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REDandPEWTER
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| deuces22wild wrote: | http://rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7462/trent-richardson
| Quote: | The Cleveland Plain Dealer believes the Browns will "probably" select Alabama RB Trent Richardson or Oklahoma State WR Justin Blackmon if they keep the No. 4 pick.
Whether or not they stick with Colt McCoy at quarterback, the Browns need a wholesale upgrade of their offensive "talent." Richardson could be the more likely target for a team that let Peyton Hillis walk in free agency
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So then we get Claiborne. Pretty sweet consolation prize. |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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| deuces22wild wrote: | http://rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7462/trent-richardson
| Quote: | The Cleveland Plain Dealer believes the Browns will "probably" select Alabama RB Trent Richardson or Oklahoma State WR Justin Blackmon if they keep the No. 4 pick.
Whether or not they stick with Colt McCoy at quarterback, the Browns need a wholesale upgrade of their offensive "talent." Richardson could be the more likely target for a team that let Peyton Hillis walk in free agency and spent a second-round pick on Greg Little in 2011 |
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Some random source thinking they could select Richardson doesn't really mean anything. Like I've been saying, they could easily take a RB ahead of us in round 2 and use the #4 pick elsewhere, just like we keep saying we could do the same with Claiborne and another RB.
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REDandPEWTER
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| RoeKG wrote: | | deuces22wild wrote: | http://rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7462/trent-richardson
| Quote: | The Cleveland Plain Dealer believes the Browns will "probably" select Alabama RB Trent Richardson or Oklahoma State WR Justin Blackmon if they keep the No. 4 pick.
Whether or not they stick with Colt McCoy at quarterback, the Browns need a wholesale upgrade of their offensive "talent." Richardson could be the more likely target for a team that let Peyton Hillis walk in free agency and spent a second-round pick on Greg Little in 2011 |
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Some random source thinking they could select Richardson doesn't really mean anything. Like I've been saying, they could easily take a RB ahead of us in round 2 and use the #4 pick elsewhere, just like we keep saying we could do the same with Claiborne and another RB. |
Only thing is, we pick 4th in round 2, ahead of Cleveland  .
I think Richardson or Blackmon is a real possibility. Cleveland didn't land a QB this off-season, so they're going to build around McCoy and put weapons. They have Little and Masoque, 2/3 WRs. They could pair them with Blackmon, or they could go to a physical ground game.
Cleveland has a solid defense and needs more weapons on offense. I think it's either Blackmon or Richardson, whoever they have rated higher on there board. |
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RoeKG
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| REDandPEWTER wrote: | | RoeKG wrote: | | deuces22wild wrote: | http://rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7462/trent-richardson
| Quote: | The Cleveland Plain Dealer believes the Browns will "probably" select Alabama RB Trent Richardson or Oklahoma State WR Justin Blackmon if they keep the No. 4 pick.
Whether or not they stick with Colt McCoy at quarterback, the Browns need a wholesale upgrade of their offensive "talent." Richardson could be the more likely target for a team that let Peyton Hillis walk in free agency and spent a second-round pick on Greg Little in 2011 |
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Some random source thinking they could select Richardson doesn't really mean anything. Like I've been saying, they could easily take a RB ahead of us in round 2 and use the #4 pick elsewhere, just like we keep saying we could do the same with Claiborne and another RB. |
Only thing is, we pick 4th in round 2, ahead of Cleveland .
I think Richardson or Blackmon is a real possibility. Cleveland didn't land a QB this off-season, so they're going to build around McCoy and put weapons. They have Little and Masoque, 2/3 WRs. They could pair them with Blackmon, or they could go to a physical ground game.
Cleveland has a solid defense and needs more weapons on offense. I think it's either Blackmon or Richardson, whoever they have rated higher on there board. |
Oh, I didn't realize we were ahead of them. That is good news
I think if they're smart they go Richardson and take a WR later on, but who knows what they do. I do think they could take Claiborne though because they're defense really isn't that good. I'm pretty sure every team in the AFC North had a high ranked pass defense, I think it was more schedule than all the teams being that good.
