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LoverInTheCold
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| Eric dunn wrote: | | Litc i think you forgot about Trent Williams for the Redskins. |
thank you, I'll fix it!
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LoverInTheCold
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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here are the WRs:
List of WRs by draft position:
Arizona Cardinals:
Larry Fitzgerald (1)
Atlanta Falcons:
Roddy White (1)
Baltimore Ravens:
Anquan Boldin (2)
Torrey Smith (2)
Buffalo Bills:
Steve Johnson (7)
Carolina Panthers:
Steve Smith (3)
Chicago Bears:
Brandon Marshall (4)
Cincinnati Bengals:
AJ Green (1)
Cleveland Browns:
Greg Little (2)
Dallas Cowboys:
Dez Bryant (1)
Mile Austin (UDFA)
Denver Broncos:
Demaryius Thomas (1)
Detroit Lions:
Calvin Johnson (1)
Green Bay Packers:
Jordy Nelson (2)
Greg Jennings (2)
Houston Texans:
Andre Johnson (1)
Indianapolis Colts:
Reggie Wayne (1)
Jacksonville Jaguars:
Mike Thomas (4)
Kansas City Chiefs:
Dwayne Bowe (1)
Miami Dolphins:
Davone Bess (UDFA)
Brian Hartline (4)
Minnesota Vikings:
Percy Harvin (1)
New England Patriots:
Wes Welker (UDFA)
New Orleans Saints:
Marques Colston (7)
New York Giants:
Victor Cruz (UDFA)
Hakeem Nicks (1)
New York Jets:
Santonio Holmes (1)
Oakland Raiders:
Darius Heyward Bey (1)
Philadelphia Eagles:
DeSean Jackson (2)
Jeremy Maclin (1)
Pittsburgh Steelers:
Mike Wallace (3)
San Diego Chargers:
Malcolm Floyd (UDFA)
San Francisco 49ers:
Michael Crabtree (1)
Seattle Seahawks:
Sidney Rice (2)
St. Louis Rams:
Brandon Gibson (6)
Tampa Bay Buccaneers:
Vincent Jackson (2)
Tennessee Titans:
Kenny Britt (1)
Nate Washington (UDFA)
Washington Redskins:
Pierre Garcon (6)
I did these fast, so let me know if a correction needs to be made.
On teams where it was too hard to make a distinction between the top two pass catchers, I've included both. It appears that 16 teams have their top receiver (or in some cases at least one of them) drafted in the 1st round.
So it's actually a little more than the amount of 1st round LTs. Negligible difference though. Exactly what I though, a pointless excercise that tells us nothing. But there most certainly are NOT more 1st round LTs than 1st round top WRs.
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ArcticNorseman
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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I'VE GOT IT!
The Vikes pick Kalil at #3 and then bundle 2013's 1st Rnd pick, this years 3rd and 4th Rd picks and next year's 3rd to move up to Jacksonville's #7 overall slot and take Floyd.
Then, with this year's 2nd Rnd pick, grab Barron or H Smith.
Then use the comp picks to get a DT and CB in the 4th Rd.
Then they still have 5 picks in the 5th, 6th and 7th Rounds.
So, we sell ourselves short on top-notch corner talent this year . . . big deal . . . the Vikes get an elite LT and an Elite Big WR in the 1st Round . . both top-10 picks . . . and we're all happy 
'cept the Claiborn fans . . .  Like I've said before 2 outta 3 ain't bad . . .  |
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vikingsrule
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| ArcticNorseman wrote: | I'VE GOT IT!
The Vikes pick Kalil at #3 and then bundle 2013's 1st Rnd pick, this years 3rd and 4th Rd picks and next year's 3rd to move up to Jacksonville's #7 overall slot and take Floyd.
Then, with this year's 2nd Rnd pick, grab Barron or H Smith.
Then use the comp picks to get a DT and CB in the 4th Rd.
Then they still have 5 picks in the 5th, 6th and 7th Rounds.
So, we sell ourselves short on top-notch corner talent this year . . . big deal . . . the Vikes get an elite LT and an Elite Big WR in the 1st Round . . both top-10 picks . . . and we're all happy
'cept the Claiborn fans . . . Like I've said before 2 outta 3 ain't bad . . . |
it would take this year's 2nd and 3rd plus a 1st (2013) to get to 7. |
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Nozizaki
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| PurpleMugen wrote: | ^I'm actually not saying that's what your opinion is. I'm addressing Nozizaki's post, in which he directly says "Heck, you can [find] UDFA that can turn into great WRs."
I quoted your post because you offered only half the overall point, as opposed to the whole (that UDFAs at any position are difficult to groom into great starters, not just at LT).
