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kris_kapsner
Joined: 22 Jan 2006 Posts: 1117 Location: Duluth, Minnesota
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, Peyton Manning should be in Baltimore's plans.
If Baltimore brought in Peyton, they could either trade Joe or let him walk. Yes, Flacco has had some success. But, many question whether he has the "it" factor it takes to lead a team to a Super Bowl win. Heck, Alex Smith was also in a Championship game last year with a similar team around him...great defense and a strong running game. Nobody questions that "it factor" about Peyton. He has been on sub-par teams, as proven by this last Colt's season without him, and he's won on a consistent basis. Put him on the Ravens and they would be the favorite team in the AFC to go to the Super Bowl hands down.
The Ravens have a 2-3 year window TOPS when it comes to still having Ray Lewis and Ed Reed on the team. They also are staring at that same window with their star RB in Ray Rice who will be 28 and most likely declining after this time span. Some think Boldin is declining, which he seems to be. So, even though he's in his early 30's, the #1 WR has the same window. That's not to say that the Ravens don't have some young players that are very good as well. But, they have to recognize that they have a small window right now with some "all time great" players and it's closing fast.
Peyton would give the Ravens the best chance to win a Super Bowl in the next two seasons. And, he wants to go to a team that has that type of chance to win, not just who will pay him the most. He's made enough money with his contracts already and his endorsements. He now "needs" to catch up to his little brother Eli and get a 2nd Super Bowl ring.
It would also be amazing to see Peyton go from the Indianapolis Colts to Baltimore, home of the Johnny Unitas lead Colts. _________________ Current 16 team PPR dynasty.
QB: Romo, Brady
RB: MJD, McFadden, Stewart, C. Johnson, Lynch, Benson, Mendenhall
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coordinator0
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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Neither Lewis nor Reed are critical to our success anymore. While it would be nice to get a Superbowl with them on the team I think it would be more of a sentimental thing rather than either of those guys contributing enough to get to that point. Reed is m favorite player and it hurts to say it but his play last season wasn't very impressive after the first few weeks and we didn't miss much when Lewis was out either. I'd even argue that Boldin doesn't have a huge impact on the team, he's not a #1 type of receiver and he could be replaced in my opinion. His importance to the team is more related to the fact we don't have much talent at the position rather than him being a great player. I understand the Rice argument but he has almost as much value to the team as a receiver and he shouldn't decline in that area. If we get a quality backup or Allen steps up into that role I don't think we'll see too much of a decline from Rice after 2-3 years.
That's all moot anyways. The Ravens are going to sign Flacco to an extension and he'll be the starter for the next half decade at the least. |
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sp6488 
Joined: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 6230 Location: MD
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| coordinator0 wrote: | | Neither Lewis nor Reed are critical to our success anymore. While it would be nice to get a Superbowl with them on the team I think it would be more of a sentimental thing rather than either of those guys contributing enough to get to that point. Reed is m favorite player and it hurts to say it but his play last season wasn't very impressive after the first few weeks and we didn't miss much when Lewis was out either. I'd even argue that Boldin doesn't have a huge impact on the team, he's not a #1 type of receiver and he could be replaced in my opinion. His importance to the team is more related to the fact we don't have much talent at the position rather than him being a great player. I understand the Rice argument but he has almost as much value to the team as a receiver and he shouldn't decline in that area. If we get a quality backup or Allen steps up into that role I don't think we'll see too much of a decline from Rice after 2-3 years.That's all moot anyways. The Ravens are going to sign Flacco to an extension and he'll be the starter for the next half decade at the least. |
This is the one thing about the Rice deal that hasn't been brought up much. If we give him an long-term deal and he begins to decline after 3 or 4 years, we could certainly move him into more of a split-carries, 3rd down type role to go along with a younger bruiser. _________________
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I won't be sorry when the Ravens finish 8-8. |
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Flaccomania 
Joined: 12 Aug 2008 Posts: 16531 Location: Parkville, MD
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| kris_kapsner wrote: | Yes, Peyton Manning should be in Baltimore's plans.
If Baltimore brought in Peyton, they could either trade Joe or let him walk. Yes, Flacco has had some success. But, many question whether he has the "it" factor it takes to lead a team to a Super Bowl win. Heck, Alex Smith was also in a Championship game last year with a similar team around him...great defense and a strong running game. Nobody questions that "it factor" about Peyton. He has been on sub-par teams, as proven by this last Colt's season without him, and he's won on a consistent basis. Put him on the Ravens and they would be the favorite team in the AFC to go to the Super Bowl hands down.
