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Sandybaby716


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with Palmy on this. I think Ted could be the best GM in the game, and clearly has an eye for building a roster. People just fail to admit that he could possibly make a mistake. No one is perfect.

At the time, with Manning and Griffin still on the market, it was certainly a safe move. But now that they're gone, Flynn's price would have gone through the roof.

Maybe we won't get a third rounder for him now. There are a lot of elite FAs this offseason. If we bring in a mid-level free agent, we might lose eligibility for a third. People are fixated on this, much like they were fixated on Jenkins netting a third. Now most agree he's likely a fourth. A late fourth next season.

I would have done the tag and if I needed to traded him for even a 4th or 5th. Sure it wouldn't have been what we expected, but with Miami, Seattle, and Cleveland still having big holes at QB, there would have been some kind of bidding war.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the Packers sign a big name free agent or two early in free agency then not tagging Flynn makes more sense. Could it be that TT needs that cap space to go hard into free agency?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He absolutely made a mistake, people just forgive him for it because of his track record, which Im fine with. Letting value like that just walk out the door for nothing was a big mistake. You had a chance to seriously improve your roster and you didn't, that's a mistake.

Cleveland is probably thanking their lucky stars we didn't, it's either Flynn or Tannehill for them and Ill take Flynn every time.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the information I have, which is very, very little, I felt tagging Flynn should have been a pretty obvious move. Felt for sure we could have moved him for late 1st round value at a minimum.

Maybe TT surprises and makes a big move on the first day of FA or something that he wanted to be able to make sure he could do Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

incognito_man wrote:
From the information I have, which is very, very little, I felt tagging Flynn should have been a pretty obvious move. Felt for sure we could have moved him for late 1st round value at a minimum.

Maybe TT surprises and makes a big move on the first day of FA or something that he wanted to be able to make sure he could do Laughing


IF by some odd chance that happens, then obviously we know what TT's plans were and that he wanted money free early to make a move. Otherwise I agree with you, it seemed like a pretty obvious move.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, I thought it was a major mistake. Flynn has first round value, no doubt about that in my mind. We probably would have had to hold onto him and his tag for a few weeks [let the Skins trade up for RG3, Manning sign], and then we could have reaped the value. I was really disappointed when I heard we didn't tag him. You don't let that kind of value walk out the door, and this may have been one of Thompson's worst moves.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

incognito_man wrote:
From the information I have, which is very, very little, I felt tagging Flynn should have been a pretty obvious move. Felt for sure we could have moved him for late 1st round value at a minimum.

Maybe TT surprises and makes a big move on the first day of FA or something that he wanted to be able to make sure he could do Laughing


.....and give away the only chance at compensation for Flynn?

As far as the first part of that. I can tell you first hand many around the game were shocked. Clearly money was the issue. Maybe not in the way some think though. I'm sure TT new he could trade him at some point. The issue was clearing the table because odds were very high Flynn would have signed that thing in a blink of an eye.
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palmy50 wrote:
incognito_man wrote:
From the information I have, which is very, very little, I felt tagging Flynn should have been a pretty obvious move. Felt for sure we could have moved him for late 1st round value at a minimum.

Maybe TT surprises and makes a big move on the first day of FA or something that he wanted to be able to make sure he could do Laughing


.....and give away the only chance at compensation for Flynn?

As far as the first part of that. I can tell you first hand many around the game were shocked. Clearly money was the issue. Maybe not in the way some think though. I'm sure TT new he could trade him at some point. The issue was clearing the table because odds were very high Flynn would have signed that thing in a blink of an eye.


If (and I highly doubt this is actually the case) he were planning on making a splash in free agency, I think it probably trumps the late 3rd compensatory pick next year.

Clearly I'm more greedy than TT though Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

palmy50 wrote:
incognito_man wrote:
From the information I have, which is very, very little, I felt tagging Flynn should have been a pretty obvious move. Felt for sure we could have moved him for late 1st round value at a minimum.

