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steelerfreak76 
Joined: 05 Feb 2007 Posts: 493 Location: PA
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| If it's who is the better player, then Mike Wallace is the guy. But if it is who is better for the Steelers, then my vote goes to Antonio Brown. Wallace is a top 10 receiver with unmatched speed, but if he's looking for the type of contract that everyone is saying, then let him walk or trade him away. The Steelers could use that $10 million + a year to lock up players like Pouncey, Brown, and Hood. If they give Wallace the huge contract he is looking for, then you can kiss 1, 2 or possibly all 3 of those players goodbye. |
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Steelers546 
Joined: 19 Dec 2010 Posts: 1601 Location: Pittsburgh
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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Wallace is the better receiver at this point in time, but he's starting to remind me of some of the divas around the league. Probably just because of the whole contract situation, but hey "what have you done for me lately"  _________________
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Josh C Smith 
Joined: 10 Dec 2007 Posts: 1380 Location: Near Pittsburgh
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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Heres a question. Would you rather keep Antonio Brown and sign him now for $6 million a year and get a 1st round draft pick (which we could get if someone tendered Wallace) or keep Mike Wallace for $10 milllion a year and recieve no 1st round pick?
This would be a scenereo we would face if someone tendered Mike Wallace, I think the chances of a team tendering Mike Wallace for a 1st rounder are better (though i think is highly unlikely at this point) than Brown for next year since Mike Wallace is considered better.
Idk I really like Mike Wallace but he relys on his speed so much, and I think if he lost some of that speed due to age or injury he wouldn't be that good. But I could see Antonio Brown still bieng effective with age and injuries because of his good route running abilities. Maybe that's why Mike Wallace is less efective at the end of seasons. Because when his legs get tired and sore with the grind of the season he can't use them as effectivly to go deep. |
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FourThreeMafia 
Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 40095 Location: East of Sixburgh
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Josh C Smith wrote: | Heres a question. Would you rather keep Antonio Brown and sign him now for $6 million a year and get a 1st round draft pick (which we could get if someone tendered Wallace) or keep Mike Wallace for $10 milllion a year and recieve no 1st round pick?
This would be a scenereo we would face if someone tendered Mike Wallace, I think the chances of a team tendering Mike Wallace for a 1st rounder are better (though i think is highly unlikely at this point) than Brown for next year since Mike Wallace is considered better.
Idk I really like Mike Wallace but he relys on his speed so much, and I think if he lost some of that speed due to age or injury he wouldn't be that good. But I could see Antonio Brown still bieng effective with age and injuries because of his good route running abilities. Maybe that's why Mike Wallace is less efective at the end of seasons. Because when his legs get tired and sore with the grind of the season he can't use them as effectivly to go deep. |
No offense, because you do raise some good points, but this is a total crock.
I am really getting tired of people dogging on Wallace because his stats dipped at the end of this season, when the fact is it had much much much more to do with Ben's injuries and inaccurate deep balls. Wallace still got open plenty at the end of the season, but after Ben hurt his foot and then his ankle, he wasnt able to deliver it as accurately and also had to get the ball out quicker because he wasnt able to move around as much. When he did throw downfield to Wallace, he wasnt on point. There were 6 or 7 times that if Ben put a good pass out to Wallace, he wouldve had a big play. There were 2 I recall during the KC game. Wallace had 17 yards that game. If Ben was on point, Wallace wouldve had at least 100 more yards that game and 1 or 2 TDs.
Oh...and Wallace finished both 2009 and 2010 off pretty strong, so Im really not sure where you came up with that piece of fiction. 2010 playoffs he didnt do much, but it had more to do with teams gameplanning to stop him...especially Baltimore, who bracketed him all game to prevent him from burning them. _________________
| cluelessororke wrote: | | I am going to laugh in your face when they don't even sniff WR until day three of the draft |
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at23steelers
Joined: 05 Mar 2011 Posts: 3721 Location: United States
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| @josh: That's a great first point you make, though 43 is right about the other one. I just don't understand why Wallace struggles so much when trying to fight for the ball. Why is Brown much better at it, when he is shorter?? Makes no sense. |
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kethnaab 
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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Wallace has like a 40" vertical leap too. Kinda wasted, because he doesn't fight for the ball.
I worry about his mindset. Ladarius Webb really seemed like he got into his head last season. I hope that was just a "bad day" or something, and it was completely separate from his drop in production. I do think Ben's injury had quite a bit to do with the production drop.
Anyway, we'll see what happens this year. _________________
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treat88 
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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I agree Ben's injury contributed to a part of Wallace's drop in production, but that drop in production really began in week 6...long before Ben's injury.
He posted a good yardage total in week 7, and 7 catches in week 8 but he didn't put the two together from week 6 forward.
Lots of factors likely contribute to that with game context first amongst them, but one of those factors has to be Wallace's own performance.
I just don't think he gets a total pass for the diminished impact he had over the final 10 weeks of the season.
Receiver is an up and down position stats wise, but he averaged 4 catches a game over that span. That's not acceptable for that long from a guy that is supposedly looking at being paid like a true #1. Game plan, game context, Ben being hurt..sure they are all factors, but Wallace is culpable as well.
Just makes me a little skeptical about his future, when I was nothing but optimistic previously.
