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What will the Vikings do at #35?
The Minnesota Vikings draft a DB (Janoris Jenkins, Harrison Smith)
44%
 44%  [ 35 ]
The Minnesota Vikings draft an OL (Mike Adams, Kevin Zeitler)
1%
 1%  [ 1 ]
The Minnesota Vikings draft a WR (Alshon Jeffery, Reuben Randle)
42%
 42%  [ 33 ]
The Minnesota Vikings draft a LB (Lavonte David, Donta' Hightower)
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
The Minnesota Vikings draft a DT (Kendall Reyes, Devon Still)
5%
 5%  [ 4 ]
The Minnesota Vikings trade down
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
The Minnesota Vikings trade back up into the 1st rd
3%
 3%  [ 3 ]
Other
2%
 2%  [ 2 ]
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Lil Uno


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Freakout wrote:
Alfonzo Dennard is growing on me. I didn't really watch Nebraska play during the year and I tend to favor taller DB's but from watching him play he would be a great fit with the way we use our corners.

This time of year it is hard not to get caught up in measurements and Dennard isn't one of the athletic freaks but the guy can flat out play.


Dennard could slip to the 3rd but I agree he would be a good pick. He is very scheme limited and will have to go to a Cover-2 to make any kind of noise.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lil Uno wrote:
Freakout wrote:
Alfonzo Dennard is growing on me. I didn't really watch Nebraska play during the year and I tend to favor taller DB's but from watching him play he would be a great fit with the way we use our corners.

This time of year it is hard not to get caught up in measurements and Dennard isn't one of the athletic freaks but the guy can flat out play.


Dennard could slip to the 3rd but I agree he would be a good pick. He is very scheme limited and will have to go to a Cover-2 to make any kind of noise.


I guess the good thing about this draft is the depth. There are several ways the team could go that would make me happy. If they walked away with Matt Kalil, Alfonzo Dennard, and Markelle Martin with the top 3 picks I would be thrilled.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A trededown with the Bucs in the first to give us another 2nd and select Mark Barron and Alshon Jeffery.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Freakout wrote:
Lil Uno wrote:
Freakout wrote:
Alfonzo Dennard is growing on me. I didn't really watch Nebraska play during the year and I tend to favor taller DB's but from watching him play he would be a great fit with the way we use our corners.

This time of year it is hard not to get caught up in measurements and Dennard isn't one of the athletic freaks but the guy can flat out play.


Dennard could slip to the 3rd but I agree he would be a good pick. He is very scheme limited and will have to go to a Cover-2 to make any kind of noise.


I guess the good thing about this draft is the depth. There are several ways the team could go that would make me happy. If they walked away with Matt Kalil, Alfonzo Dennard, and Markelle Martin with the top 3 picks I would be thrilled.


That draft would be just plain ugly. Dennard is going to get abused in this league. Markelle is 4th-5th round talent and slipping by the day. And worst of all, you ignore our biggest need, a #1 WR, until the 3rd day of the draft. Outside of getting Kalil, this would be a total disaster.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LoverInTheCold wrote:
Freakout wrote:
Lil Uno wrote:
Freakout wrote:
Alfonzo Dennard is growing on me. I didn't really watch Nebraska play during the year and I tend to favor taller DB's but from watching him play he would be a great fit with the way we use our corners.

This time of year it is hard not to get caught up in measurements and Dennard isn't one of the athletic freaks but the guy can flat out play.


Dennard could slip to the 3rd but I agree he would be a good pick. He is very scheme limited and will have to go to a Cover-2 to make any kind of noise.


I guess the good thing about this draft is the depth. There are several ways the team could go that would make me happy. If they walked away with Matt Kalil, Alfonzo Dennard, and Markelle Martin with the top 3 picks I would be thrilled.


That draft would be just plain ugly. Dennard is going to get abused in this league. Markelle is 4th-5th round talent and slipping by the day. And worst of all, you ignore our biggest need, a #1 WR, until the 3rd day of the draft. Outside of getting Kalil, this would be a total disaster.


We'll just disagree on Dennard. He may not be a stud #1 CB but he would make one hell of a #2 CB along side Chris Cook.

