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Which One is Better?

Ben Roethlisberger

61%

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Phillip Rivers

38%

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AmerigoCorleone

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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 4:30 pm Post subject: Ben Roethlisberger vs. Phillip Rivers

Here is how they compare to each other statistically.

AmerigoCorleone wrote:

Fun fact:

This is Ben Roethsliberger's and Phillip Rivers' averages throughout a 16 game regular season.

Ben Roethlisberger:

Completion %: 63.1
Yards: 3862.9
Touchdowns: 25.1
Interceptions: 14.0
Y/A: 8.0
Y/C: 12.7
QB Rating: 92.1

Phillip Rivers:

Completion %: 63.5
Yards: 3933.3
Touchdowns: 26.6
Interceptions: 12.5
Y/A: 8.0
Y/C: 12.6
QB Rating: 95.5

This is Ben Roethsliberger's and Phillip Rivers' averages throughout the postseason translated into 16 games.

Ben Roethlisberger:

Completion %: 60.6
Yards: 3832.0
Touchdowns: 26.3
Interceptions: 19.4
Y/A: 7.7
Y/C: 12.7
QB Rating: 83.7

Phillip Rivers:

Completion %: 58.5
Yards: 4201.1
Touchdowns: 20.6
Interceptions: 20.6
Y/A: 8.0
Y/C: 13.6
QB Rating: 79.2

It's pretty close don't you think?
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JaguarCrazy2832

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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 4:43 pm Post subject:

It is VERY close, didnt realize it was that close. The TD-INT ratio in the playoffs is the difference maker
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Jous7

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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 4:43 pm Post subject:

I'm a Steelers fan, but I have no guilt in saying I'd want Roethlisberger. I think he's on the same level as Brady and Eli Manning in terms of having total confidence that in the biggest situations, he's going to make the play an inordinately large amount of times. They may have been in the Superbowl this year again had the defense not blown the game after his late drives to tie/lead against Baltimore and Denver.

NoHypeNeeded

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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 5:17 pm Post subject:

^Exactly. Stats don't measure confidence, awareness, poise, and the clutch factor. Eli and Ben have that and have proven it, Rivers hasn't at all.

Regardless, it's Ben for me.
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JammerHammer21

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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 5:26 pm Post subject:

NoHypeNeeded wrote:

^Exactly. Stats don't measure confidence, awareness, poise, and the clutch factor. Eli and Ben have that and have proven it, Rivers hasn't at all.

Regardless, it's Ben for me.

Well, you're wrong, but ok. Laughing

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Lombardi - Isn't that the guy the trophy is named after? If so, top 3 coach of all time.

NoHypeNeeded

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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 5:27 pm Post subject:

JammerHammer21 wrote:

NoHypeNeeded wrote:

^Exactly. Stats don't measure confidence, awareness, poise, and the clutch factor. Eli and Ben have that and have proven it, Rivers hasn't at all.

Regardless, it's Ben for me.

Well, you're wrong, but ok. Laughing

Uhm, okay.. you're right, their "stats" show they've won 2 SBs and Rivers hasn't done anything close. Good point. Rolling Eyes

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JammerHammer21

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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 5:42 pm Post subject:

NoHypeNeeded wrote:

JammerHammer21 wrote:

NoHypeNeeded wrote:

^Exactly. Stats don't measure confidence, awareness, poise, and the clutch factor. Eli and Ben have that and have proven it, Rivers hasn't at all.

Regardless, it's Ben for me.

Well, you're wrong, but ok. Laughing

Uhm, okay.. you're right, their "stats" show they've won 2 SBs and Rivers hasn't done anything close. Good point. Rolling Eyes

Their stats show that? Really? Didn't know winning a Super Bowl was a single man stat. Rolling Eyes

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Bohlmann20 (On The 95 Cleveland Browns Staff) wrote:

Lombardi - Isn't that the guy the trophy is named after? If so, top 3 coach of all time.

AmerigoCorleone

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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 5:45 pm Post subject:

JammerHammer21 wrote:

NoHypeNeeded wrote:

JammerHammer21 wrote:

NoHypeNeeded wrote:

^Exactly. Stats don't measure confidence, awareness, poise, and the clutch factor. Eli and Ben have that and have proven it, Rivers hasn't at all.

Regardless, it's Ben for me.

Well, you're wrong, but ok. :lol:

Uhm, okay.. you're right, their "stats" show they've won 2 SBs and Rivers hasn't done anything close. Good point. :roll:

Their stats show that? Really? Didn't know winning a Super Bowl was a single man stat. :roll:

Look at the stats I posted above. It doesn't exactly scream "OMG Phillip Rivers is better".

In fact it's so close it's a wash unless you consider the postseason in which Ben Roethlisberger has outperformed Phillip Rivers considerably.
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JammerHammer21

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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 5:51 pm Post subject:

AmerigoCorleone wrote:

JammerHammer21 wrote:

NoHypeNeeded wrote:

JammerHammer21 wrote:

NoHypeNeeded wrote:

^Exactly. Stats don't measure confidence, awareness, poise, and the clutch factor. Eli and Ben have that and have proven it, Rivers hasn't at all.

Regardless, it's Ben for me.

Well, you're wrong, but ok. Laughing

Uhm, okay.. you're right, their "stats" show they've won 2 SBs and Rivers hasn't done anything close. Good point. Rolling Eyes

Their stats show that? Really? Didn't know winning a Super Bowl was a single man stat. Rolling Eyes

I didn't say it does. I think Ben, Rivers, and Eli are all close. Do I think Rivers is best? Yes. Do I think its "not close"? Not really. Do I think Rivers has been treated fairly after having one down season? Not at all
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Bohlmann20 (On The 95 Cleveland Browns Staff) wrote:

Lombardi - Isn't that the guy the trophy is named after? If so, top 3 coach of all time.