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| I am starting to think the Browns will take Trent Richardson at 4. This is assuming that the first three picks are Luck, Griffin and Kalil. Even if the Vikings take Claiborne( which I would be very surprised about), I believe the Browns take Richardson there at 4. I know they need a WR but think they need a RB more. Mike Holmgren did well with a Alabama RB about the same size as Richardson in Seattle( Alexander) plus I believe he did well with RB's with about the same size in Green Bay. I think they use their 22nd pick on a DL or DE. If none are available then, I think they will get a WR. Regardless, the Browns will address some of their biggest weaknesses early in the draft( two 1st Round picks early 2nd Round). |
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| BucsSpartans157 wrote: | | I am starting to think the Browns will take Trent Richardson at 4. This is assuming that the first three picks are Luck, Griffin and Kalil. Even if the Vikings take Claiborne( which I would be very surprised about), I believe the Browns take Richardson there at 4. I know they need a WR but think they need a RB more. Mike Holmgren did well with a Alabama RB about the same size as Richardson in Seattle( Alexander) plus I believe he did well with RB's with about the same size in Green Bay. I think they use their 22nd pick on a DL or DE. If none are available then, I think they will get a WR. Regardless, the Browns will address some of their biggest weaknesses early in the draft( two 1st Round picks early 2nd Round). |
I'd be sick. I'd be so upset. I'd probably start breaking stuff.
If that happens we better trade down. Someone should want Kalil.
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I really think the Browns are going to pick Richardson. The fact is, they need some elite talent on offense, and Richardson is by far the best bet of all skill position players. If The Vikes take Claiborne before them, we are kinda outta luck. I hope the Vikes take Kalil, that way even if the Browns take Richardson we still get ourselves an elite level prospect rather than having to settle with a tier 2 guy.
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| I don't see any way Kalil doesn't go to the Vikings. They do need a CB, but they also have nobody at LT. Kalil is near the top on a lot of reputable big boards. He seems like the next most elite prospect. So whether it's a need, premium position, talent level; it's all pointing strongly to Kalil. Then yeah, the Browns probably take Richardson after losing Hillis. Which probably leaves us with Claiborne and the Rams with Blackmon. Chalk-tastic. |
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REDandPEWTER
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| dbtb135 wrote: | | I don't see any way Kalil doesn't go to the Vikings. They do need a CB, but they also have nobody at LT. Kalil is near the top on a lot of reputable big boards. He seems like the next most elite prospect. So whether it's a need, premium position, talent level; it's all pointing strongly to Kalil. Then yeah, the Browns probably take Richardson after losing Hillis. Which probably leaves us with Claiborne and the Rams with Blackmon. Chalk-tastic. |
The Vikings don't have anyone at LT, LG, and RG.
They pretty much are definately going LT in round 1. |
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DaRealdeal
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The Richardson vs. Claiborne debate will continue in this forum until draft day. One of the huge arguments that I have heard from the pro-Claiborne crowd is that you can find RBs later on in the draft. It has been said so many times that people have basically accepted it to be true.
Greg Cosell, NFL Films guru, put together an unbelievable blog post about this very topic after watching hours of film on Trent Richardson. I'm only quoting the juicy parts, but I would suggest reading the whole blog post. It really is an informative read.
http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/03/20/cosell-talks-the-running-back-conundrum/?module=HP11_content_stream
| Quote: | | I believe the best player in this draft class is Alabama RB Trent Richardson, not Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III. Richardson is the best back to enter the NFL since Adrian Peterson in 2007. I know Richardson won’t be the first pick, and I know an elite quarterback is a far more important component. But as I said, there’s more to it than that. |
| Quote: | Let’s take it a step further. You’re the Tampa Bay Buccaneers with the fifth pick in the draft, and you just signed Vincent Jackson. You have to understand where Jackson came from, and what he is as a receiver. He played for Norv Turner in San Diego. Turner is predominantly a base formation offensive coach. He utilizes “21” personnel (2 backs and 1 tight end) and “12” personnel (1 back and 2 tight ends). He is outstanding manipulating the safety as an add-in run defender. The result was a high percentage of what we call single high safety coverages, which is one safety in the deep middle of the field. Almost always, in that alignment, the corners play off coverage. Rarely do they play aggressive press man-to-man with only one deep safety.