Maybe TT surprises and makes a big move on the first day of FA or something that he wanted to be able to make sure he could do Laughing


.....and give away the only chance at compensation for Flynn?

As far as the first part of that. I can tell you first hand many around the game were shocked. Clearly money was the issue. Maybe not in the way some think though. I'm sure TT new he could trade him at some point. The issue was clearing the table because odds were very high Flynn would have signed that thing in a blink of an eye.


I know the chances are slim, but what if TT makes a splash like a Pickett or somehow a guy who has a Woodson like impact? I would trade a future 4th for that in a heartbeat. If TT wanted compensation for Flynn, then tag the damn guy, if that's his reason for not looking at FA's then his mistakes will pile up this off-season.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd sacrifice a chance at the possibility of a 3rd round comp pick next year to add quality talent to the roster this year. The Packers have a couple clear holes that could be filled in free agency. If TT has some FA signings in mind I hope he doesn't let the Flynn comp pick stand in his way.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Ted Thompson is one of the few GMs who wouldn't have tagged Matt Flynn. I'd say at least 95% of the GMs would have tagged him if they were in Ted's shoes. Ted's always been honest to his players and they seem to respond well to that and will often sign a "hometown discount" deal to remain in Green Bay.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CWood21 wrote:
I think Ted Thompson is one of the few GMs who wouldn't have tagged Matt Flynn. I'd say at least 95% of the GMs would have tagged him if they were in Ted's shoes. Ted's always been honest to his players and they seem to respond well to that and will often sign a "hometown discount" deal to remain in Green Bay.


If anything tagging Flynn would have been better for him, TT didn't tag him because of the league and the NFLPA wouldn't have liked the use of the tag. Flynn would've loved it, guaranteed 14 million from some team, how could he not?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Packerraymond wrote:
CWood21 wrote:
I think Ted Thompson is one of the few GMs who wouldn't have tagged Matt Flynn. I'd say at least 95% of the GMs would have tagged him if they were in Ted's shoes. Ted's always been honest to his players and they seem to respond well to that and will often sign a "hometown discount" deal to remain in Green Bay.


If anything tagging Flynn would have been better for him, TT didn't tag him because of the league and the NFLPA wouldn't have liked the use of the tag. Flynn would've loved it, guaranteed 14 million from some team, how could he not?


He's going to get a lot more than 14 million wherever he signs in free agency. So Rg3 and Luck are pretty much off the board, and Manning is doing the rounds.
That leaves four of these: Cleveland, Seattle, Miami, Denver, and Kansas City in the QB market with only 1 major guy left (you could say up to 3 with Weeden and Tannehill I guess).
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure TT tried to play his cards to the best of his ability, but in the end, he didnt have enough of what you need the most. Leverage. The only leverage he had was that for the price of a high second round pick, a team wouldnt have to bid for Flynn in FA. I'm guessing that card didnt carry enough weight. If RGIII goes to Washington, Manning goes to Miami, there arent many teams left to bid in an open market.

A team like Cleveland decided they would much rather wait and bid in an open market rather than give up a high second round pick. I would have done the same.

Manning entering the fray, along with the past blunders of Kolb etc certainly didnt help matters. There are teams that are interested in Manning who would not be interested in Flynn
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CWood21 wrote:
I think Ted Thompson is one of the few GMs who wouldn't have tagged Matt Flynn. I'd say at least 95% of the GMs would have tagged him if they were in Ted's shoes. Ted's always been honest to his players and they seem to respond well to that and will often sign a "hometown discount" deal to remain in Green Bay.


I'm just about sure TT is the only GM in the game that would not tag Flynn. To be fair though, that's not an apples to apples comparison. Much more goes into being the GM of a public owned team, no doubt. I'm sure TT feels a great deal of financial responsibility in that position.

Either way, a move I for one feel should have been made.
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