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Dirk Gently
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 Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:35 pm Post subject: Broaddus disagrees about Nate Livings |
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http://dcfanaticsblog.wordpress.com/2012/03/22/nate-livings-broaddus-vs-pro-football-focus-lets-get-it-on/
Broaddus went through and took a look at Nate Livings against top players --Calais Campbell, the Ravens (Ngata), the Texans (Watt), and 9ers (Justin Smith) and he sees why Dallas signed him. This was after initially dogging the choice, so it's not like he was looking to apologize.
He also talks up Bernardeau a little bit.
Dallas may really be ok, here... |
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I'm not championing for them, but at one point Holland looked like our best guard. Another year under Nagy and Arkin, brought in two other guys to compete. I just don't see how OG can be any worse them last year.
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This kind of validates my thoughts of us not looking at Offense at 14. I will like our Line if we can nab Konz via trade up at the end of the 1st.
At this point I think 14 is down to Barron, Cox, or Trade Back
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I actually heard him argue live with a guy from Pro Football Talk. He basically said "I watch coaches tape that shows the scheme and assignments and I only watch good vs good (like every scout in the NFL) and Pro Football Talk watches the game tape of evey game"
The guy from Pro Football Talk eventually said that IF the Cowboys can coach the bad out of Livings then they have an exceptional signing.
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| SHSTE92 wrote: | | I'm not championing for them, but at one point Holland looked like our best guard. Another year under Nagy and Arkin, brought in two other guys to compete. I just don't see how OG can be any worse them last year. |
Is that the goal. Not any worse than last year? God forbid we actually protect Romo up the middle, and help open lanes for Murray. What a terrible idea. |
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| GeneralDissaray wrote: | | SHSTE92 wrote: | | I'm not championing for them, but at one point Holland looked like our best guard. Another year under Nagy and Arkin, brought in two other guys to compete. I just don't see how OG can be any worse them last year. |
Is that the goal. Not any worse than last year? God forbid we actually protect Romo up the middle, and help open lanes for Murray. What a terrible idea. |
Exactly. People need to stop having a mindset of "well, as long as we aren't worse than last year" or, "let's bring in another guy to compete", because it means they're accepting the inferior product we currently have. They need to have a mindset of "does this guy, Player X, make this team better than it was last year?" If that answer is "no", "it's negligible", or "he'll compete for a job", then you have the wrong guy. The right guy won't "compete" for the job: he'll take the job from the other players around him, not compete for it. Because better players seize opportunities; they don't compete for them.
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| GeneralDissaray wrote: | | SHSTE92 wrote: | | I'm not championing for them, but at one point Holland looked like our best guard. Another year under Nagy and Arkin, brought in two other guys to compete. I just don't see how OG can be any worse them last year. |
Is that the goal. Not any worse than last year? God forbid we actually protect Romo up the middle, and help open lanes for Murray. What a terrible idea. |
The OLine ranked 15th overall. Far from a disaster. Tyron at LT is a big move and I think Free will bounce back at his original position. Its been widely said by Houck and other scouts the only thing Arkin needs is strength. After using the whole year last year and working out 3 times a day he has built the base and can use the OTAs to add more. I like his potential. The OL dipped after we lost Nagy. I thought he did great for a 7th rd rookie. I don't see the desperation in drafting a OG in the 1st round when there is so much depth in the draft this year. First Rd needs to be for the the Defense either DL or Secondary. I would prefer Cox or Barron. 2nd Rd could be spent DL if we go Barron and in the 3rd we can nab a player like Blake or Brandon Brooks.
If we land Blake he jumps right in to C if we nap Brooks, Bernadeau can play C and play better than Costa.
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| WareWolf94 wrote: | | GeneralDissaray wrote: | | SHSTE92 wrote: | | I'm not championing for them, but at one point Holland looked like our best guard. Another year under Nagy and Arkin, brought in two other guys to compete. I just don't see how OG can be any worse them last year. |
Is that the goal. Not any worse than last year? God forbid we actually protect Romo up the middle, and help open lanes for Murray. What a terrible idea. |
The OLine ranked 15th overall. Far from a disaster. Tyron at LT is a big move and I think Free will bounce back at his original position. Its been widely said by Houck and other scouts the only thing Arkin needs is strength. After using the whole year last year and working out 3 times a day he has built the base and can use the OTAs to add more. I like his potential. The OL dipped after we lost Nagy. I thought he did great for a 7th rd rookie. I don't see the desperation in drafting a OG in the 1st round when there is so much depth in the draft this year. First Rd needs to be for the the Defense either DL or Secondary. I would prefer Cox or Barron. 2nd Rd could be spent DL if we go Barron and in the 3rd we can nab a player like Blake or Brandon Brooks.
If we land Blake he jumps right in to C if we nap Brooks, Bernadeau can play C and play better than Costa. |
There's also a chance that Konz falls to the 2nd round. A number of mocks have him sliding to the 42-50 range for whatever reason. I'm guessing it's because of his injury.
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| plan9misfit wrote: | | WareWolf94 wrote: | | GeneralDissaray wrote: | | SHSTE92 wrote: | | I'm not championing for them, but at one point Holland looked like our best guard. Another year under Nagy and Arkin, brought in two other guys to compete. I just don't see how OG can be any worse them last year. |
Is that the goal. Not any worse than last year? God forbid we actually protect Romo up the middle, and help open lanes for Murray. What a terrible idea. |
The OLine ranked 15th overall. Far from a disaster. Tyron at LT is a big move and I think Free will bounce back at his original position. Its been widely said by Houck and other scouts the only thing Arkin needs is strength. After using the whole year last year and working out 3 times a day he has built the base and can use the OTAs to add more. I like his potential. The OL dipped after we lost Nagy. I thought he did great for a 7th rd rookie. I don't see the desperation in drafting a OG in the 1st round when there is so much depth in the draft this year. First Rd needs to be for the the Defense either DL or Secondary. I would prefer Cox or Barron. 2nd Rd could be spent DL if we go Barron and in the 3rd we can nab a player like Blake or Brandon Brooks.
