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Dashing. I think of all the possible scenarios of us getting a new qb next year the only one I'd truly hate Is trading for Sanchez. I'd rather go with Rex or Beck this year, and draft a qb top 10 next year that's better than Tanehill, than to have to trade for Sanchez, that's how much I loathe that idea.
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As has already been pointed out, we take Kalil in this situation and don't look back. I don't really want an OT at #6, but if it's Kalil, that's a different ballgame. I think he's a better prospect than Trent, hands down, and we'd have easily the most talented OT duo in the league with such a selection.
But let's say Shanny doesn't want to invest so much in two OTs. There will be someone willing to move up for Kalil. Probably willing to pay a nice bounty for it, in fact. Let's say Buffalo loses Demetrius Bell and has absolutely zip at LT to protect their investment in Fitzpatrick. They'd be in a real pinch, and I could easily see them making a power move to secure a guy like Kalil. Same deal with teams like Arizona. Maybe even Carolina, given that Jordan Gross isn't getting any younger. They might want to put Kalil on the same line as his brother.
Point is, a guy like Kalil being at your pick isn't a nightmare. In my view, the nightmare is a situation where MIA goes Griffin at 2, MIN goes Kalil at 3, CLE goes Blackmon at 4, and TB goes Claiborne at 5. Then we're stuck looking at Tannehill or Reiff at 6. And I hate that situation. Either one is a serious overdraft.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:36 am Post subject: Re: What do you do in the case of a nightmare? |
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| Macho Man wrote: | Just to jump to the darkside here for a little bit and be really pessimistic on everything that could go wrong lets take a look at the worst case scenario.
1. Peyton Manning signs with the Jets
2. Matt Flynn signs with Kansas City.
3. Miami trades up to #2
4. Cleveland takes Tannehill at #4
5. Both Blackmon and Claiborne are off the board.
6. And now if these 5 things happen and we are sitting at 6 and if no other team is interested in moving up to our pick what in the hell are we supposed to do?
Just to throw my 2 cent in the ring I think we have to take Richardson, I know its not a dire need but at this point I say you go BPA and he definately would be to me.
The other question then is do we go in to next year with Grossman, sign Orton or draft Wheeden or Cousins in the 2nd.
To throw my other 2 cents in (got paid today, can afford it) I hate to say it but I believe we should target Jason Campbell. Im just sayin |
This would certainly be a tough spot for us, for sure.
Hypothetically, if this were to happen?
This is what i would do.
I would imagine mark Sanchez would be a free agent.
I would sign him up & it would probably be fairly reasonable as well.
(I agree with many people...I think he sucks)
But I would take the chance ANYWAYS...
The dude is still young and only 25 yrs old.
Sometimes a change of scenery, does Players an specially QB's a world of good.
See IE Jason campbell, as we all bagged on him for yrs.
With the crap he's going through in N.Y. I would definitley take a shot at him.
No DAFT PICKS and just money? Absolutely!
BUT..I wouldn't put all my eggs in that basket.
I would sign Kyle Orton as a backup.
He's not great, but i do think he's a little better than Grossman. (or..maybe just re-sign Grossman, which is a thought as well) Beck sucks so no...
I mean..we did sweep the Giants with Grossman.
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Sign FA Mark Sanchez
Sign FA Kyle Orton (or Rex Grossman)
Then I trade down in the draft (stock up for next yr, or pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd this yr.)
Target ILB D. Hightower from Alabama on the trade down.
If by some chance....none of this happens or for some reason can't happen.
For whatever the circumstances are.
And we go into the draft with no QB.
Not very many good options...
I make one last play...
1 final move that possibly gets us a QB, when all doom and sadness has set in.
I offer the Saints our #6 Pick for QB Drew Brees
(With a contract to go with it of course on trade)
By then, they will be screwed and punished by Goodell and not have any picks left perhaps?
Drew Brees is unhappy getting the tag & with all this Bountygate crap going on, he probably would like to get out...but can't.
The saints would be in a deperate situation with an unhappy QB and no draft picks.
I offer our #6 pick and no more for 33 yr old Brees.
I do it during the draft, so to catch everyone else off guard.
It's a take it, or leave it offer to the Saints.
I would only do this, if all options are unavailable and we screwed.
i mean...who would you rather have?
