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Sandybaby716
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of the aforementioned players, here's how I'd rank em.
The Players:
Ingram
Upshaw
The Good Ol' Boys:
Branch
Mercilus
The Try Hards:
McClellan
Curry
The Soggy Bottom Boys:
Perry
Lewis
Irvin
The Players I feel are studly and wont last to us. The good ol' boys may be available at our pick and would be good value. The try hards may be available at our second, and have high motors that often come in handy with pass rushers. The soggy bottom boys are guys who I don't think will pan out in a 3-4 (or at all).
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pollino14
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Lot of love for Ingram... Can anyone elaborate.
My top 3 are Perry, Upshaw and Mercuiles. Id be THRILLED with any
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msmre
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Tier One:
Ingram
Ingram is probably a top 15 candidate in most drafts. Technique, size, and athleticism are really solid. Good motor. I don't love the body at OLB, but he makes it stick.
Tier Two:
Hightower
Upshaw
McClellin
I think that Hightower and McClellin are two guys who mitigate much of the risk at OLB by being experienced playing on their feet and being really solid athletes. Upshaw is a player. I don't love his body and I really don't love his feet, but he manages to make it happen at every turn. A guy that make his role on your team. All three could be there at 28 or none of them.
Tier Three:
Mercilus
Perry
Branch
Lewis
Oddly, three of the four here could go before the tier above. I have no faith that Mercilus or Perry can stand up and give quality snaps at OLB in year 1. Branch, I have fewer concerns about OLB snaps, but his pass rush skills are far behind Mercilis and Perry. I feel like Lewis, if he had an ounce of sense could be one of the tier two guys, but is dumb as a brick and that will hurt him. Still, all of these guys would make the D better, just not sure by how much or how much more than tier 4.
Tier Four:
Curry
Irvin
Curry is gritty and productive, but limited in everything, but chasing. Irvin has tons of red flags, but is about what you look for physically when drawing up the position. Neither of these guys are on my list of those I'd draft, but both could help.
Tier Five:
Jones
Johnson
I would not take a second look at either of these guys. Jones is not a rusher, not does he drop well. What do you have left at that point. Erik Walden. Johnson is a paper tiger. He wilted with intense coaching in the post-season. That won't stick with Kevin Greene coaching you up. He would absolute melt with KG in his face.
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Sandybaby716
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| pollino14 wrote: | Lot of love for Ingram... Can anyone elaborate.
My top 3 are Perry, Upshaw and Mercuiles. Id be THRILLED with any |
The way I see it, Ingram is one of those rare players who have an extremely high motor, great athleticism, and great character. He has the tools you look for with the drive to succeed. His only downside is he's a little low on length, but he makes up for it.
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PacAttack04
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| msmre wrote: | | I have no faith that Mercilus or Perry can stand up and give quality snaps at OLB in year 1 |
I was wondering, though you dont think Mercilus could stand up and give quality snaps day one at OLB, do you think that it is something he could develop into? I don't think Perry can ever be great at dropping back, but Mercilus I feel could with coaching. And even if he can't stand up right away, couldn't he be used like Aldon Smith year one? Smith was a rotational guy, but still made an impact on that defense in the nickel package despite limited coverage ability. Short term, he may be a situational player, but his situational snaps would be valuable. Do you think long term, he could play well on his feet?
EDIT: Just to add.
http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/2011/05/inside-the-49ers/grab-bag-the-capers-connection-to-the-49ers-staff/
Im sure there are some differences as each of these two DCs defenses have evolved over the years, but there still might be enough similarities where it might work for Mercilus in an Aldon Smith role. |
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msmre
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| PacAttack04 wrote: | | msmre wrote: | | I have no faith that Mercilus or Perry can stand up and give quality snaps at OLB in year 1 |
I was wondering, though you dont think Mercilus could stand up and give quality snaps day one at OLB, do you think that it is something he could develop into? I don't think Perry can ever be great at dropping back, but Mercilus I feel could with coaching. And even if he can't stand up right away, couldn't he be used like Aldon Smith year one? Smith was a rotational guy, but still made an impact on that defense in the nickel package despite limited coverage ability. Short term, he may be a situational player, but his situational snaps would be valuable. Do you think long term, he could play well on his feet?