The Ravens have a 2-3 year window TOPS when it comes to still having Ray Lewis and Ed Reed on the team. They also are staring at that same window with their star RB in Ray Rice who will be 28 and most likely declining after this time span. Some think Boldin is declining, which he seems to be. So, even though he's in his early 30's, the #1 WR has the same window. That's not to say that the Ravens don't have some young players that are very good as well. But, they have to recognize that they have a small window right now with some "all time great" players and it's closing fast.
Peyton would give the Ravens the best chance to win a Super Bowl in the next two seasons. And, he wants to go to a team that has that type of chance to win, not just who will pay him the most. He's made enough money with his contracts already and his endorsements. He now "needs" to catch up to his little brother Eli and get a 2nd Super Bowl ring.
It would also be amazing to see Peyton go from the Indianapolis Colts to Baltimore, home of the Johnny Unitas lead Colts. |
The Ravens don't have a "window" unless you are focusing on solely having Ray/Ed win a ring.
We have a pretty young team believe it or not. Add in how we draft and we're consistent contenders.
There is 0 reason to even entertain bringing Manning in unless we just want to win 1 SB and say "Cool, now let's rebuild."
And the comparison to Alex Smith is absoutely laughable. Let's not act like Joe hasn't lead us to the playoffs every year he's been on the team, and let's not act like he's the reason we haven't continued on the last 2 seasons.
Bottom line: bringing in Peyton would do this team more harm than good long-term, and we aren't a short-term throw it all to the wind team. That's why we're consistent contenders and not just a flash in the pan team. _________________
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Flaccomania 
Joined: 12 Aug 2008 Posts: 16531 Location: Parkville, MD
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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Anyone else find it somewhat funny that the Ravens are seen as such a good fit for Manning, yet the Falcons with Matt Ryan are NEVER mentioned?
Ryan hasn't shown he can get it done in the playoffs, they have a RB who has a ton of carries on his resume, have a HoF TE on his last legs, and lost a lot of their draft picks so re-tooling via the draft isn't such a great option. Yet, nope, Peyton Manning is a better option to replace Flacco because Flacco doesn't have "it" despite his 2 comebacks in the playoffs the last 2 seasons sabotaged by drops, despite his resume of getting it done with the game on the line, and despite being the winningest QB in the history of the NFL in his first 4 seasons.
I swear, if Joe was decent looking with a pretty boy smile, 2 eyebrows, and jumped up and down more while on the field, nobody would say anything that they do about him now. It's flat out silly.
/rant. _________________
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diamondbull424 
 Joined: 02 Dec 2007 Posts: 10016 Location: Baltimore, MD
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Flaccomania wrote: | Anyone else find it somewhat funny that the Ravens are seen as such a good fit for Manning, yet the Falcons with Matt Ryan are NEVER mentioned?
Ryan hasn't shown he can get it done in the playoffs, they have a RB who has a ton of carries on his resume, have a HoF TE on his last legs, and lost a lot of their draft picks so re-tooling via the draft isn't such a great option. Yet, nope, Peyton Manning is a better option to replace Flacco because Flacco doesn't have "it" despite his 2 comebacks in the playoffs the last 2 seasons sabotaged by drops, despite his resume of getting it done with the game on the line, and despite being the winningest QB in the history of the NFL in his first 4 seasons.
I swear, if Joe was decent looking with a pretty boy smile, 2 eyebrows, and jumped up and down more while on the field, nobody would say anything that they do about him now. It's flat out silly.
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Probably because the Falcons have a horrible defense, while the Ravings have a really good one. People want to see Peyton as a Super Hero the can combine with a great defense to form an Avengers type of Super Team.
I just think it sucks that all that time we were so focused on looking for old veterans to play QB (since Boller sucked) while our defense was amazing our best shot was Steve McNair on his last legs. Yet now that Peyton Manning is available, we finally have a solid QB option.  _________________
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Baixis
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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| I would sign Manning in a heartbeat! I don't care how much you like Joe or support Joe, no one can honestly say he is better than Manning, or even that he is a great QB! Sign Peyton, and trade Joe for 1st. Use that 1st or a 2nd to draft Tannehill or another QB to groom behind Manning for a couple years, and MOVE ON from Flacco! Joe may be decent, but that's all he will ever be! Even if Manning got hit and put out in week 1, I would still favor this plan, because it's the perfect way to separate this great organization from the ho-hum Joe! |
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SnA ExclusiVe 
Joined: 01 Jun 2011 Posts: 10583 Location: Spokane, WA
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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The only way I could see Peyton coming here is if Flacco was serious about his $15 million contract and Ozzie just says no, releases him and Peyton comes here to replace Joe while we look for another QB.