A 28 yr old Brandon Weeden for a 2nd rounder
or a 33 yr old HOFer in Brees for the #6?
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| e16bball wrote: | As has already been pointed out, we take Kalil in this situation and don't look back. I don't really want an OT at #6, but if it's Kalil, that's a different ballgame. I think he's a better prospect than Trent, hands down, and we'd have easily the most talented OT duo in the league with such a selection.
But let's say Shanny doesn't want to invest so much in two OTs. There will be someone willing to move up for Kalil. Probably willing to pay a nice bounty for it, in fact. Let's say Buffalo loses Demetrius Bell and has absolutely zip at LT to protect their investment in Fitzpatrick. They'd be in a real pinch, and I could easily see them making a power move to secure a guy like Kalil. Same deal with teams like Arizona. Maybe even Carolina, given that Jordan Gross isn't getting any younger. They might want to put Kalil on the same line as his brother.
Point is, a guy like Kalil being at your pick isn't a nightmare. In my view, the nightmare is a situation where MIA goes Griffin at 2, MIN goes Kalil at 3, CLE goes Blackmon at 4, and TB goes Claiborne at 5. Then we're stuck looking at Tannehill or Reiff at 6. And I hate that situation. Either one is a serious overdraft. |
or Floyd. 
My question though is, if this scenario played out, who isn't an overdraft at 6?
I'm trying to figure that one out. I agree about Tanehill (even he though does appear he could be worthy becauae of the talent available when we draft) but after him I'm not sure who is an overdraft. In this draft there are potentially 6'elite prospects and then a bunch of good prospects that have potential to be great. It's not too much different than last years draft in that way. I know in this scenario everyone wants to trade down (easier said than done) but what if we arent able to trade out of 6 and Richardson is the only elite talent available?
What I'm saying is, guys like Reiff, Floyd, Ingram, Kuechley, Martin, Coples must be worthy of the #6 pick because that's how this draft plays out. Maybe in past drafts they wouldn't be worthy of #6 but in this draft they are what's available at 6. We also have had discussions in ff every year how how guys aren't worthy of top 15 picks or whatever. Last years discussion was over guys like JJ Watt, Julio Jones, Aldon Smith, Robert Quinn, Tyron Smith, Ryan Kerrigan people were all questioning if they were worthy of their selections and they proved to be in the end.
The players that are available at the time of the selection determine if that guy is or isn't worthy of the selection. In this draft, unfortunately for us Floyd, Reiff, Kuechley, Martin and probably even Tanehill (even though I don't want to admit it) seem worthy of the #6 selection based on the talent available when we pick.
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| Quote: | 3. Passed on drafting Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger, Aaron Rodgers and Joe Flacco
So did 31 other teams?, we had Ramsey still when Reothlisberger went by, no one knew anything about Aaron Rodgers, and in 08 we had to give Campbell time to see if he'd come around. |
what do you mean nobody knew anything about Rodgers? He was invited to the draft. He was supposed to be the first or second QB off the boards.
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As easy as it is to say its just as hard to do vut I trade back draft Floyd out of ND and in the 2nd I get stephen Gilmore and the best OLinemen at right tackle and goCousins in the 3rd. And if we have a bad season again then we go Tyler Wilson or Barkley which ever player player is in our range and I feel we would have so much young talent that our team would really be in a position to contend with a young guy. And if Cousins suprises and actually plays and does good then we are free to make a luxury pick next year and that would be awsome
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Quick Question....Not to try and pick a fight with anyone, I'm really asking for information purposes....working on a few "Nightmare Scenario's" posts for some other rooms....
What would the skins do if Manning- AZ, Flynn- MIA and the draft goes
Indy- Luck
Stl- Blackmon
Minn-Kalil
Browns- RGIII
Trade Sea- Tannyhill
What do the skins do in this scenario?
Anyone offended please forgive the offense, as it was not the intention, I just really wanted to know what Skins nations thinks in this scenario.
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| DaWg_LB. wrote: | Quick Question....Not to try and pick a fight with anyone, I'm really asking for information purposes....working on a few "Nightmare Scenario's" posts for some other rooms....
What would the skins do if Manning- AZ, Flynn- MIA and the draft goes
Indy- Luck
Stl- Blackmon
Minn-Kalil
Browns- RGIII
Trade Sea- Tannyhill
What do the skins do in this scenario?