That brings us back to Jackson. He’s a free access vertical receiver, a big long strider at his best when he’s able to release cleanly off the line of scrimmage. You put Richardson in the backfield, and you accomplish a number of things. First, you force the defense to defend the run first. You likely dictate eight in the box and single high safety coverages. Secondly, Jackson’s strengths as a deep receiver are maximized. It helps your passing game.
And this doesn’t even begin to address Richardson’s impact on the Bucs defense, arguably the NFL’s worst over the last half of the 2011 season. He’s a foundation back, a tempo setter for an offense. What that does is shorten the game. The clock moves when you run the ball. The ancillary benefit is your defense is on the field for fewer plays. A back like Richardson therefore not only makes your passing game better, he helps your defense. |
The impact that Richardson can have on our football team goes well beyond what he can do as a runner.
I was already a believer and this just makes me feel even stronger.
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| DaRealdeal wrote: | The Richardson vs. Claiborne debate will continue in this forum until draft day. One of the huge arguments that I have heard from the pro-Claiborne crowd is that you can find RBs later on in the draft. It has been said so many times that people have basically accepted it to be true.
Greg Cosell, NFL Films guru, put together an unbelievable blog post about this very topic after watching hours of film on Trent Richardson. I'm only quoting the juicy parts, but I would suggest reading the whole blog post. It really is an informative read.
http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/03/20/cosell-talks-the-running-back-conundrum/?module=HP11_content_stream
| Quote: | | I believe the best player in this draft class is Alabama RB Trent Richardson, not Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III. Richardson is the best back to enter the NFL since Adrian Peterson in 2007. I know Richardson won’t be the first pick, and I know an elite quarterback is a far more important component. But as I said, there’s more to it than that. |
| Quote: | Let’s take it a step further. You’re the Tampa Bay Buccaneers with the fifth pick in the draft, and you just signed Vincent Jackson. You have to understand where Jackson came from, and what he is as a receiver. He played for Norv Turner in San Diego. Turner is predominantly a base formation offensive coach. He utilizes “21” personnel (2 backs and 1 tight end) and “12” personnel (1 back and 2 tight ends). He is outstanding manipulating the safety as an add-in run defender. The result was a high percentage of what we call single high safety coverages, which is one safety in the deep middle of the field. Almost always, in that alignment, the corners play off coverage. Rarely do they play aggressive press man-to-man with only one deep safety.
That brings us back to Jackson. He’s a free access vertical receiver, a big long strider at his best when he’s able to release cleanly off the line of scrimmage. You put Richardson in the backfield, and you accomplish a number of things. First, you force the defense to defend the run first. You likely dictate eight in the box and single high safety coverages. Secondly, Jackson’s strengths as a deep receiver are maximized. It helps your passing game.
And this doesn’t even begin to address Richardson’s impact on the Bucs defense, arguably the NFL’s worst over the last half of the 2011 season. He’s a foundation back, a tempo setter for an offense. What that does is shorten the game. The clock moves when you run the ball. The ancillary benefit is your defense is on the field for fewer plays. A back like Richardson therefore not only makes your passing game better, he helps your defense. |
The impact that Richardson can have on our football team goes well beyond what he can do as a runner.
I was already a believer and this just makes me feel even stronger. |
I'll drink to that, nice read 
I can't wait until the draft!
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Thank you DRD, nice read.
I know I'm very pro-Trent, but that article basically sums up what we've said. I hear a lot from the pro-Claiborne side that getting Trent will have the exact same impact for our team that getting any other runner, such as Wilson or David. This is not the case. Trent commands special attention and gameplanning immediately, and is a special talent. The other backs are not.
