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BrJM17co
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 Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:16 pm Post subject: .this mock draft is bringing sexy back. |
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I said I wanted to do 1 mock draft. This is it. I feel I'm the only one that feels comfortable drafting WR in the first.
Our hole a DT is obvious, glaring. But, I feel the value of WR in the first with Manning on the roster trumps the value of a DT in the first. I believe we can get an impact DT in the second and more D-line help with our 4th Rounders.
Manning is by far our biggest investment. It would be foolish not to continue to surround him with weapons. Stewart and Hill will round out an explosive offense. You can't really deny that.
DEN trades 3rd Rd Pick and a 2013 conditional 4th Rd Pick to CAR for HB Jonathan Stewart.
DEN trades 2012 6th Rd pick and 2013 6th Rd pick to move back into 5th Rd to snag Saulsberry.
DEN trades HB Knowshon Moreno to CIN for OLB Keith Rivers (DJ Williams suspension)
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DEN signs DT Aubrayo Franklin (Releases CB Andre Goodman)
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Are the Bengals looking to move Rivers?
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I think we got lucky with Demaryius to be honest. He had the ability to be a good route runner to add onto his god given ability. He just wasn't asked to run all those routes in college.
I think Stephen Hill is much more raw than DT. And DT was pretty raw. It wouldn't shock me if he followed in Megatron and DT's steps, It's just I think it will be tougher on him then it was for those 2.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 1:03 am Post subject: |
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| Russell2Bailey wrote: | I think we got lucky with Demaryius to be honest. He had the ability to be a good route runner to add onto his god given ability. He just wasn't asked to run all those routes in college.
I think Stephen Hill is much more raw than DT. And DT was pretty raw. It wouldn't shock me if he followed in Megatron and DT's steps, It's just I think it will be tougher on him then it was for those 2. |
Agreed he is too raw, probably wouldn't make an impact for a year or two. |
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BrJM17co
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 1:53 am Post subject: |
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| PackAtBroncos07 wrote: | | Are the Bengals looking to move Rivers? |
| Quote: | The other concern for Rivers is Thomas Howard, who took over his spot and ended up leading the team in tackles. With the play of Howard, who Lewis called one of the more athletic linebackers he has coached, there remains a possibility that Rivers could be released.
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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/18333977/bengals-want-an-upgrade-at-linebacker
I figured they need a HB, we need a LB. We both have often-injured, 1st Rd picks. A swap seems like a great idea, rather than just out-right releasing either player.
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BrJM17co
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 1:57 am Post subject: |
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| Russell2Bailey wrote: | I think we got lucky with Demaryius to be honest. He had the ability to be a good route runner to add onto his god given ability. He just wasn't asked to run all those routes in college.
I think Stephen Hill is much more raw than DT. And DT was pretty raw. It wouldn't shock me if he followed in Megatron and DT's steps, It's just I think it will be tougher on him then it was for those 2. |
Yeah. I got you. Just looking at his highlights (which are few) and his speed and size are just insane. I figure we need a WR that 'stretches' the field. He just seemed like a good fit, seeing that Mike Wallace seems to want to stay put in Pitt by asking for such a ridiculous contract we obviously can't afford.
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dbronx42
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Not a fan of Hill at all... He is a poor mans Demaryius Thomas. And that's being generous. I am also against taking a WR in the first round.
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| dbronx42 wrote: | | Not a fan of Hill at all... He is a poor mans Demaryius Thomas. And that's being generous. I am also against taking a WR in the first round. |
| Russell2Bailey wrote: | I think we got lucky with Demaryius to be honest. He had the ability to be a good route runner to add onto his god given ability. He just wasn't asked to run all those routes in college.
I think Stephen Hill is much more raw than DT. And DT was pretty raw. It wouldn't shock me if he followed in Megatron and DT's steps, It's just I think it will be tougher on him then it was for those 2. |
That's why I have been saying in another thread: one absolutely has to consider Hill, based on his potential alone. If he has shown that he can grasp what will be asked of him at the pro level, consider him even more. A healthy Thomas and Hill on the other side would be deadly. Hill is boom or bust just as Thomas was. However, the value late in the first is definately there. Have Decker then work out of the slot and let him step into Stokley's/Collie's shoes.
The only reason why I wouldn't like us drafting Hill in the first is that RB is more of an offensive need. If we drafted Hill in the first and a DT in the second, I doubt that the likes of Miller, James, Martin and Polk would still be around.
Hence, I'd go DT, RB, CB/WR or RB (if Martin is there), DT, DT, CB/WR. I know value and not to reach is important, so that's just a theoretical order for a picture perfect (unlikely) draft.
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BroncosFan2010
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Here is my problem with Hill.
His primary talent is straight ahead speed, a vertical threat.
Peyton's primary talent is his insane accuracy in regards to timing routes.
A guy like Hill can not run a timing route.
A guy like Hill isnt a great fit.
I think it would make far more sense to target a guy like Ryan Broyles, Jarius Wright and Devon Wiley. |
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Army
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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| BroncosFan2010 wrote: | Here is my problem with Hill.
His primary talent is straight ahead speed, a vertical threat.
Peyton's primary talent is his insane accuracy in regards to timing routes.
A guy like Hill can not run a timing route.
A guy like Hill isnt a great fit.
I think it would make far more sense to target a guy like Ryan Broyles, Jarius Wright and Devon Wiley. |
Here's what one of the sites says about Hill. "Has been asked to work from the slot, but seemed to round off/drift in and out of his breaks. And isn't real sharp or sudden in that area of the game. Watching his short area quickness and body control for a big guy he looks like he can certainly develop in the three-step game and has the skill set to be able to beat press coverage off the line. Is a strong blocker and will get after it in the run game."
Hill can be taught to run crisper routes. But there is one thing that can't be taught to any WR, and that is 4.3 speed on a 6-4, 225 frame. That is God-given. I love the guy because he is an athletic freak who was under-utilized in College as a WR, but WAS used as a blocker. So, I would say he is a "hard-nosed" player who has incredible upside. Do you take a chance when you Draft a guy like this? Sure, but we're Drafting at 25 so they will all be chances at that pick. I guess it all depends on your "risk/reward" equation when it comes to Hill, and where you have him on your board.
So, I agree with BroncoinGermany. You have to take a very close look at a guy who might have been a Top 10 pick if it weren't for the scheme at Georgia Tech. |
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Cut-2-Marsh
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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| BroncosFan2010 wrote: | Here is my problem with Hill.
His primary talent is straight ahead speed, a vertical threat.
Peyton's primary talent is his insane accuracy in regards to timing routes.
A guy like Hill can not run a timing route.
A guy like Hill isnt a great fit.
I think it would make far more sense to target a guy like Ryan Broyles, Jarius Wright and Devon Wiley. |
I'm not saying we should draft him, but this sounds exactly like what they said about Bay Bay and CJ. I have respect for all three of those guys for going out there and doing what their coach asked them to do.
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