Anyone offended please forgive the offense, as it was not the intention, I just really wanted to know what Skins nations thinks in this scenario. |
Claiborne without a doubt. We need a true #1 CB something fierce.
Maybe trade back. But I wouldn't pass Claiborne up.
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| skinsfanLA wrote: | | Quote: | 3. Passed on drafting Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger, Aaron Rodgers and Joe Flacco
So did 31 other teams?, we had Ramsey still when Reothlisberger went by, no one knew anything about Aaron Rodgers, and in 08 we had to give Campbell time to see if he'd come around. |
what do you mean nobody knew anything about Rodgers? He was invited to the draft. He was supposed to be the first or second QB off the boards. |
Exactly, nice to hear someone else realize this. I guess people just weren't around back then or whatever or don't remember.
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turtle28
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| skinsfanLA wrote: | | DaWg_LB. wrote: | Quick Question....Not to try and pick a fight with anyone, I'm really asking for information purposes....working on a few "Nightmare Scenario's" posts for some other rooms....
What would the skins do if Manning- AZ, Flynn- MIA and the draft goes
Indy- Luck
Stl- Blackmon
Minn-Kalil
Browns- RGIII
Trade Sea- Tannyhill
What do the skins do in this scenario?
Anyone offended please forgive the offense, as it was not the intention, I just really wanted to know what Skins nations thinks in this scenario. |
Claiborne without a doubt. We need a true #1 CB something fierce.
Maybe trade back. But I wouldn't pass Claiborne up. |
This. Dawg_LB you can read through about 10 threads in this forum and get our thoughts but I agree with Skinsfanla definitely Claiborne, best available player and a position we need.
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| turtle28 wrote: | | skinsfanLA wrote: | | Quote: | 3. Passed on drafting Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger, Aaron Rodgers and Joe Flacco
So did 31 other teams?, we had Ramsey still when Reothlisberger went by, no one knew anything about Aaron Rodgers, and in 08 we had to give Campbell time to see if he'd come around. |
what do you mean nobody knew anything about Rodgers? He was invited to the draft. He was supposed to be the first or second QB off the boards. |
Exactly, nice to hear someone else realize this. I guess people just weren't around back then or whatever or don't remember. |
I remember...I was really embarrassed for him. Like, really embarrassed as he slipped into the late teens. Then I started wondering if the Skins could trade up for him.
BAM, we traded up and BAM he was drafted right before our pick. Making us draft Campbell. (who we were probably expecting to draft anyway).
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| ripsean21 wrote: | | As easy as it is to say its just as hard to do vut I trade back draft Floyd out of ND and in the 2nd I get stephen Gilmore and the best OLinemen at right tackle and goCousins in the 3rd. And if we have a bad season again then we go Tyler Wilson or Barkley which ever player player is in our range and I feel we would have so much young talent that our team would really be in a position to contend with a young guy. And if Cousins suprises and actually plays and does good then we are free to make a luxury pick next year and that would be awsome |
I've been reading up on Gilmore lately and he showed a lot of athleticism and skill at the combine. People used to have him in the 2nd, now they have him mid to late 1st and possibly the second DB off the board after Claiborne. I've always liked the guy and was pleased he could be there in the 2nd if we wanted to go cb, but it seems by current projections (which could obviously change) that he likely won't be. Let's hope he falls though because he's a DB and return guy that I do love and have for years when I've watched south Carolina games.
The last scenario could actually be what we do but it's going to be a tough one to swallow.
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| skinsfanLA wrote: | | turtle28 wrote: | | skinsfanLA wrote: | | Quote: | 3. Passed on drafting Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger, Aaron Rodgers and Joe Flacco
So did 31 other teams?, we had Ramsey still when Reothlisberger went by, no one knew anything about Aaron Rodgers, and in 08 we had to give Campbell time to see if he'd come around. |
what do you mean nobody knew anything about Rodgers? He was invited to the draft. He was supposed to be the first or second QB off the boards. |
Exactly, nice to hear someone else realize this. I guess people just weren't around back then or whatever or don't remember. |
I remember...I was really embarrassed for him. Like, really embarrassed as he slipped into the late teens. Then I started wondering if the Skins could trade up for him.
