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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:03 am    Post subject: Daintrain28's Mock Offseason 2012 v.10.0 Reply with quote

Released/Not resigned/Retired:
~Ryan Grant
~Matt Flynn
~Scott Wells
~Pat Lee

FA signings:
~Jeff Saturday C Indianapolis Colts


~Anthony Harsgrove DE/DT New Orleans Saints


~Daniel Muir DT Indianapolis Colts


The Draft:
With the 28th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the Green Bay Packers select...
Chandler Jones DE/OLB Syracuse
6'5" 266 lbs. 4.85/40


Here's a guy whose draft stock is soaring right now...on the surface, it appears baffling. He had a disappointing combine, however, when I see a prospect rise despite a poor combine, it makes me think the tape on him might just be that good. This guy has all the makings of a guy who doesn't look the best in gym shorts, but strap pads on and he is a force!

He has the physical traits of a great pass rusher, long arms, explosive off the edge and a relentless motor. For those of you who only look at 40 times and us that to determine if a prospect has the tools to play OLB in a 3-4, remember this Jones plays A LOT faster with pads on, is extremely athletic and the Journal Sentinnel confirmed that 3-4 teams are interested in him, and one of those 3-4 teams is the Packers.

It always seems that TT goes the opposite of what everyone is thinking in Round 1, even when we get the position right. Jones is a name I've yet to hear mentioned around here, and that coupled with his athleticism makes him a likely candidate IMO.

With the 56th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the Green Bay Packers select...
Brandon Thompson DT/DE Clemson
6'2" 314 lbs. 5.15/40


We need depth along the DL...badly! Thompson is a rare physical specimen that can play either LDE or NT. He has amazing athleticism for a guy as big as he his, excels at eating up blockers and even from time-to-time, gets to the QB.

With the 94th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the Green Bay Packers select...
Brandon Taylor FS LSU
5'11" 209 lbs. 4.5/40


Quite possibly my favorite prospect in the whole draft! Undervalued as the day is long, but despite being on a defense full of playmakers, he still produced! Made a lot of tackles, was effective on the blitz and can really lay the wood!

A great insurance policy in case Nick Collins isn't the same.

With the 124th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the Green Bay Packers select...
David Molk C Michigan
6'1" 298 lbs. 4.99/50


Quick feet, tremendous athlete and has enough raw talent to take over for Saturday down the road.

With the 129th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the Green Bay Packers select...
Mike Martin DT/DE Michigan
6'1" 306 lbs. 4.84/40


TT is all about value, and Mike Martin is a prospect with A LOT of value. High effort guy, with a relentless motor. Not the sexy pick everyone wants at RDE, but could have diamond-in-the rough written all over him.

In addition, he's a former wrestler who uses leverage very well. Could be a steal this late!

With the 130th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the Green Bay Packers select...
Levy Adcock T Oklahoma State
6'5" 318 lbs. 5.14/40


Played at a high level at Oklahoma St. and has the versatility to play both RT and LT. Struggled with injuries and consistency, but should have time to develop on the bench.

With the 162nd pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the Green Bay Packers select...
Marc Tyler RB USC
5'11" 230 lbs. 4.58/40


As I read people's mock drafts, it seems like everyone is looking for a Darren Sproles type 3rd down back. Too small to carry the load, but explosive as hell and able to do things once they get the ball in their hands. Respectfully, I don't think that's what the Packers' brass is looking for. It seems like they want 3rd down backs who are a little bit thicker, and able to block as a first priority, followed up with an ability to catch the ball outta the backfield.

Tyler has demonstrated an ability to do both, he will challenge Saine for 3rd down back duties.

With the 196th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the Green Bay Packers select...
Janzen Jackson CB/S McNeese State
6'0" 190 lbs. 4.44/40


Versatile, ballhawk and a big hitter. Transferred from Tennessee and has character concerns, but if he grew up, man he'd be something. You get this late in the draft, you're gonna need to take chances in order to find the diamonds in the rough. Jackson could easily be that guy.

With the 230th pick in the NFL Draft, the Green Bay Packers select...
Dominique Davis QB East Carolina
6'3" 215 lbs. 4.70/40


My favorite late-round QB prospect! Prototypical size and arm strength, put up big numbers at ECU and has tremendous athleticism and some pretty darn good accuracy.

