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brncos4life


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:14 pm    Post subject: trade the #25 pick?? Reply with quote

im really feeling that we should trade the 25th pick because i think the top DT will be gone and Konz could be gone, and we could add more picks with 2 2nds and another next year..
with 2 2nds we would get good value at DT still with maybe Thompson or the Uconn DT, and a good RB also like martin, wilson james..
and alll good O lineman will be gone by 25..makes alot of sense, but not sure who will move up yet..lets talk about it.. ONLY 34 days till the nfl draft..
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It all depends on if we can sign a DT before the draft. If not, we have to reach on a DT. Brockers and Poe will likely be gone by then.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JerseysFinest27 wrote:
It all depends on if we can sign a DT before the draft. If not, we have to reach on a DT. Brockers and Poe will likely be gone by then.


No we dont have to reach. Your philosophy explains how we ended up with Jarvis Moss, Ashley Lelie, Darcel McBath, Knowshon Moreno, Marcus Nash, RIchard Quinn etc. You grab the best player .
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want to deal down as well. Trade #25 for a 2nd and 3rd.

Take Doug Martin and whichever DT falls (One of Brandon Thompson, Jerrell Worthy, Kendell Reyes, Alamadea, should be there at the Broncos pick, IMO)
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It all depends on how the draft unfolds, if our pick comes around and we see a guy we like at #25 we take him. If our top guys on our board are all gone and we are looking at 2nd rd talent then I think its wise to shop the pick. Trading back in the second i would love to grab Brandon Thompson and possibly Ta'mu(sp?) from Washington. I think those 2 big bodies would fit well with Fox's defense.

There is a lot of value at corner and Wr in this years draft so we can add one of them in the 3rd and 4th rounds but we need to get bigger up front on defense imo.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

elwayfan07 wrote:
JerseysFinest27 wrote:
It all depends on if we can sign a DT before the draft. If not, we have to reach on a DT. Brockers and Poe will likely be gone by then.


No we dont have to reach. Your philosophy explains how we ended up with Jarvis Moss, Ashley Lelie, Darcel McBath, Knowshon Moreno, Marcus Nash, RIchard Quinn etc. You grab the best player .

So youre okay with Ty Warren and Ryan McBean as the only DT's next season?

Sometimes you just have to take a player in order to at least be able to compete. This is one of those scenarios.

BTW, Jerel Worthy or Fletcher Cox are not reaches at #25. Just to set the record straight.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's hilarious that Fletcher Cox is considered a reach at 25. He just isn't plain and simple. Neither is Jerel Worthy, neither is Dontari Poe. The DT value is PHENOMENAL this draft, and if we pass it up, I'm gonna question the FO big time.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trade 2012 1st round pick to a 2nd round this year and a 1st next year !
We don't know how Manning neck will be.
Two 1st round next year we will move up if necessary for a QB or another position if PM play is ok.
There is a lot of good player in this deep 2012 draft so we can grab Two good player in 2nd round
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

French Fan wrote:
Trade 2012 1st round pick to a 2nd round this year and a 1st next year !
We don't know how Manning neck will be.
Two 1st round next year we will move up if necessary for a QB or another position if PM play is ok.
There is a lot of good player in this deep 2012 draft so we can grab Two good player in 2nd round

I don't think you'll get a first and a 2nd for a first. More likely a future 1st and 5th/other midrounder.

broncos67 wrote:
I think it's hilarious that Fletcher Cox is considered a reach at 25. He just isn't plain and simple. Neither is Jerel Worthy, neither is Dontari Poe. The DT value is PHENOMENAL this draft, and if we pass it up, I'm gonna question the FO big time.
wouldn't be surprised if cox isn't there at #25. He's a good player in a deep dt draft. I wouldn't be against moving up a few slots if brockers, poe, ect fall. Also would explore the option of drafting fleener, konz, ect..
I've always liked Thompson as a dt to push the pocket and moving back 10 slots and picking up an extra pick should also be considered if the market is there.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

broncos67 wrote:
I think it's hilarious that Fletcher Cox is considered a reach at 25. He just isn't plain and simple. Neither is Jerel Worthy, neither is Dontari Poe. The DT value is PHENOMENAL this draft, and if we pass it up, I'm gonna question the FO big time.

Thank you. @elwayfan07

Oh wait... that doesnt work here.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't think we move, BPA. Someone we like should be at 25.

The Jets 4th should come handy on player we really like, would allow us to jump a few spots if need. Won't know either way until draft is up and running. We're in a great position.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JerseysFinest27 wrote:
elwayfan07 wrote:
JerseysFinest27 wrote:
It all depends on if we can sign a DT before the draft. If not, we have to reach on a DT. Brockers and Poe will likely be gone by then.


