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You have to take one who is it?
Mike McCarthy
27%
 27%  [ 6 ]
Ted Thompson
45%
 45%  [ 10 ]
Cop out: stupid question, mental you know what!
27%
 27%  [ 6 ]
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HUDSONandGRUDEN


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 12:48 am    Post subject: Who would you keep? Reply with quote

I'm new so sorry if this isn't thread worthy, or if people who know football better than me have a clear lean. However, right before the draft everyone kind of gets tired of mocks, and me and my buddy were trying to find something to do tonight, instead we got into this debate: if you could only keep one who would it be Ted Thompson or Mike McCarthy. I know in the end Thompson hired McCarthy, and that hypotheticals' in general are kind of useless, but which one would you want?

The poll is simply a way to frame the question that is bigger than simply two choices: what is more important good talent evaluation or good coaching? Are they inseparable or are they independent of each other? My argument is what is more impressive Thompson's drafts or McCarthy's seasons, and without a doubt I have a lean towards Mike McCarthy. His Super Bowl win, looking back on it, was epic, we had so many injuries. Thompson's decision making on the other hand is bar none some of the best in the NFL. I mean, how many others would have let Favre go? But is Aaron Rodgers more a product of the circumstances that Thompson created, or the work that McCarthy put in (obviously neither had as much to do with it as Rodgers did but you get the question being posed). For me, this team is nothing without McCarthy's offence, and his ability to mold both players and schematics to fit each other. I also think the coaching staff in general is more important than the front office: just look at Collins, Shields, Williams, Jennings, Finley, Sitton or Lang. Some were undrafted some were second round picks, but would any of them been as successful somewhere else? I guess I don't know, just wanted to see what y'all thought!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think this will ever happen, because they've said multiple times that they have a great working relationship. It'd be tough, but ultimately I'd go with Mike McCarthy. Ted Thompson has already said he's not looking to stick here for a long time, so got to go with the investment in Mike McCarthy.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two years ago I would have said Ted.

Right now the pressure is on Mark Murphy to take care of the post-Ted era. Ted is almost 60 and Murph is 56. Mark may get to pick the next GM. I feel pretty good about Alfred E. Murphman, though. I think he'll do fine when the time comes.

I voted MM because I think Ted can be replaced with another good GM more easily than McCarthy can be replaced with another good coach. IMO there are more moving parts to the model of an ideal head coach: knowledge, teaching skill, administrative skills, organizational consistency, instinctive feel for the emotional needs of the team, sexual attraction to feet, game preparation skills, in-game management skills...
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't think this will ever happen, because they've said multiple times that they have a great working relationship


I get that, just more of a hypothetical than anything else.

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IMO there are more moving parts to the model of an ideal head coach: knowledge, teaching skill, administrative skills, organizational consistency, instinctive feel for the emotional needs of the team, sexual attraction to feet, game preparation skills, in-game management skills...


Very Happy especially to the feet thing... I've never understood how a playcaller could make decisions entirely based on how feet... I think I remember him saying something of the sort. But to your point, that was kind of the substance of my argument, especially bringing in a D- coordinator that has the freedom that Capers has.. don't think many coaches would have made a move like that. I think McCarthy has that genius that Holmgren had without the desire to do everything at once...
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:49 am    Post subject: McCarthy Reply with quote

Voted McCarthy. Talent development is more important than talent evaluation IMHO. The draft is a crapshoot, and TT has a good understanding of how to maximize his rolls of the dice. But in the wrong hands, and put in the wrong situations those picks could potentially go to waste.
I think TT has set a precedent for our club in building through the draft and supplementing with value free agents. That being said, it's not exactly a novel idea. Look at Pittsburgh, they don't spend on flashy free agents, they draft shrewdly, and they try and keep their own guys.
Glad we get to keep both though!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HUDSONandGRUDEN wrote:


Very Happy especially to the feet thing...


On the off chance that Coach Ryan read the thread I wanted him to feel that there was at least one thing on the list for him.




HUDSONandGRUDEN wrote:
,,,that was kind of the substance of my argument, especially bringing in a D- coordinator that has the freedom that Capers has.. don't think many coaches would have made a move like that. I think McCarthy has that genius that Holmgren had without the desire to do everything at once...


I agree. And I feel stupid for doubting the guy a few years back, but I only doubted the game management stuff. I still think there may not be a better coach in the 165 hours of the week that aren't game time. Within the game I have wondered, but I think even that is improving with reflection and experience.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Packer history is riddled with decent coaches and horrible GM's so to think one is more important than the other is silly. A couple of bad moves by a GM can mess a team up for years and the coach typically gets the hit first. Give TT credit for not overspending on free agents because that almost always backfires now or down the road.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tough choice but I think I'd go MM. For me it comes down to who I think would replace them. Not sure who would replace MM although in-house I really like Darren Perry's future as a HC. Elliot Wolf would be my number one in-house candidate for GM. I've been a fan for awhile and I'm quite looking forward to seeing what he could do if given the chance.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably go with McCarthy for the long term. Hard decision though and I hope it doesn't come down to that for a while.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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acker history is riddled with decent coaches and horrible GM's so to think one is more important than the other is silly. A couple of bad moves by a GM can mess a team up for years and the coach typically gets the hit first. Give TT credit for not overspending on free agents because that almost always backfires now or down the road.


Definitely agree with this sentiment, I guess I have just seen much more "hype" over what TT has done and less about what MM has done, and I think McCarthy's done a bit more...
But Letting Wahle and Rivera go, Favre and that whole thing, and finding some gems like Finley and Sitton definitely can't be overlooked, he is a great GM
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