However, the chances of that happening (thankfully) are probably around .00001%. _________________
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BrandonK
Joined: 07 Mar 2012 Posts: 14
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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| SnA ExclusiVe wrote: | The only way I could see Peyton coming here is if Flacco was serious about his $15 million contract and Ozzie just says no, releases him and Peyton comes here to replace Joe while we look for another QB.
However, the chances of that happening (thankfully) are probably around .00001%. |
I'd also take into account the 'value' Flacco would get on the trade market. I could see a team giving two-1st rounders for him, if not more. If Flacco holds to his $15 million demands, and Manning really is willing to sign at the minimum...
Realistically, Manning probably has 2-3 years left. I think Taylor would grow so much learning behind Manning, making him an even more valuable player.
I'm not pinning for a signing of Manning, but I don't think it should be tossed aside. |
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sp6488 
Joined: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 6230 Location: MD
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:13 am Post subject: |
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| BrandonK wrote: | | SnA ExclusiVe wrote: | The only way I could see Peyton coming here is if Flacco was serious about his $15 million contract and Ozzie just says no, releases him and Peyton comes here to replace Joe while we look for another QB.
However, the chances of that happening (thankfully) are probably around .00001%. |
I'd also take into account the 'value' Flacco would get on the trade market. I could see a team giving two-1st rounders for him, if not more. If Flacco holds to his $15 million demands, and Manning really is willing to sign at the minimum...
Realistically, Manning probably has 2-3 years left. I think Taylor would grow so much learning behind Manning, making him an even more valuable player.
I'm not pinning for a signing of Manning, but I don't think it should be tossed aside. |
Welcome to the forum.
That being said... man was a 6th rounder for a reason. _________________
| Tzimisce wrote: | I'm sorry you're drowning in a sea of delusion.
I won't be sorry when the Ravens finish 8-8. |
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Flaccomania 
Joined: 12 Aug 2008 Posts: 16531 Location: Parkville, MD
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:17 am Post subject: |
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| Baixis wrote: | | I would sign Manning in a heartbeat! I don't care how much you like Joe or support Joe, no one can honestly say he is better than Manning, or even that he is a great QB! Sign Peyton, and trade Joe for 1st. Use that 1st or a 2nd to draft Tannehill or another QB to groom behind Manning for a couple years, and MOVE ON from Flacco! Joe may be decent, but that's all he will ever be! Even if Manning got hit and put out in week 1, I would still favor this plan, because it's the perfect way to separate this great organization from the ho-hum Joe! |
And more logic to think we can just find another Joe Flacco in the draft easily.
The dude performs. Who cares that he's "ho hum"?
Absolutely boggles my mind. I swear he and Eli get the same hate, except now since Eli has won twice. Yet guys like Stafford, Ryan, hell even Josh Freeman get the love because they are exciting. _________________
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Flaccomania 
Joined: 12 Aug 2008 Posts: 16531 Location: Parkville, MD
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:19 am Post subject: |
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| sp6488 wrote: | | BrandonK wrote: | | SnA ExclusiVe wrote: | The only way I could see Peyton coming here is if Flacco was serious about his $15 million contract and Ozzie just says no, releases him and Peyton comes here to replace Joe while we look for another QB.
However, the chances of that happening (thankfully) are probably around .00001%. |
I'd also take into account the 'value' Flacco would get on the trade market. I could see a team giving two-1st rounders for him, if not more. If Flacco holds to his $15 million demands, and Manning really is willing to sign at the minimum...
Realistically, Manning probably has 2-3 years left. I think Taylor would grow so much learning behind Manning, making him an even more valuable player.
I'm not pinning for a signing of Manning, but I don't think it should be tossed aside. |
Welcome to the forum.
That being said... man was a 6th rounder for a reason. |
Exactly. I use the same logic for Matt Flynn too for those who think he's going to just be a franchise QB after 2 games worth of tape.
And second of all, Flacco isn't sitting tight on $15m/year. It's negotiations. Of course they come in high.
And Manning isn't going to sign for the minimum. Not a chance. Hell, I doubt we see him sign for less than $12m/year minimum, and more likely $15m+.
