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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 9:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Lack of activity at WR speaks volumes about #3... Reply with quote

LoverInTheCold wrote:
Folks, all the offensive line play in the world means nothing when you have nobody to throw to...


This is where I stopped. I can understand where you're coming from, but if we can give Ponder a full 3 or 4 seconds back there, you'll see the guys we will have can get open.

Just imagine, the greatest offensive linemen are paired together with an above average QB and mediocre WRs. The O-Line man handles the Defense and gives the QB a ridiculous amount of time. Eventually someone will be open, even if it takes 10+ seconds.

Is that the Vikings O-Line with Kalil? Hardly. Have I made my point though? I sure hope so.

There is no need to over think this, just take Kalil.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll give you all my stock in AMD (which is booming) if Blackmon, or any other receiver is taken by us at number 3. If he isn't you have to buy me an extra large Pizza Hut stuffed crust with 20 Wingstreet boneless chicken pieces.

I'll make sure not to eat breakfast or lunch on April 26th. Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think the vikes will draft 2 wrs. one in round 2-4 and one in round 5-7. i see no need to add one in free agency. Its a rebuild year after all and overpaying a player this year isnt the answer.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The way I see it.

Jenkins/Harvin arent the greatest WRs, but its definitely not the worst we have had.

Also include our TEs, its not the perfect crew but compared to the secondary and OLine. I dont think it compares. Unless Blackmon or any WR gets Calvin Johnson type hype, I doubt it.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I think the "safe money" should still be on Kalil, I wouldnt be that shocked to see Claiborne, Floyd or Blackmon picked at #3 instead. The new draft slot pricing has made it much easier to pick need/bpa rather than slot+positional salary (which is why top 3 picks were almost always LT's, QBs, or DE's)

Even though the "hype" isnt there on Michael Floyd, I actually would prefer him over both Kalil and Blackmon, and even Claiborne (and I'm actually a big fan of Claiborne). I think he's the closest thing I've seen to Larry Fitzgerald coming out of college... perhaps not in "demeanor" but at least on field productivity and ability.

I'm also in the camp that thinks Charlie Johnson, while FAR from ideal, is serviceable while both WR and CB are in IMMEDIATE need of a true #1. It is with that in mind, that I think Michael Floyd becomes an immediate impact faster than Claiborne, and probably has a higher ceiling (slightly more athletic and has skills that are rare and nearly unstoppable).

All that said, I do think that Kalil is the most "sure" LT in the draft, while there are likely several good WR's that should be available early round 2 right where the Vikings will be drafting, so even if I like Michael Floyd better than Kalil, Claiborne, or Blackmon, I think its easier to build a "complete" team by taking Kalil at #3 and a WR/CB in round 2.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only WR I would support taking at 3 is Michael Floyd. He has that explosive down field ability that the team is desperate for, i just see Blackmon as a possession receiver at the next level and we've got several of those. Floyd has those soft hands, that ability to pluck the ball out of the air and seems to really project to what the prototype is for a WR taken in the top 10. Though, id still put Floyd behind Kalil, and Claiborne.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Lack of activity at WR speaks volumes about #3... Reply with quote

Nozizaki wrote:
LoverInTheCold wrote:
Folks, all the offensive line play in the world means nothing when you have nobody to throw to...


This is where I stopped. I can understand where you're coming from, but if we can give Ponder a full 3 or 4 seconds back there, you'll see the guys we will have can get open.


Funny, this is where I stopped reading.

Percy Harvin is the only receiver on this roster that can get open consistently and make big-time plays. The likes of "Molasses Mike" Jenkins and Stephen Burton scare no one. The WR situation on this team is not just underwhelming; it is actually deplorable.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harvin is still a better starter than Charlie Johnson and RCB (we dont even have a RCB right now).
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^That hardly matters. WR is a different position in the respect that having a deep corps is what separates you from the pack. Harvin is an elite slot receiver; what you need to anchor your passing game is an elite outside #1.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rpmwr19 wrote:
Percy Harvin, games played in 2011, 16...






I said, games started. Which is 14.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vikingsrule wrote:
The only WR I would support taking at 3 is Michael Floyd. He has that explosive down field ability that the team is desperate for, i just see Blackmon as a possession receiver at the next level and we've got several of those. Floyd has those soft hands, that ability to pluck the ball out of the air and seems to really project to what the prototype is for a WR taken in the top 10. Though, id still put Floyd behind Kalil, and Claiborne.


This^^^^^^

I think the Vikes need a franchise LT badly and should go with Kalil...but i salivate over the the thought of having Floyd on the outside to pair with Harvin, Rudolph, Carlson, and AP...talk about bringing back the Kick_@$$ offense!!!!!!!!!! Shocked
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Lack of activity at WR speaks volumes about #3... Reply with quote

Nozizaki wrote:
Just imagine, the greatest offensive linemen are paired together with an above average QB and mediocre WRs. The O-Line man handles the Defense and gives the QB a ridiculous amount of time. Eventually someone will be open, even if it takes 10+ seconds.

Sounds about like the patriots the first time they won the superbowl, Brady was only an above average qb at that point in most people's eyes.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just because they didnt sign a WR doesnt mean they didnt have interest in one. Its been speculated that they were high on Garcon but when he is getting 21 mil guaranteed, its easy to see why they didnt sign him. There are a ton of successful receivers found in the later rounds or even as UDFAs. Stevie Johnson, Pierre Garcon, Austin Collie, Victor Cruz, Wes Welker, Mike Wallace, Marques Colston. That doesnt even mention 1st or second rounders and most of these are 3rd day picks at the most. Picking a top OT is much safer and they usually have a longer lifespan in the NFL.

Basically what im saying is their actions dont tell us everything. I would be more inclined to take Kalil and get a receiver later. Speilman seems more old school in his philosphy which typically dont take receivers early in the draft either.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silver Bullet wrote:
You can also connect the dots this way... we signed Sage to be Ponder's back-up because we plan to move Joe Webb to WR, which also explains us not wasting money on WR's free agency. For all we know, Joe Webb may be getting trained right now as we speak...
Webb is getting snaps strictly at QB this offseason. Frazier and company has stated that.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just don't understand the need to take a WR at #3 when this draft is loaded with them.

LT and CB at least makes some sense.
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