Safeties are going to go higher simply due to supply and demand. Hell Harrison Smith isn't worth a 2nd round pick but he will be taken that high.

I also wouldn't be shocked one bit if Blackmon, Floyd, Wright, Jeffery, and Hill are all gone by our second pick. St. Louis, Jacksonville, Cleveland, Indianapolis all really need receivers. Then you have teams like SanFran that signed a washed up Randy Moss. Houston has made it no secret that they want another receiver. The Giants need to replace Manningham.

As I said I like the depth of this draft. I would be content with Jerel Worthy taken in the 2nd or Mike Martin in the 3rd.

I would be content with grabbing a falling Chase Minnifield in the 4th but I also like Shaun Prater and Corydell Judie as later round CB's.

Just as I like Brian Quick, Greg Childs (my sleeper pick), and Nick Toon later in the draft.

Fans expecting management to land a stud WR with our 2nd round pick are setting themselves up for disappointment.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Freakout wrote:
Fans expecting management to land a stud WR with our 2nd round pick are setting themselves up for disappointment.


Exactly... Wink

...that's why you take your elite WR in the 1st, whether it be Blackmon @ #3 or trade down and nab Floyd.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LoverInTheCold wrote:
Freakout wrote:
Fans expecting management to land a stud WR with our 2nd round pick are setting themselves up for disappointment.


Exactly... Wink

...that's why you take your elite WR in the 1st, whether it be Blackmon @ #3 or trade down and nab Floyd.


Laughing

For me personally I believe passing on Kalil would be moronic but that is due to my opinion that Kalil, DeCastro, and Richardson are about as close as you're going to get to drafting 100% Pro-Bowlers for years barring injury.

Still if I were a betting man I would bet on Spielman taking Blackmon. I believe he is of the opinion that if you give Ponder enough weapons that he will get the ball out quicker. I don't disagree with that reasoning I just think it is wrong when looking at our quarterback situation.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If > Then scenarios are great . . . and for the Vikes this year I look at it this way at #35 . . .

If the Vikes select Kalil at #3, Then select Barron or H Smith at #35.

If the Vikes select Blackmon at #3, Then select Barron or H Smith at #35.

If the Vikes select Claiborne at #3, Then select Barron or H Smith at #35.

Yes, I'm stuck on Safety island - if this team never gets their version of Ed Reed, Troy Polomalu, Rodney Harrison or Joey Browner, the defense will not improve dramatically. They absolutely need a captain - playmaker back there . . .

Disclaimer: If the Vikes select Gilmore or Dennard at CB or Jeffries/Quick/Toon at WR at #35 (which I wouldn't be upset with), then trade up and select Iloka!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ArcticNorseman wrote:
If > Then scenarios are great . . . and for the Vikes this year I look at it this way at #35 . . .

If the Vikes select Kalil at #3, Then select Barron or H Smith at #35.

If the Vikes select Blackmon at #3, Then select Barron or H Smith at #35.

If the Vikes select Claiborne at #3, Then select Barron or H Smith at #35.

Yes, I'm stuck on Safety island - if this team never gets their version of Ed Reed, Troy Polomalu, Rodney Harrison or Joey Browner, the defense will not improve dramatically. They absolutely need a captain - playmaker back there . . .

+1

I'm going to ignore your disclaimer as that was alot of reaching.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LoverInTheCold wrote:
Freakout wrote:
Fans expecting management to land a stud WR with our 2nd round pick are setting themselves up for disappointment.


Exactly... Wink

...that's why you take your elite WR in the 1st, whether it be Blackmon @ #3 or trade down and nab Floyd.


The problem with that is there are no "elite" wr this year. Floyd and Blackmon are very good prospects, but neither are elite. #1 wr will have to wait until next year. This year is a great year for receivers in the late first or later, but not in the top 10 picks. Just because Floyd and Blackmon are the "best" receivers does not make them elite.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Freakout wrote:

We'll just disagree on Dennard. He may not be a stud #1 CB but he would make one hell of a #2 CB along side Chris Cook.