I personally would rather take an LT in the 2nd or 3rd round, and go WR or CB in the 1st. |
That's your opinion and I'm cool with it. I personally find Safety WAY too big a need to go unchecked through round 3. I'd be fine with any of Kalil, Blackmon or Claiborne being our pick in Rd 1 though (In that order). |
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Purplexing
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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| PurpleMugen wrote: | | ^Because adding a true #1 WR would allow Ponder to build a solid rapport with that receiver over the course of the coming years and would simultaneously invigorate the passing game for next season. |
Define "true #1 WR".
A rapport can be built with a WR drafted in round 2 in 2012, and later again with a WR drafted in round 1 in 2013, or signed in FA in 2013.
Example: Brad Johnson and Randall Cunningham 'built a rapport', actually, 'quite a rapport' with Randy Moss in 1998, his rookie year.
Rapport building is a rapi, er, quick process.
However, rapport building with a WR cannot happen as quickly if the QB is too often in a prone position, holding the football.
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marty264
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| Flounda wrote: | | Height doesn't matter if your standing reach and Wingspan make up for it and his standing reach is either right at Floyd or taller. His wingspan is larger by almost an inch and maybe more. |
I'm not sure about wingspan or standing reach, but at the Combine Floyd's arm measured 3/8s of an inch longer than Blackmon's. |
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PurpleMugen
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| Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:19 am Post subject: |
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| Nozizaki wrote: | | PurpleMugen wrote: | ^I'm actually not saying that's what your opinion is. I'm addressing Nozizaki's post, in which he directly says "Heck, you can [find] UDFA that can turn into great WRs."
I quoted your post because you offered only half the overall point, as opposed to the whole (that UDFAs at any position are difficult to groom into great starters, not just at LT).
I personally would rather take an LT in the 2nd or 3rd round, and go WR or CB in the 1st. |
That's your opinion and I'm cool with it. I personally find Safety WAY too big a need to go unchecked through round 3. I'd be fine with any of Kalil, Blackmon or Claiborne being our pick in Rd 1 though (In that order). |
Oh, trust me, I'm totally with you on the safety issue. What worries me is that no safety in particular stands out to me as a true impact player; it's an underwhelming group, but for whatever reason, I think that's been the case for the past couple of draft classes.
Which safety stands out to you/who do you like? Is there more than one?
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ArcticNorseman
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VR . . . I'm curious if you're Mike Mularky (a former Vikes TE) or the new owner of the Jags, Mr. Khan, calling a shot like that . . . lol . . . in lieu of offering this year's 2nd Rd pick to get to the #7 overall slot in a trade with the Jags. offering the extra 3rd and 4th round pick is fair -- forget the points chart.
The Jags are a decent team, but are much like the Vikes were at the end of 2010. So, they can take a bevy of picks via this trade and add good players they need at DE or WR, or they could work their way back up into the 2nd, grabbing two 2nds this year, while having 2 1st Rders next year. In 2013 and 2014, they could be stacked for the AFC South.
As I recall, they need help at DE and WR, so in that case maybe trading a current player such as Everson Griffen and a mid-Rd pick would entice them -- but I suspect they'd take the extra picks (actually I'd even throw in this year's 5th rather than take a piece from the D Line rotation to save too many picks for the Vikes).
In the end, the Vikes would have 8 picks this year . . . but three of them would be #3, #7 and #35 overall, and then have two 4ths, a 6th and two 7ths.
I could live with that, especially if the Vikes went:
#3 = Kalil, OT
#7 = Floyd, WR
#35 = Barron or H Smith, SS
#128 = Brandon Brooks, OG, Miami (OH)
#134 = Ron Brooks, CB, LSU
#175 = Najae Goode, MLB, West Virginia
#210 = Dale Moss, WR, Sd State
#223 = Brandon Hardin, CB, Oregon State
Do better than that with the first 5 picks and I'll tip my hat to ya. |
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Kellerman
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| Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 7:08 am Post subject: |
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| PurpleMugen wrote: | | Nozizaki wrote: | | PurpleMugen wrote: | ^I'm actually not saying that's what your opinion is. I'm addressing Nozizaki's post, in which he directly says "Heck, you can [find] UDFA that can turn into great WRs."
I quoted your post because you offered only half the overall point, as opposed to the whole (that UDFAs at any position are difficult to groom into great starters, not just at LT).