Joe is our QB. Plain and simple, and he is not only our best option for this year, but our best option long term. _________________
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RAVINGMADD 
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:57 am Post subject: |
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| diamondbull424 wrote: | | Flaccomania wrote: | Anyone else find it somewhat funny that the Ravens are seen as such a good fit for Manning, yet the Falcons with Matt Ryan are NEVER mentioned?
Ryan hasn't shown he can get it done in the playoffs, they have a RB who has a ton of carries on his resume, have a HoF TE on his last legs, and lost a lot of their draft picks so re-tooling via the draft isn't such a great option. Yet, nope, Peyton Manning is a better option to replace Flacco because Flacco doesn't have "it" despite his 2 comebacks in the playoffs the last 2 seasons sabotaged by drops, despite his resume of getting it done with the game on the line, and despite being the winningest QB in the history of the NFL in his first 4 seasons.
I swear, if Joe was decent looking with a pretty boy smile, 2 eyebrows, and jumped up and down more while on the field, nobody would say anything that they do about him now. It's flat out silly.
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Probably because the Falcons have a horrible defense, while the Ravings have a really good one. People want to see Peyton as a Super Hero the can combine with a great defense to form an Avengers type of Super Team.
I just think it sucks that all that time we were so focused on looking for old veterans to play QB (since Boller sucked) while our defense was amazing our best shot was Steve McNair on his last legs. Yet now that Peyton Manning is available, we finally have a solid QB option.  |
Yeah if Manning was available back then we would have probably won a few Super Bowls by now. We certainly wouldn't have lost to the Colts in 06 and 09. But there's certainly no reason to go after him now. |
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RAVINGMADD 
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:09 am Post subject: |
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| Baixis wrote: | | I would sign Manning in a heartbeat! I don't care how much you like Joe or support Joe, no one can honestly say he is better than Manning, or even that he is a great QB! Sign Peyton, and trade Joe for 1st. Use that 1st or a 2nd to draft Tannehill or another QB to groom behind Manning for a couple years, and MOVE ON from Flacco! Joe may be decent, but that's all he will ever be! Even if Manning got hit and put out in week 1, I would still favor this plan, because it's the perfect way to separate this great organization from the ho-hum Joe! |
I guess you forgot about the AFCCG. He was certainly a bit better than ho-hum or decent. I don't blame you (I'd like to forget about that game too), but Joe certainly wasn't the reason we lost. I wasn't a huge supporter of Flacco before that game and I might have agreed with you had he not made that comeback at the end. But after the way he played in that game and the way he's played in clutch situations for the past two years, I'm fully behind Joe Flacco. Sure he may never put up a ton of stats, but the guy has a great arm with potential to put up some pretty good numbers, and he's shown the ability to make the comeback drive at the end of the game. If he had more ability to break tackles, the guy would be just as good as Big Ben. |
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Flaccomania 
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:41 am Post subject: |
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| RAVINGMADD wrote: | | Baixis wrote: | | I would sign Manning in a heartbeat! I don't care how much you like Joe or support Joe, no one can honestly say he is better than Manning, or even that he is a great QB! Sign Peyton, and trade Joe for 1st. Use that 1st or a 2nd to draft Tannehill or another QB to groom behind Manning for a couple years, and MOVE ON from Flacco! Joe may be decent, but that's all he will ever be! Even if Manning got hit and put out in week 1, I would still favor this plan, because it's the perfect way to separate this great organization from the ho-hum Joe! |
I guess you forgot about the AFCCG. He was certainly a bit better than ho-hum or decent. I don't blame you (I'd like to forget about that game too), but Joe certainly wasn't the reason we lost. I wasn't a huge supporter of Flacco before that game and I might have agreed with you had he not made that comeback at the end. But after the way he played in that game and the way he's played in clutch situations for the past two years, I'm fully behind Joe Flacco. Sure he may never put up a ton of stats, but the guy has a great arm with potential to put up some pretty good numbers, and he's shown the ability to make the comeback drive at the end of the game. If he had more ability to break tackles, the guy would be just as good as Big Ben. |
Thank you.
When Joe is able to get into a rhythm and focus on being efficient rather than take big shots down field, he's easily a top 10 QB in the league. It's when we have a lead or early in games and he's asked to take 7 step drops and wait for routes to develop that he struggles. As soon as it gets to crunch time and we need a 2 minute drill, there's very few QBs in the NFL I'd take over Flacco. He did it in Pittsburgh last year in the playoffs but didn't come through due to drops, he did it against Pittsburgh on the road this season, and he did it once again in New England this year in the playoffs. Joe is big in big situations. It's amazing the hate the dude gets. _________________
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