An intriguing prospect to mold behind Rodgers and Harrell.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Jones could put on 20 lbs and be a great 5tech as well if we wanted him to.
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I think Jones could put on 20 lbs and be a great 5tech as well if we wanted him to.


Given Jones' athleticism, I think that'd be a waste of his talents. He probably would be effective at DE, but OLB is where he'd be the most effective. Besides, I think Hargrove is a fine option at DE, and Neal and Wynn are both developmental prospects that could be the answer, not to mention Martin.

What do you think about the rest of it?
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Based on players alone it looks great, but I think Martin goes earlier, plus will TT take a character risk like Janzen? Especially after drafting Taylor too?
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JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
Based on players alone it looks great, but I think Martin goes earlier, plus will TT take a character risk like Janzen? Especially after drafting Taylor too?


~Martin is listed as a Round 3-4 guy on most mocks, where do you have him?
~Late in the draft, TT has demonstrated a willingness to gamble on character issues for an individual that might make him look like a genius. Take Deshawn Wynn for example...
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Best mock I have seen top to bottom. Have you seen the arm length on Jones... almost 36 inches... Hard for Olinemen to get on him. He can move well enough in space too. I like him a ton. His brother is one of the best fighters in the world if that gives you an idea of the genetics. His injuries really hurt him this year, and left him under the radar,but he has enormous upside. If we want the big splash, high upside guy this year, He has to be your man! The success of a similar player. JPP may help him a ton come draft day. I absolutely love Thompson, I have him in the mid 20's on my list and love him as a prospect, but he is under the national radar so I'm not sure where his stock is at. Getting a quality S, C, RB that I like would be amazing. Nice work on the mock! I think you set the table perfectly with the first two picks. Both, IMO are going to be considered if on the board at 28. Jones push may move him up to the early 20s by the time this puppy shapes up.
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daintrain28 wrote:
JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
Based on players alone it looks great, but I think Martin goes earlier, plus will TT take a character risk like Janzen? Especially after drafting Taylor too?


~Martin is listed as a Round 3-4 guy on most mocks, where do you have him?
~Late in the draft, TT has demonstrated a willingness to gamble on character issues for an individual that might make him look like a genius. Take Deshawn Wynn for example...


Fair enough

I have Martin as an early-mid 3rd rounder, I just dont see him lasting to the late 4th round
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Overall I kinda like it, but Branch just seems too much of a reach for need. I see him as a mid 2nd prospect. I'm just more a fan of letting the value come to you and I just see that pick as pretty bad value.

I really like Thompson's versatility though and that would be a nice pick up. I'm not to sure about him as a NT, but as a 5 tech and in the 2-4-5 nickle next to Raji, I think he could be a force.

I see what you like in Taylor, he is a violent hitter, I just don't see him as a ballhawk. Part of what is so exciting about a Collins/Burnett S tandem is that they both have good ball skills and range. Taylor seems more of a SS type player. I'd be ok with him in this slot and if everything hit he could add something, just a little different from what I'd have in mind looking for a S.

Im on the same page as you with Molk,. I had him in my first (and so far only) mock in one of the 4th round slots as well. With 2 years to digest the offense and get in an NFL training program, I think he has the tools to develop in to a solid C.

I like Martin, overall, but for Green Bay, I just see him as more of a 1 gap slicer, similar to Corey Williams. I think some team will think alot more of him as a 4-3 UT in a scheme like a Tampa-2 than GB will as a DE. You're right though, at this pick, he'd be probably be decent value either way.

I am not a fan of Adcock at all. He is somewhat versatile, but he doesn't move all that well and I'd be scared of him at T. I also don't know about moving him to G at 6'5". Maybe the coaching staff can develop him, but I don't see a ton of upside.

Simply put I love Tyler for a 3rd down RB. I agree with the thought of a thicker back for much the same reason. A tiny scat back usually doesn't hold up to be a great blocker. I think Tyler could end up being everything they hoped Brandon Jackson would be.

For a late rond flier, Jackson has everything you could hope for in a developmental DB prospect. If he doesn't work, it's a minimal investment, and if he does, he has the natural physical skills to hit big. I like it

Pretty much the same thing with Davis, except the concerns are level of competition rather than character. He needs to work on arm strength, but judging from the growth of Rogers and Flynn's arm strength, that is a small concern.

Yes I was rough on you, but consider it all constructive criticism. Like I said at the top, overall I like it and see what you are going for, just have a different opinion on what that should be in spots.
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All in all, I like this one. More because of the talent than the fits though.