I personally would rather take an LT in the 2nd or 3rd round, and go WR or CB in the 1st. |
That's your opinion and I'm cool with it. I personally find Safety WAY too big a need to go unchecked through round 3. I'd be fine with any of Kalil, Blackmon or Claiborne being our pick in Rd 1 though (In that order). |
Oh, trust me, I'm totally with you on the safety issue. What worries me is that no safety in particular stands out to me as a true impact player; it's an underwhelming group, but for whatever reason, I think that's been the case for the past couple of draft classes.
Which safety stands out to you/who do you like? Is there more than one? |
Yup, the safety class is pretty bad this year. I wouldn't spend any of our 1st or 2nd round picks on one this year. Maybe take a flyer on a guy like Janzen Jackson in the later rounds. There's no sense in reaching on a safety, considering the relatively importance of the position, and the draft class.
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Nozizaki
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| Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:37 am Post subject: |
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| PurpleMugen wrote: | | Nozizaki wrote: | | PurpleMugen wrote: | ^I'm actually not saying that's what your opinion is. I'm addressing Nozizaki's post, in which he directly says "Heck, you can [find] UDFA that can turn into great WRs."
I quoted your post because you offered only half the overall point, as opposed to the whole (that UDFAs at any position are difficult to groom into great starters, not just at LT).
I personally would rather take an LT in the 2nd or 3rd round, and go WR or CB in the 1st. |
That's your opinion and I'm cool with it. I personally find Safety WAY too big a need to go unchecked through round 3. I'd be fine with any of Kalil, Blackmon or Claiborne being our pick in Rd 1 though (In that order). |
Oh, trust me, I'm totally with you on the safety issue. What worries me is that no safety in particular stands out to me as a true impact player; it's an underwhelming group, but for whatever reason, I think that's been the case for the past couple of draft classes.
Which safety stands out to you/who do you like? Is there more than one? |
I only truly like Mark Barron. I hope he falls to us, but it seems doubtful. But he was an All American safety, and a hard hitting one. He also has pretty good coverage skills and most importantly he catches INT's. Thing that worries me a bit is he didn't play all that "deep" at Alabama and that could lead to him biting on play fakes. I screamed my head off whenever Abdullah bought on one of those, and want a safety who won't. |
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LoverInTheCold
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| Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:12 am Post subject: |
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| Kellerman wrote: | | PurpleMugen wrote: | | Nozizaki wrote: | | PurpleMugen wrote: | ^I'm actually not saying that's what your opinion is. I'm addressing Nozizaki's post, in which he directly says "Heck, you can [find] UDFA that can turn into great WRs."
I quoted your post because you offered only half the overall point, as opposed to the whole (that UDFAs at any position are difficult to groom into great starters, not just at LT).
I personally would rather take an LT in the 2nd or 3rd round, and go WR or CB in the 1st. |
That's your opinion and I'm cool with it. I personally find Safety WAY too big a need to go unchecked through round 3. I'd be fine with any of Kalil, Blackmon or Claiborne being our pick in Rd 1 though (In that order). |
Oh, trust me, I'm totally with you on the safety issue. What worries me is that no safety in particular stands out to me as a true impact player; it's an underwhelming group, but for whatever reason, I think that's been the case for the past couple of draft classes.
Which safety stands out to you/who do you like? Is there more than one? |
Yup, the safety class is pretty bad this year. I wouldn't spend any of our 1st or 2nd round picks on one this year. Maybe take a flyer on a guy like Janzen Jackson in the later rounds. There's no sense in reaching on a safety, considering the relatively importance of the position, and the draft class. |
I adamantly agree. This is 2008 all over again. Mark Barron and Harrison Smith could easily turn out to be this year's Kenny Phillips and Tyrell Johnson. It was a two safety class in 2008 and their values were extremely inflated because of it. And look what happened, we reached for one of the two and got stuck with one of our biggest busts of the last decade.
Now, I like a Barron and Smith better than Phillips and Johnson, but I think both have big enough question marks that I wouldn't touch either in the 1st round. I'd take Barron @#35 as he's worth the risk there, but I'd have to think long and hard about Smith at that point. I like him, but I feel like he's going to get overdrafted whenever he goes.
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* sorry, i thought this was the what to do at 35 thread. Moving my comment on harrison smith.
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Floyd is having a private workout with the Vikings.
Any chance he is an option at 3? Or are they just covering their bases in case they trade down.
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| [UMN] wrote: | Floyd is having a private workout with the Vikings.
Any chance he is an option at 3? Or are they just covering their bases in case they trade down. |
just being diligent. Floyd has to be considered an option for the Vikings pick (whether or not at pick 3). Given Floyd has major character flaws, its necessary to put him through a private workout to get a better understanding of his mental makeup.
I dont want any part of taking a WR at 3, but if MN does, Floyd is the one I want. |
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