EDIT: Just to add.
http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/2011/05/inside-the-49ers/grab-bag-the-capers-connection-to-the-49ers-staff/
Im sure there are some differences as each of these two DCs defenses have evolved over the years, but there still might be enough similarities where it might work for Mercilus in an Aldon Smith role. |
I am not sure that Mercilus is anything more than a DE in year one. He has such little experience that his 2011 production scares me a little. He is a one year starter with little power in his game. His frame looks a little maxed out. To me, we see a lot of these types of guys every year and they rarely turn out. I just see a down year in Big Ten OL and I wonder how much Mercilus is really capable of when facing NFL linemen.
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palmy50
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| msmre wrote: | Tier One:
Ingram
Ingram is probably a top 15 candidate in most drafts. Technique, size, and athleticism are really solid. Good motor. I don't love the body at OLB, but he makes it stick.
Tier Two:
Hightower
Upshaw
McClellin
I think that Hightower and McClellin are two guys who mitigate much of the risk at OLB by being experienced playing on their feet and being really solid athletes. Upshaw is a player. I don't love his body and I really don't love his feet, but he manages to make it happen at every turn. A guy that make his role on your team. All three could be there at 28 or none of them.
Tier Three:
Mercilus
Perry
Branch
Lewis
Oddly, three of the four here could go before the tier above. I have no faith that Mercilus or Perry can stand up and give quality snaps at OLB in year 1. Branch, I have fewer concerns about OLB snaps, but his pass rush skills are far behind Mercilis and Perry. I feel like Lewis, if he had an ounce of sense could be one of the tier two guys, but is dumb as a brick and that will hurt him. Still, all of these guys would make the D better, just not sure by how much or how much more than tier 4.
Tier Four:
Curry
Irvin
Curry is gritty and productive, but limited in everything, but chasing. Irvin has tons of red flags, but is about what you look for physically when drawing up the position. Neither of these guys are on my list of those I'd draft, but both could help.
Tier Five:
Jones
Johnson
I would not take a second look at either of these guys. Jones is not a rusher, not does he drop well. What do you have left at that point. Erik Walden. Johnson is a paper tiger. He wilted with intense coaching in the post-season. That won't stick with Kevin Greene coaching you up. He would absolute melt with KG in his face. |
For the Packers I think that's about right. Though the grade on Jones might push him past a few of the better fits. Perry might be at the bottom of that tier for me as well. Have a very hard time with that young man in the fit.
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MantyWrestler
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| palmy50 wrote: | | msmre wrote: | Tier One:
Ingram
Ingram is probably a top 15 candidate in most drafts. Technique, size, and athleticism are really solid. Good motor. I don't love the body at OLB, but he makes it stick.
Tier Two:
Hightower
Upshaw
McClellin
I think that Hightower and McClellin are two guys who mitigate much of the risk at OLB by being experienced playing on their feet and being really solid athletes. Upshaw is a player. I don't love his body and I really don't love his feet, but he manages to make it happen at every turn. A guy that make his role on your team. All three could be there at 28 or none of them.
Tier Three:
Mercilus
Perry
Branch
Lewis
Oddly, three of the four here could go before the tier above. I have no faith that Mercilus or Perry can stand up and give quality snaps at OLB in year 1. Branch, I have fewer concerns about OLB snaps, but his pass rush skills are far behind Mercilis and Perry. I feel like Lewis, if he had an ounce of sense could be one of the tier two guys, but is dumb as a brick and that will hurt him. Still, all of these guys would make the D better, just not sure by how much or how much more than tier 4.