NoHypeNeeded

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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 5:54 pm Post subject:

JammerHammer21 wrote:

NoHypeNeeded wrote:

JammerHammer21 wrote:

NoHypeNeeded wrote:

^Exactly. Stats don't measure confidence, awareness, poise, and the clutch factor. Eli and Ben have that and have proven it, Rivers hasn't at all.

Regardless, it's Ben for me.

Well, you're wrong, but ok. Laughing

Uhm, okay.. you're right, their "stats" show they've won 2 SBs and Rivers hasn't done anything close. Good point. Rolling Eyes

Their stats show that? Really? Didn't know winning a Super Bowl was a single man stat. Rolling Eyes

This guy just completely misses the point.. Laughing

Eli and Ben both showed up clutch for their team in the biggest situations.. I originally said that that factor wasn't measured by stats.. to which you said I'm wrong. I then went with "Okay, he wants to be stupid, so I'll just throw the obv at him".. to which you through something pretty obv to me. Props.. but again, I stand by what I said.. the poise and confidence both Eli/Ben have displayed can't be contained in the stats (namely the ones the OP posted) and are valid displays of why they are better than Rivers. The confidence/poise/clutch factor is just something Rivers hasn't shown. And yes, when you get to the gritty of the 'stats', Ben has been better when it counts and obviously has the proof.
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JammerHammer21

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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:23 pm Post subject:

NoHypeNeeded wrote:

JammerHammer21 wrote:

NoHypeNeeded wrote:

JammerHammer21 wrote:

NoHypeNeeded wrote:

^Exactly. Stats don't measure confidence, awareness, poise, and the clutch factor. Eli and Ben have that and have proven it, Rivers hasn't at all.

Regardless, it's Ben for me.

Well, you're wrong, but ok. Laughing

Uhm, okay.. you're right, their "stats" show they've won 2 SBs and Rivers hasn't done anything close. Good point. Rolling Eyes

Their stats show that? Really? Didn't know winning a Super Bowl was a single man stat. Rolling Eyes

This guy just completely misses the point.. Laughing

Really? Rivers hasn't shown confidence, poise, or clutchness because he hasn't been to the SB? That's what you seem to be saying. I love how people say something like. Sorry Rivers has never had a good enough TEAM to make it to the Super Bowl. Rolling Eyes

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Lombardi - Isn't that the guy the trophy is named after? If so, top 3 coach of all time.

Onyxmeth

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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:45 pm Post subject:

JammerHammer21 wrote:

I think Rivers gets so much put down about postseason failure because it was considered he did in fact QB a stacked team. The Chargers were preseason favorites multiple years. There were years they were loaded with Pro Bowlers and All Pros. Years they had top seeds going into the playoffs. In 2006 the only thing that held SD back from winning the Super Bowl, or at least a playoff game for that matter was Rivers' complete lame duck performance. In fact his playoff numbers take a huge dive from his regular season numbers, so in essence he's very much to blame for his team's post season failings. It isn't like Rivers is throwing out elite numbers or even great numbers in the playoffs and his team has failed him time and time again. Rivers has personally played worse, and shouldn't shoulder all of the blame, but should accept his fair share of it.
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Pugger

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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:50 pm Post subject:

Oh lord, here we go...
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JammerHammer21

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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:54 pm Post subject:

Onyxmeth wrote:

JammerHammer21 wrote:

But expecting Rivers to have done greatly in the postseason in 06 would have been insane. He was at that point a game manager for the most part. The main problem in 06 was Marty deciding to make Rivers throw, not run LT (not to mention some idiots who decided to do some dumb stuff like fumbling a ball you just picked off, dropping an easy int, etc).

In 07, he was playing without an ACL. Really hard to have imagined us winning that game. MAYBE if he was healthy. In 08, Pittsburgh just manhandled us. He had a pick that was literally 3 inches from hitting the ground and that was the only time he got the the ball in the entire third quarter. Laughing

In 09, he had two picks, but one was the freakish Revis int and the other really was a bad decision. But Kaeding missed three FGs (yes I understand one was from a large distance). And in 2010, he played lights out.... and yet our special teams decided to give a few games away. This past season he did not play as well as normal.... but something was very very very off. His passes were just sailing and he looked really uncomfortable.

Until December that is when he started playing like the old Rivers (Detroit wasn't great but Avril had an amazing one handed pick) and his deep ball looked great again. I certainly think he was injured at some point because he was looking extremely good in the preseason, then something was off during the early-middle part of the season.
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Bohlmann20 (On The 95 Cleveland Browns Staff) wrote:

Lombardi - Isn't that the guy the trophy is named after? If so, top 3 coach of all time.

NoHypeNeeded

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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 7:35 pm Post subject:

Onyxmeth wrote:

JammerHammer21 wrote:

Exactly this, well said.

I wasn't basing it off his inability to simply win a SB, it's the fact that he barely ever got close to one despite his regular season elite stats and pretty freaking good teams that he's been on with those Chargers over the years. They have been favorites to rep the AFC in the Superbowl ATLEAST twice in the last 6-7 years. He has done tremendous in the regular season and is pretty good.. however, he has yet to prove in the post season that he can take over and win it for his team, have the poise, the look, and feel of what Ben, Brady, Eli have done. That's why he isn't in their category, and certainly IMO, isn't better than them.
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