No we dont have to reach. Your philosophy explains how we ended up with Jarvis Moss, Ashley Lelie, Darcel McBath, Knowshon Moreno, Marcus Nash, RIchard Quinn etc. You grab the best player .

So youre okay with Ty Warren and Ryan McBean as the only DT's next season?

Sometimes you just have to take a player in order to at least be able to compete. This is one of those scenarios.

BTW, Jerel Worthy or Fletcher Cox are not reaches at #25. Just to set the record straight.


But if you have a player say Kirkpatrick who you have rated as the 15th best on your board and Cox/WOrthy are well into the 20's you dont bypass who is top on your board. Cox, as much as I like him, is not the type of DT for this system. Worthy could be. However, you take whoever is the top player on your board. You can't say we need a DT so damn the torpedoes we are gettin aDT
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

broncos67 wrote:
I think it's hilarious that Fletcher Cox is considered a reach at 25. He just isn't plain and simple. Neither is Jerel Worthy, neither is Dontari Poe. The DT value is PHENOMENAL this draft, and if we pass it up, I'm gonna question the FO big time.


Well, you'll really get a kick out of this then. I think Cox has "bust" written all over him. He's not large, not exceptionally strong, not explosive. He's quick, but a handpunch from most NFL O Linemen will negate that right away.

When exactly was the last time a guy like this made an impact in the NFL?
C'mon, 26" vertical. Hardly explosive.

I think Mike martin may have a better NFL career. Thompson and Ta'amu almost certainly will. After Poe and Brockers I'm not a fan of any DT in the 1st. Cox has that SEC over rating.

I agree we need help at DT. I also think we'll look hard at DE since we've only got 3 on the roster.

Personally I'd love us to settle for either Thompson or Ta'amu as our 1 tech, and use any of our other 6 DT's as our 3.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poe, Cox, Worthy, and Brockers could all be gone by the time we pick. And if they are, a higher rated talent will fall to us. Plus, you always have to count on the one incredibly stupid reach that seems to happen with regularity. Unfortunately, a player falling might not be at a position of need. And then, what?

EXF have pretty much commited to going for the BPA at a position of need. Clearly a determination has been made as to our strengths. But nothing would surprise me. There is no real pattern with John Fox' drafting, and there is a lot of debate over what influence he carried at Carolina, with their Drafting. And we have 1 year of Elway influence, and Xanders is more of a chameleon, as far as I can tell.

A John Fox-coached team has never drafted a DT in the 1st two Rounds, that I can find. Since 2002, John Fox teams have drafted 3 LBs, 2 OTs, 2CBs, 2 RBs, and 1 DE. I don't see us drafting a DE, and Richardson is the only RB worth drafting in the 1st Rd. I'm thinking Jenkins or Kirkpatrick at CB. Possibly a Cordy Glenn at Guard. And what about Floyd or Wright falling to us at WR? And LB appears to be a favorite in past, and our most recent Draft. Will LB Upshaw drop to us? No way. But, how about a Zach Brown or Hightower?

There's a lot of scenarios, including moving up or moving down. EXF did a decent job last year, and I'm hoping they do even better with this upcoming Draft.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Army wrote:
Poe, Cox, Worthy, and Brockers could all be gone by the time we pick. And if they are, a higher rated talent will fall to us. Plus, you always have to count on the one incredibly stupid reach that seems to happen with regularity. Unfortunately, a player falling might not be at a position of need. And then, what?

EXF have pretty much commited to going for the BPA at a position of need. Clearly a determination has been made as to our strengths. But nothing would surprise me. There is no real pattern with John Fox' drafting, and there is a lot of debate over what influence he carried at Carolina, with their Drafting. And we have 1 year of Elway influence, and Xanders is more of a chameleon, as far as I can tell.

A John Fox-coached team has never drafted a DT in the 1st two Rounds, that I can find. Since 2002, John Fox teams have drafted 3 LBs, 2 OTs, 2CBs, 2 RBs, and 1 DE. I don't see us drafting a DE, and Richardson is the only RB worth drafting in the 1st Rd. I'm thinking Jenkins or Kirkpatrick at CB. Possibly a Cordy Glenn at Guard. And what about Floyd or Wright falling to us at WR? And LB appears to be a favorite in past, and our most recent Draft. Will LB Upshaw drop to us? No way. But, how about a Zach Brown or Hightower?

There's a lot of scenarios, including moving up or moving down. EXF did a decent job last year, and I'm hoping they do even better with this upcoming Draft.


Why not? I am actually surprised this position is not brought up more as a position of need. Our starting DEs are Dumverville and Ayers. Ayers does not offer much as a pass rusher. Behind both DEs, we have absolutely nothing.
Why wouldn't DE be a position of need? If we drafted a DE in round 2 or 3, it would not be anything to bat an eye at. Although I don't know how deep this draft is at DE.
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