BAM, we traded up and BAM he was drafted right before our pick. Making us draft Campbell. (who we were probably expecting to draft anyway). |
Yep.
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| skinsfanLA wrote: | | turtle28 wrote: | | skinsfanLA wrote: | | Quote: | 3. Passed on drafting Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger, Aaron Rodgers and Joe Flacco
So did 31 other teams?, we had Ramsey still when Reothlisberger went by, no one knew anything about Aaron Rodgers, and in 08 we had to give Campbell time to see if he'd come around. |
what do you mean nobody knew anything about Rodgers? He was invited to the draft. He was supposed to be the first or second QB off the boards. |
Exactly, nice to hear someone else realize this. I guess people just weren't around back then or whatever or don't remember. |
I remember...I was really embarrassed for him. Like, really embarrassed as he slipped into the late teens. Then I started wondering if the Skins could trade up for him.
BAM, we traded up and BAM he was drafted right before our pick. Making us draft Campbell. (who we were probably expecting to draft anyway). |
I was at that draft, and it was really awkward with Rodgers. Big ovation when he was drafted because everyone really wanted the slide down the board to stop.
He was my #1 pick that year in my mock draft, so it isn't like no one knew who he was.
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| turtle28 wrote: | | e16bball wrote: | As has already been pointed out, we take Kalil in this situation and don't look back. I don't really want an OT at #6, but if it's Kalil, that's a different ballgame. I think he's a better prospect than Trent, hands down, and we'd have easily the most talented OT duo in the league with such a selection.
But let's say Shanny doesn't want to invest so much in two OTs. There will be someone willing to move up for Kalil. Probably willing to pay a nice bounty for it, in fact. Let's say Buffalo loses Demetrius Bell and has absolutely zip at LT to protect their investment in Fitzpatrick. They'd be in a real pinch, and I could easily see them making a power move to secure a guy like Kalil. Same deal with teams like Arizona. Maybe even Carolina, given that Jordan Gross isn't getting any younger. They might want to put Kalil on the same line as his brother.
Point is, a guy like Kalil being at your pick isn't a nightmare. In my view, the nightmare is a situation where MIA goes Griffin at 2, MIN goes Kalil at 3, CLE goes Blackmon at 4, and TB goes Claiborne at 5. Then we're stuck looking at Tannehill or Reiff at 6. And I hate that situation. Either one is a serious overdraft. |
or Floyd.
My question though is, if this scenario played out, who isn't an overdraft at 6?
I'm trying to figure that one out. I agree about Tanehill (even he though does appear he could be worthy becauae of the talent available when we draft) but after him I'm not sure who is an overdraft. In this draft there are potentially 6'elite prospects and then a bunch of good prospects that have potential to be great. It's not too much different than last years draft in that way. I know in this scenario everyone wants to trade down (easier said than done) but what if we arent able to trade out of 6 and Richardson is the only elite talent available?
What I'm saying is, guys like Reiff, Floyd, Ingram, Kuechley, Martin, Coples must be worthy of the #6 pick because that's how this draft plays out. Maybe in past drafts they wouldn't be worthy of #6 but in this draft they are what's available at 6. We also have had discussions in ff every year how how guys aren't worthy of top 15 picks or whatever. Last years discussion was over guys like JJ Watt, Julio Jones, Aldon Smith, Robert Quinn, Tyron Smith, Ryan Kerrigan people were all questioning if they were worthy of their selections and they proved to be in the end.
The players that are available at the time of the selection determine if that guy is or isn't worthy of the selection. In this draft, unfortunately for us Floyd, Reiff, Kuechley, Martin and probably even Tanehill (even though I don't want to admit it) seem worthy of the #6 selection based on the talent available when we pick. |
turtle, this is a really good point. The truth is, it might be hard to complain about an overdraft in that situation because it's just the reality of a talent drop-off after the first 5. The truth is, there are 6 elite prospects in this draft and one of them is Trent Richardson. I could use this moment to again bring up meaningless late-season wins that move teams down the draft order, but I suspect that's already been talked to death.
I have to be honest, I absolutely hate taking RBs in the 1st round, especially with Shanny running the show, but a part of me would be really inclined to just take Richardson there. It would kill me to pass on a guy I have with something like a 98 grade for a RT with a 90-91 grade or a QB with an 86-88 grade.
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