Maybe I'm just biased, but I don't see Claiborne on that level. He is good, and for the millionth time, if Richardson is gone, most likely to the Browns, I would love Claiborne, but a player with his skills comes around every year. Every draft there is that top corner who everyone says will be the next shutdown guy, so I'm not overly concerned with that. Picking Claiborne over Trent seems exactly like picking Gaines over AP. Obviously with hindsight being 20/20 that seems like a knock on Claiborne. It is not, I'm saying that at the time we passed over a special talent for the top guy at a more glaring need position. You just don't do that for special talent, which Richardson is.
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Im scared out my mind that Richardson comes off the board at 4 to the Browns. But I dont think anyone has really gotten into this possibility yet...
What if the Browns want Tannehill. I heard a report a few weeks ago, I think on here, that Shermer really liked Tannehill and whoever was writing the report said dont be surprised if the Browns draft Tannehill. Ive heard a number of times on NFL Network and ESPN form analysts saying how Colt McCoy in not a franchise QB and Tannehill could be so the Browns should make a move and very well could. Tannehill would be an offensive playmaker and with a good QB it would greatly help their team.
On the flip side I could see the Dolphins trading up to 4 with the Browns and grabbing Tannehill. Sherman, the new OC in Miami, was Tannehill's HC at Texas A&M. There has been a lot of talk about how the Dolphins could really go after Tannehill with their QB problem and a new HC. Sure the Dolphins just signed Garrard to a 1 year deal, but why do you think it was 1 year? My bet is that it is to have a vet in their for a rookie. Tannehill anyone? There is no guarantee that Tannehill is there at 8 with the way his stock is rising and the Dolphins wont want to get leap froged. If the Browns wont trade the 4th pick then its my assumption that they want Tannehill because its very likely one of the big 3 will still be available at 8.
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| Browns are taking Richardson, make no mistake about it. Browns president Mike Holmgren reiterated his commitment to Colt McCoy in a Tuesday radio appearance. Everybody wants to over think about X, Y, and Z possibilities when the matter of the fact is, Richardson is the BPA in the entire draft. What exactly does Tannehill provide for them when they have no weapons already? Its not like he is a polished prospect...... Those stupid Browns didn't re-sign Hillis so we have to settle for Claiborne. Just accept reality. We're not getting Richardson. |
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| indifference wrote: | | Browns are taking Richardson, make no mistake about it. Browns president Mike Holmgren reiterated his commitment to Colt McCoy in a Tuesday radio appearance. Everybody wants to over think about X, Y, and Z possibilities when the matter of the fact is, Richardson is the BPA in the entire draft. What exactly does Tannehill provide for them when they have no weapons already? Its not like he is a polished prospect...... Those stupid Browns didn't re-sign Hillis so we have to settle for Claiborne. Just accept reality. We're not getting Richardson. |
What exactly did Freeman provide us with when we had no weapons in 2010? Wasnt he supposed to be a "project" QB? We had an unproven Mike Williams and Rejus Benn with Blount only playing half the season. Granted K2 was good but what else did we have? The Browns have Josh Cribbs, Mohamad Mossaquoi and Ben Watson. I dont see how what the Browns have now is much different than what we had in 2010. Not to mention the fact that they have another 1st to draft a WR with. Freeman was the reason we won and Tannehill could be the reason the Browns win. McCoy obviously isnt the answer.
Peyton Hillis leaving does not mean the Browns will draft Richardson. Hillis leaving means that he is a moody, weird player that never decided to get his head on strait last year and play. Why would you resign that? Miller, Wilson or Martin would be good picks for them in the 2nd. Browns could go 1a: Tannehill 1b: Kendall Wright / Michael Floyd / Stephen Hill 2: Miller / Wilson / Martin. Its pretty obvious that the offense is the immedieate problem in Cleveland, not defense. They could add 3 big time playmakers and a potential franchise QB in Tannehill by not picking Richardson. Im sure this scenario has gone through their minds already. Dont read too much into Hillis not being resigned and dont automatically "know" that McCoy is a franchise QB cuz he is not.
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