No issue with Jones at 28. Less than ideal fit, but would not fight TT on him being the best grade on the board. High end upside there. Much can be done with that mold also. Just look at how the 49ers used their rookie rusher last year! If he fails, has a big enough frame to pack on some and play the 5 also. Nice prospect!

Thompson is anything but a pass rush machine. But a very solid leverage play that comes to work every day. Just don't think he'll bring much value outside of base. Bull strong though. Can bring ya snaps from base at all three. Great value there also.

I'm not a huge Taylor fan but this is a solid fit and that's about his slot if you want him.

Love both the Michigan kids but Molk is a much better fit IMO. Martin would be better value at that slot though. I'm game on both if you can get them at the right slot.

Adcock can get you out of a game at any of them. Might be an RTO if your looking for a starter though.

Tyler is anything but a good fit IMO.

Jackson might be the 3rd safety on my board if not for the off the field red. I'm sure one of them will take a shot on him before TT. But that young man could be a steal if he figures it all out.

I'm not real high on Davis. But if Mac wanted to work with him I could see why. Kids a mess, but he can spin it.
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palmy50 wrote:
No issue with Jones at 28. Less than ideal fit, but would not fight TT on him being the best grade on the board. High end upside there. Much can be done with that mold also. Just look at how the 49ers used their rookie rusher last year! If he fails, has a big enough frame to pack on some and play the 5 also. Nice prospect!


Ya, as I look at it, not only does Jones fit a need, but he really could be the BPA at #28.

Do you, or anyone else have any beef with Jones? I see a guy who was well on his way to being a Top 10 pick and then the injury happened. I am however concerned with a knee injury, and if there were a concern about this player, to me, that's it.

That said, he could be every bit the player CM3 is, and I think he needs to be his counterpart.

palmy50 wrote:
Thompson is anything but a pass rush machine. But a very solid leverage play that comes to work every day. Just don't think he'll bring much value outside of base. Bull strong though. Can bring ya snaps from base at all three. Great value there also.


Perhaps I've overstated the pass rush thing. I see Thompson as the replacement to Howard Green. He's essentially a younger version, with slightly better pass rushing ability (although his role would be as a space eater).

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I'm not real high on Davis. But if Mac wanted to work with him I could see why. Kids a mess, but he can spin it.


Why do you say he's a mess? I'm just wondering. As I look at late round prospects, to me, this guy seems to have it. Highly accurate, strong arm, and as you said, this guy can 'spin it.'
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spilltray wrote:
Overall I kinda like it, but Branch just seems too much of a reach for need. I see him as a mid 2nd prospect. I'm just more a fan of letting the value come to you and I just see that pick as pretty bad value.

I really like Thompson's versatility though and that would be a nice pick up. I'm not to sure about him as a NT, but as a 5 tech and in the 2-4-5 nickle next to Raji, I think he could be a force.

I see what you like in Taylor, he is a violent hitter, I just don't see him as a ballhawk. Part of what is so exciting about a Collins/Burnett S tandem is that they both have good ball skills and range. Taylor seems more of a SS type player. I'd be ok with him in this slot and if everything hit he could add something, just a little different from what I'd have in mind looking for a S.

Im on the same page as you with Molk,. I had him in my first (and so far only) mock in one of the 4th round slots as well. With 2 years to digest the offense and get in an NFL training program, I think he has the tools to develop in to a solid C.

I like Martin, overall, but for Green Bay, I just see him as more of a 1 gap slicer, similar to Corey Williams. I think some team will think alot more of him as a 4-3 UT in a scheme like a Tampa-2 than GB will as a DE. You're right though, at this pick, he'd be probably be decent value either way.

I am not a fan of Adcock at all. He is somewhat versatile, but he doesn't move all that well and I'd be scared of him at T. I also don't know about moving him to G at 6'5". Maybe the coaching staff can develop him, but I don't see a ton of upside.

Simply put I love Tyler for a 3rd down RB. I agree with the thought of a thicker back for much the same reason. A tiny scat back usually doesn't hold up to be a great blocker. I think Tyler could end up being everything they hoped Brandon Jackson would be.

For a late rond flier, Jackson has everything you could hope for in a developmental DB prospect. If he doesn't work, it's a minimal investment, and if he does, he has the natural physical skills to hit big. I like it

Pretty much the same thing with Davis, except the concerns are level of competition rather than character. He needs to work on arm strength, but judging from the growth of Rogers and Flynn's arm strength, that is a small concern.