Tier Four:
Curry
Irvin
Curry is gritty and productive, but limited in everything, but chasing. Irvin has tons of red flags, but is about what you look for physically when drawing up the position. Neither of these guys are on my list of those I'd draft, but both could help.
Tier Five:
Jones
Johnson
I would not take a second look at either of these guys. Jones is not a rusher, not does he drop well. What do you have left at that point. Erik Walden. Johnson is a paper tiger. He wilted with intense coaching in the post-season. That won't stick with Kevin Greene coaching you up. He would absolute melt with KG in his face. |
For the Packers I think that's about right. Though the grade on Jones might push him past a few of the better fits. Perry might be at the bottom of that tier for me as well. Have a very hard time with that young man in the fit. |
I don't know. Perry might be a DE in the NFL, watch him get to the QB often with his hand down or in a 2 point stance in college and I see a real good rusher.
Mercilus has to be a OLB. Watch the tape of him against Wisconsin while playing DE. He got man handled almost the whole game; but for a couple plays when he got a sack, the Badgers pushed him wherever they wanted to. |
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msmre
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| MantyWrestler wrote: |
Mercilus has to be a OLB. Watch the tape of him against Wisconsin while playing DE. He got man handled almost the whole game; but for a couple plays when he got a sack, the Badgers pushed him wherever they wanted to. |
That doesn't mean that he has to be an OLB. It means that he isn't a point player right now. Which means that he can't play on rushing downs regardless of position.
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PackFan4Life
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| I have a hard time understanding the rumored interest the Pack has in Jones. I do not see it right now. Can someone please help me see what the Pack is rumored to see in him? I see a guy that has a lot of work to do in point play in particular and I see a very lanky guy that is a bit more of a project that needs to be filled out more than anything. |
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msmre
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| PackFan4Life wrote: | | I have a hard time understanding the rumored interest the Pack has in Jones. I do not see it right now. Can someone please help me see what the Pack is rumored to see in him? I see a guy that has a lot of work to do in point play in particular and I see a very lanky guy that is a bit more of a project that needs to be filled out more than anything. |
Indeed. I see a lot of red flags. Can't rush. Can't play point. His length is wasted by the fact that he stands up at the snap on nearly every down that I watched him.
Really reminds me of Manny Lawson, but slower.
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PackFan4Life
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| msmre wrote: | | PackFan4Life wrote: | | I have a hard time understanding the rumored interest the Pack has in Jones. I do not see it right now. Can someone please help me see what the Pack is rumored to see in him? I see a guy that has a lot of work to do in point play in particular and I see a very lanky guy that is a bit more of a project that needs to be filled out more than anything. |
Indeed. I see a lot of red flags. Can't rush. Can't play point. His length is wasted by the fact that he stands up at the snap on nearly every down that I watched him.
Really reminds me of Manny Lawson, but slower. |
I hope the rumored interest and hard look the Pack was giving Jones got them to this conclusion as well because I would be extremely skeptical if they took him anywhere in the first four rounds!!! |
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palmy50
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I feel there is a good chance Jones high board comes with his hand in the dirt. But that's a damn fine prospect if ya ask me. Not sure there is a way his slot could fit the Packers board though. He is going to go high enough and that Packers fit is less than ideal. That kids upside is very high end though. Just needs a ton of work. Can do some things with him you can't with a few others in this rush-lb class. More so about if you want those things in your defensive pack. Just look at how the 49ers used their rookie rusher last year. That young man took a ton of rush reps from DT last year.
With a open mind there is much that can be done with a talent like Jones in a 30 front. Sadly, there is much that will need to be masked as well and I'm not sure that's what you want in round one. Not sure I would cry over the idea though. His upside at point and in the pass rush are a click above most in the class.
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I think we can use a 3rd and 6th and sure up the position
get Irvin to rush the passer in the 3rd, and I think Corderro Law will be there in the 6th, will be a steal and can be a great 1st and 2nd down OLB. |
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| Trade for Wake if Miami won't pay him? |
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