And that drop in the Denver game...just gross for a player of his caliber. _________________
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kethnaab 
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| treat88 wrote: | | I agree Ben's injury contributed to a part of Wallace's drop in production, but that drop in production really began in week 6...long before Ben's injury. |
I can't fault a dude for games like:
3 rec, 118 yards, 1 TD
7 rec, 70 yards
if either of those games are "down" production, then we may as well go back to week 4.
| treat88 wrote: | He posted a good yardage total in week 7, and 7 catches in week 8 but he didn't put the two together from week 6 forward.
Lots of factors likely contribute to that with game context first amongst them, but one of those factors has to be Wallace's own performance.
I just don't think he gets a total pass for the diminished impact he had over the final 10 weeks of the season.
Receiver is an up and down position stats wise, but he averaged 4 catches a game over that span. That's not acceptable for that long from a guy that is supposedly looking at being paid like a true #1. Game plan, game context, Ben being hurt..sure they are all factors, but Wallace is culpable as well.
Just makes me a little skeptical about his future, when I was nothing but optimistic previously.
And that drop in the Denver game...just gross for a player of his caliber. |
although I agree with most of what you say, I think you're being a bit particular in cutting him off as early in the season as you did. Yes, Ben's foot had nothing to do with his drops, and that's one of the reasons I don't think he's a $10 million/WR, but he is, for the most part, a deep threat. If your QB can't throw deep, you're kinda not so useful. Especially since Arians' WTF offense used him only as a decoy rather than using him to push the cushion back, then 12-15 yard outs that were working so well early on. _________________
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treat88 
Joined: 03 Mar 2006 Posts: 5953
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| kethnaab wrote: | | treat88 wrote: | | I agree Ben's injury contributed to a part of Wallace's drop in production, but that drop in production really began in week 6...long before Ben's injury. |
I can't fault a dude for games like:
3 rec, 118 yards, 1 TD
7 rec, 70 yards
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Totally agree. Just noting that is about when a pattern began to emerge. _________________
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Gunny Highway 
Joined: 30 Apr 2007 Posts: 1353 Location: BLEEDING BLACK AND GOLD
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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Wallace hands down. Brown is still developing but Wallace has made strides each year he has been in league and has a tool Brown will never had ( freakish speed ).
Lets be honest... we need and want both _________________ " Roger Goodell - Ruining the game I love - 1 fine at a time " |
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FourThreeMafia 
Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 40095 Location: East of Sixburgh
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| kethnaab wrote: | | treat88 wrote: | | I agree Ben's injury contributed to a part of Wallace's drop in production, but that drop in production really began in week 6...long before Ben's injury. |
I can't fault a dude for games like:
3 rec, 118 yards, 1 TD
7 rec, 70 yards
if either of those games are "down" production, then we may as well go back to week 4.
| treat88 wrote: | He posted a good yardage total in week 7, and 7 catches in week 8 but he didn't put the two together from week 6 forward.
Lots of factors likely contribute to that with game context first amongst them, but one of those factors has to be Wallace's own performance.
I just don't think he gets a total pass for the diminished impact he had over the final 10 weeks of the season.
Receiver is an up and down position stats wise, but he averaged 4 catches a game over that span. That's not acceptable for that long from a guy that is supposedly looking at being paid like a true #1. Game plan, game context, Ben being hurt..sure they are all factors, but Wallace is culpable as well.
Just makes me a little skeptical about his future, when I was nothing but optimistic previously.
And that drop in the Denver game...just gross for a player of his caliber. |
although I agree with most of what you say, I think you're being a bit particular in cutting him off as early in the season as you did. Yes, Ben's foot had nothing to do with his drops, and that's one of the reasons I don't think he's a $10 million/WR, but he is, for the most part, a deep threat. If your QB can't throw deep, you're kinda not so useful. Especially since Arians' WTF offense used him only as a decoy rather than using him to push the cushion back, then 12-15 yard outs that were working so well early on. |
When the TV deals kick in, players salaries all around the league will jump.
Currently, I wouldnt say Wallace is a $10 mil a year receiver, but I do think 7-8 is very fair value and even 9. But when the new TV deals kick in, I expect his value jumps to 10-12 even if he doesnt improve his stock.
Right now, Id say Wallace is worth what Roddy White got a few years ago...maybe slightly more due to general inflation.
But by next year, like I said...that will jump under the new deals. _________________
| cluelessororke wrote: | | I am going to laugh in your face when they don't even sniff WR until day three of the draft |
Still waiting for your laugh.... |
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Gatoradus
Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Posts: 1991 Location: Virginia Beach, VA
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| I think the outlook on talent comparison is somewhat wrong thing to look at. BOTH will contributes. I feel like its safe to say we should wait until next year, because I think Bruce Arians really messed up us. He playing-called too fitness. At this point big ben is our toughest offensive player and thats not even a good thing. One of biggest question about Todd Haley for me is whether he will bring back the toughness that we missed. Say, if he actually force plyers, mentally to tough up, maybe our offensive o-line wont be too passive... Maybe rashard mendenhall will finally live up to his potential because hes really lacking the toughness? What if every of our wide receivers actually fight for the ball? Right now, I dont think we have specific offensive identity except for the fact that we has a franchise qb. So I wouldnt compare them right now. |
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