Yes I was rough on you, but consider it all constructive criticism. Like I said at the top, overall I like it and see what you are going for, just have a different opinion on what that should be in spots.


No, no, not at all. You know I respect your thoughts, and wanted to hear what you had to say.

I agree with you on Branch, but I put in Chandler Jones, what are your thoughts on him? He's my new obsession, the combo of him and CM3 could easily rival the Kevin Greene-Greg Lloyd combo of the mid 1990's. To me, he's the guy.
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No, no, not at all. You know I respect your thoughts, and wanted to hear what you had to say.

I agree with you on Branch, but I put in Chandler Jones, what are your thoughts on him? He's my new obsession, the combo of him and CM3 could easily rival the Kevin Greene-Greg Lloyd combo of the mid 1990's. To me, he's the guy.


Thats what I get for posting when I can't sleep Smile

Chandler Jones... I just don't know that he is a OLB. You'd think he could from his weight, but I see him as a better fit for putting on a few pounds and being a 4-3 DE. He doesn't seem all that flexible and I'm not a huge fan of OLBs who are basically pass rushers only. Maybe he can do it, but I just see him as a bit too limited for a multiple defense.
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I hate his brother (not Arthur) but love Chandler Jones. Would love him at 28.
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daintrain28 wrote:
No, no, not at all. You know I respect your thoughts, and wanted to hear what you had to say.

I agree with you on Branch, but I put in Chandler Jones, what are your thoughts on him? He's my new obsession, the combo of him and CM3 could easily rival the Kevin Greene-Greg Lloyd combo of the mid 1990's. To me, he's the guy.


Thats what I get for posting when I can't sleep Smile

Chandler Jones... I just don't know that he is a OLB. You'd think he could from his weight, but I see him as a better fit for putting on a few pounds and being a 4-3 DE. He doesn't seem all that flexible and I'm not a huge fan of OLBs who are basically pass rushers only. Maybe he can do it, but I just see him as a bit too limited for a multiple defense.


Well, I'll level, haven't watched too many Syracuse games. However, I do know he's garnering interest from many 3-4 teams.

Initially, I had the same concerns you did, and that was due in large part to his poor 40 time at the combine. However, as I read up on him, the scouting report is that he isn't 100% from his knee injury and that had more to do with his poor 40 time. One of his major strengths listed is his athleticism.
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No issue with Jones at 28. Less than ideal fit, but would not fight TT on him being the best grade on the board. High end upside there. Much can be done with that mold also. Just look at how the 49ers used their rookie rusher last year! If he fails, has a big enough frame to pack on some and play the 5 also. Nice prospect!


Ya, as I look at it, not only does Jones fit a need, but he really could be the BPA at #28.

Do you, or anyone else have any beef with Jones? I see a guy who was well on his way to being a Top 10 pick and then the injury happened. I am however concerned with a knee injury, and if there were a concern about this player, to me, that's it.

That said, he could be every bit the player CM3 is, and I think he needs to be his counterpart.

palmy50 wrote:
Thompson is anything but a pass rush machine. But a very solid leverage play that comes to work every day. Just don't think he'll bring much value outside of base. Bull strong though. Can bring ya snaps from base at all three. Great value there also.


Perhaps I've overstated the pass rush thing. I see Thompson as the replacement to Howard Green. He's essentially a younger version, with slightly better pass rushing ability (although his role would be as a space eater).

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I'm not real high on Davis. But if Mac wanted to work with him I could see why. Kids a mess, but he can spin it.


Why do you say he's a mess? I'm just wondering. As I look at late round prospects, to me, this guy seems to have it. Highly accurate, strong arm, and as you said, this guy can 'spin it.'


Jones length/numbers combo is less than ideal in the 30. But you hit the nail on the head with your last post. Naturally athletic! It all works on a football field. Much like the Packers Finley. Has as much pass rush upside as any in the class and plays point well enough right now. Never going to be a star in coverage, but that can be said for many of them.

As for Davis. Have you ever seen him play? Very pass friendly system there. Don't get held up by the numbers. Game plays VERY fast for him. Happy feet! Ball comes out way low, like sidearm low! I love how he competes, but there is a ton of work to be done there. Mac has fixed those flaws before though. More than anything, the entire process needs to slow down for him. That could take some time.
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