Safeties are going to go higher simply due to supply and demand. Hell Harrison Smith isn't worth a 2nd round pick but he will be taken that high.

I also wouldn't be shocked one bit if Blackmon, Floyd, Wright, Jeffery, and Hill are all gone by our second pick. St. Louis, Jacksonville, Cleveland, Indianapolis all really need receivers. Then you have teams like SanFran that signed a washed up Randy Moss. Houston has made it no secret that they want another receiver. The Giants need to replace Manningham.

As I said I like the depth of this draft. I would be content with Jerel Worthy taken in the 2nd or Mike Martin in the 3rd.

I would be content with grabbing a falling Chase Minnifield in the 4th but I also like Shaun Prater and Corydell Judie as later round CB's.

Just as I like Brian Quick, Greg Childs (my sleeper pick), and Nick Toon later in the draft.

Fans expecting management to land a stud WR with our 2nd round pick are setting themselves up for disappointment.


I agree with essentially everything here.
I also think it will be a mistake to take R1=LT, R2=WR, as you would be again not selecting defense in the top of the draft, when that unit was worse last year.

I dont see value in R2 S or CB (more then the DT value) ... You will get the same quality of CB in round 4 or similar quaility of S in R3.

If they take LT in R1, I hope they take DT in R2, S/WR in R3
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cantwin1 wrote:
The problem with that is there are no "elite" wr this year. Floyd and Blackmon are very good prospects, but neither are elite.


I love how some posters can just definitively say top-tier prospects are not and cannot be elite.

When you've been as dominant as Justin Blackmon has in your college career, you most certainly have at least an outside shot at being an elite NFL WR (in all likelihood, the inside track to becoming one).
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PrplePplBleeder wrote:
I hope a trade up for a player is possible, getting Kirkpatrick, David DeCastro, Martin, Poe, Floyd, Kuechly or Barron... a few would require multiple picks, which I'm okay with personally. But some are possible 20's picks.

If we stay, I hope we get Dennard from Nebraska.. I like him a lot.


PPB, I would say that it would take a trade DOWN to get a shot at DeCastro, Floyd, or Kuechly. Not that I'm against that or moving up for the others.
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Harrison Smith can play. Smith might be too slow, or whatever knock you wanna put on him - like "he's an in the box SS." But so was the "true original tampa 2" safety for the Pittsburgh Steelers & the original Tampa 2 safety. Lynch ran a 4.62, for instance. But he had instincts & could hit guys when closing on receivers. Harrison Smith had 0 picks this year, but played fine enough in what was asked of him, & had 7 picks the previous year.

Just get a football player & give him to the coaching staff. We don't have a football player at SS.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1265468/harrison-smith
Strengths: Looks the part with prototypical size and strength for a strong safety ? long arms with a filled-out frame. Extremely strong with natural power to make punishing hits. Physical striker who enjoys contact. Fills the run lanes hard and is a downhill athlete with an aggressive nature at the point of attack. Plays fast and closes in a flash with conviction and determination ? fast in pursuit. Makes plays at all levels of the field and has strong hands to make shoe-string tackles. Read/reacts quickly and does a nice job interpreting the eyes of the quarterback. Big-time competitor and leader, never giving up on plays ? goes hard at full speed. Very active pre-snap and shows natural awareness. Played both linebacker and safety in college with 47 career starts, showing steady improvement over his time in South Bend. Very productive at Notre Dame, leaving as the only player in school history to register more than 200 tackles, 15 tackles for loss and 15 pass break-ups over his career ? finished with 307 tackles, 18.5 tackles for loss and 28 pass break-ups.
His weakness sound identical to John Lynch. Is Lynch the greatest ever? no, but he could play safety in a tampa 2 just fine.

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OT at 3

CB at 35. If none warrant the pick, draft the best available WR at 35.

WR at 67. Or CB if a WR was drafted at 35.

My preference for a CB over a WR at 35 is based on the fact that the Vikings will be using 2TE sets fairly often, and have two good TEs, as well as a few good WRs. They have some CBs, with Cook being good, but the rest being untested and uncertain.
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