If we land Blake he jumps right in to C if we nap Brooks, Bernadeau can play C and play better than Costa. |
There's also a chance that Konz falls to the 2nd round. A number of mocks have him sliding to the 42-50 range for whatever reason. I'm guessing it's because of his injury. |
That would be a game changer. Imagine getting him at 45, or even trading up a tad to get him. Seems like a pipe dream, but hey, its the draft.
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Dirk Gently
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| WareWolf94 wrote: |
The OLine ranked 15th overall. Far from a disaster. |
It had it's moments, and the edges, despite Free being a little disappointing, were pretty solid.
The interior was adequate to start, but absolutely *was* a disaster by the time we got to the end of the season. Injuries and some fearful coaching decisions (would like to have seen more of Kowalski, for sure) caused the stretch run to be basically just a bunch of Romo running for his life.
I'm also wondering how someone comes to a "15th" best offensive line decision... based on what? |
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| Dirk Gently wrote: | | WareWolf94 wrote: |
The OLine ranked 15th overall. Far from a disaster. |
It had it's moments, and the edges, despite Free being a little disappointing, were pretty solid.
The interior was adequate to start, but absolutely *was* a disaster by the time we got to the end of the season. Injuries and some fearful coaching decisions (would like to have seen more of Kowalski, for sure) caused the stretch run to be basically just a bunch of Romo running for his life.
I'm also wondering how someone comes to a "15th" best offensive line decision... based on what? |
Pancakes, Sacks Allowed, Run Yardage between the tackles...etc.
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| WareWolf94 wrote: | | Dirk Gently wrote: | | WareWolf94 wrote: |
The OLine ranked 15th overall. Far from a disaster. |
It had it's moments, and the edges, despite Free being a little disappointing, were pretty solid.
The interior was adequate to start, but absolutely *was* a disaster by the time we got to the end of the season. Injuries and some fearful coaching decisions (would like to have seen more of Kowalski, for sure) caused the stretch run to be basically just a bunch of Romo running for his life.
I'm also wondering how someone comes to a "15th" best offensive line decision... based on what? |
Pancakes, Sacks Allowed, Run Yardage between the tackles...etc. |
Doesn't sound like it takes into account qb pressures up the middle. I'm not saying we have to take Decastro. I'm just saying, I don't understand the people that believe we've solidified our interior Oline with Livings and the guy from Carolina. |
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WareWolf94
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| GeneralDissaray wrote: | | WareWolf94 wrote: | | Dirk Gently wrote: | | WareWolf94 wrote: |
The OLine ranked 15th overall. Far from a disaster. |
It had it's moments, and the edges, despite Free being a little disappointing, were pretty solid.
The interior was adequate to start, but absolutely *was* a disaster by the time we got to the end of the season. Injuries and some fearful coaching decisions (would like to have seen more of Kowalski, for sure) caused the stretch run to be basically just a bunch of Romo running for his life.
I'm also wondering how someone comes to a "15th" best offensive line decision... based on what? |
Pancakes, Sacks Allowed, Run Yardage between the tackles...etc. |
Doesn't sound like it takes into account qb pressures up the middle. I'm not saying we have to take Decastro. I'm just saying, I don't understand the people that believe we've solidified our interior Oline with Livings and the guy from Carolina. |
I think the youth behind them solidifies it. I like what Nagy did last year and I think with OTAs and a training program with Arkin will help him with his potential.
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| SHSTE92 wrote: | | I'm not championing for them, but at one point Holland looked like our best guard. Another year under Nagy and Arkin, brought in two other guys to compete. I just don't see how OG can be any worse them last year. |
Holland, after he went to the fat camp, actually played well. |
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| plan9misfit wrote: | | WareWolf94 wrote: | | GeneralDissaray wrote: | | SHSTE92 wrote: | | I'm not championing for them, but at one point Holland looked like our best guard. Another year under Nagy and Arkin, brought in two other guys to compete. I just don't see how OG can be any worse them last year. |
Is that the goal. Not any worse than last year? God forbid we actually protect Romo up the middle, and help open lanes for Murray. What a terrible idea. |
The OLine ranked 15th overall. Far from a disaster. Tyron at LT is a big move and I think Free will bounce back at his original position. Its been widely said by Houck and other scouts the only thing Arkin needs is strength. After using the whole year last year and working out 3 times a day he has built the base and can use the OTAs to add more. I like his potential. The OL dipped after we lost Nagy. I thought he did great for a 7th rd rookie. I don't see the desperation in drafting a OG in the 1st round when there is so much depth in the draft this year. First Rd needs to be for the the Defense either DL or Secondary. I would prefer Cox or Barron. 2nd Rd could be spent DL if we go Barron and in the 3rd we can nab a player like Blake or Brandon Brooks.
If we land Blake he jumps right in to C if we nap Brooks, Bernadeau can play C and play better than Costa. |
There's also a chance that Konz falls to the 2nd round. A number of mocks have him sliding to the 42-50 range for whatever reason. I'm guessing it's because of his injury. |
so your saying there a chance we get "Cox" then "Peter"????  |
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