens _________________
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TexansFan23
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| EaglesPeteC wrote: | I thought Mercelious was BPA. In round 1, Kendall Wright was off the board as was all the CB's. I know Reed and Barwin are good pass rushers, but much like the Giants, you don't pass on pass rushers if they are there. I thought he was better value at 26 then Stephen Hill.
As for Nick Toon, there was a run on receivers in the 2nd. I felt like if I didn't grab Toon there the WR's would have been slim.
I like Texans fans. Most of the other teams' fans just called me an idiot and bashed my picks. You guys actually give constructive criticism. |
I think you did a decent job. Knowing who was on the board in the first and second would have helped, though.
I actually like Mercilus, but I agree with others in saying that he's a risky pick. Again, depending on who was there, someone safer might have been better.
I'm not really a huge Toon fan, but I understand the rationale for taking him.
I'm actually on board with Weeden in the fourth. It's good value, and if he were to show something, he could be shipped off for some value.
All in all, not earth-shattering, but not terrible. _________________
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Apollo Stallion
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:22 am Post subject: |
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Considering I think Weeden could go to the Browns at #22 or #37, getting him at #77 would qualify as a massive steal. The Texans absolutely need another QB as unlike the posters here who see TJ managing victories against Atlanta and Cinn, I see a guy who was completely exposed as an imposter against elite defenses like the Ravens, was awful against the Panthers, and got badly outplayed by our former 3rd stringer, Dan Orlavsky, in a loss to the Colts. I like TJ as a developmental guy who eventually can be a halfway decent backup who can manage a game or two when the starter gets hurt, but that noodle arm will never allow him to take the next step like Matt Flynn, Schaub, or others. Weeden essentially comes in a plays the role of veteran backup, and if something blows up with Schaub this year gives us a legit option as a starter this year and beyond. It's never happening in the real world, but there is no way you should be getting any grief about getting a game ready starting QB in the 3rd. At the very least, after a year and some game exposure as a backup I suspect we could spin that pick for a 1st rounder or ditch Yates for a 3rd.
I don't quite understand how Texan fans would be content to be in the same situation as last year where the only thing between us and our first Super Bowl was having nothing better than a 5th round duck launcher and 2 reitrees left standing behind Schaub. We need to get over the fact that he merely wasn't as awful as many anticipated in those first 2 games, basically had a really good seat in the first playoff game to watch the defense destroy the Bengals, and then put his limitations on display for everyone to see vs. the Ravens. While the afterglow of our first playoff birth and win helped many to be content with how our season ended, a much more sober analysis of TJ Yates needs to happen by those paid to evaluate QB play, and tasked with having enough bullets left in the chamber in January to slay the beast (not mere pie eyed hope in August). _________________
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Derek Newton - RT - #75 - Arkansas State
Antoine Caldwell - RG - #62 - Alabama |
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Apollo Stallion
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:58 am Post subject: |
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| TexansFan23 wrote: | | EaglesPeteC wrote: | I thought Mercelious was BPA. In round 1, Kendall Wright was off the board as was all the CB's. I know Reed and Barwin are good pass rushers, but much like the Giants, you don't pass on pass rushers if they are there. I thought he was better value at 26 then Stephen Hill.
As for Nick Toon, there was a run on receivers in the 2nd. I felt like if I didn't grab Toon there the WR's would have been slim.
I like Texans fans. Most of the other teams' fans just called me an idiot and bashed my picks. You guys actually give constructive criticism. |
I think you did a decent job. Knowing who was on the board in the first and second would have helped, though.
I actually like Mercilus, but I agree with others in saying that he's a risky pick. Again, depending on who was there, someone safer might have been better.
I'm not really a huge Toon fan, but I understand the rationale for taking him.
I'm actually on board with Weeden in the fourth. It's good value, and if he were to show something, he could be shipped off for some value.
All in all, not earth-shattering, but not terrible. |
I think Mercilus is risky in the top 10 (like Aldon Smith and Quinn last year), but at #26 he's a totally appropriate balance of risk vs. upside, especially since we don't have a "hole" at the position and can bring him in exclusively in pass rush situations like the 49ers did with Smith last year. Personally, I think he brings as much as Mario did to the position last year without the paycheck or injury concerns. I also don't think he'll be there for us as he is pretty much one of a kind in this draft and I can't imagine a sexy pass rusher falling all the way to 26 since like QBs they tend to go too early vs. lasting late. _________________
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jargin
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| Apollo Stallion wrote: | Considering I think Weeden could go to the Browns at #22 or #37, getting him at #77 would qualify as a massive steal. The Texans absolutely need another QB as unlike the posters here who see TJ managing victories against Atlanta and Cinn, I see a guy who was completely exposed as an imposter against elite defenses like the Ravens, was awful against the Panthers, and got badly outplayed by our former 3rd stringer, Dan Orlavsky, in a loss to the Colts. I like TJ as a developmental guy who eventually can be a halfway decent backup who can manage a game or two when the starter gets hurt, but that noodle arm will never allow him to take the next step like Matt Flynn, Schaub, or others. Weeden essentially comes in a plays the role of veteran backup, and if something blows up with Schaub this year gives us a legit option as a starter this year and beyond. It's never happening in the real world, but there is no way you should be getting any grief about getting a game ready starting QB in the 3rd. At the very least, after a year and some game exposure as a backup I suspect we could spin that pick for a 1st rounder or ditch Yates for a 3rd.
I don't quite understand how Texan fans would be content to be in the same situation as last year where the only thing between us and our first Super Bowl was having nothing better than a 5th round duck launcher and 2 reitrees left standing behind Schaub. We need to get over the fact that he merely wasn't as awful as many anticipated in those first 2 games, basically had a really good seat in the first playoff game to watch the defense destroy the Bengals, and then put his limitations on display for everyone to see vs. the Ravens. While the afterglow of our first playoff birth and win helped many to be content with how our season ended, a much more sober analysis of TJ Yates needs to happen by those paid to evaluate QB play, and tasked with having enough bullets left in the chamber in January to slay the beast (not mere pie eyed hope in August). | Just to add a little bit to this, Yates threw a costly pick 6 against the Falcons in his first start. Lucky for him Dunta Robinson was called for defensive holding negating the play. If that penalty wasn't called I think our immediate impression of Yates would have been vastly different. But since he managed wins over Atlanta and Cincy in his first two starts there was serious hope. People also forget the extremely bad throw Yates made over the middle to Mason against the Bengals the first game that was picked off by Reggie Nelson and set the Bengals up on our side of the field. Even further in the playoff game against Bengals he threw a ball straight into the hands of the strong safety Crocker which could have been a pick 6 if Crocker didn't completely fail in catching it. After review there were some definite mistakes by Yates and a QB pick like Weeden at that point in the draft would be huge value. But like you said, Weeden will probably be gone by the end of day one or the middle of day two. _________________
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