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MaddHatter
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 Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:32 am Post subject: David DeCastro vs. Steve Hutchinson as a Prospect |
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Just curious how Double D matches up to Steve as a prospect coming into the league.
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jrry32
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:10 am Post subject: |
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It's a long way back to go but I think Hutchinson had better feet, that's about it. I know they looked at Hutch as a LT for some teams...but overall, I think they're quite similar.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:59 am Post subject: |
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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/17469105/stanford-guard-decastro-has-upside-but-is-he-worth-a-firstround-risk
| Quote: | He said for his team to take a guard in the first round instead of a left tackle, he has to be as good as Steve Hutchinson was coming out of Michigan, and I'm not real sure DeCastro is in that conversation.
So I went back and watched more tape on DeCastro. I got a chance to watch the Stanford-Oklahoma State game last night with an offensive line coach. He pointed out three things that would concern me as it relates to a first-round grade.
The film indicated DeCastro is a physical guy who really likes to punish a defender when he gets the chance, but saying that, he gets himself in trouble with his overaggressiveness. DeCastro was on the ground six times during the game, usually from an overaggressive technique, and as the line coach pointed out, "That could wind up being 8-10 times in an NFL game."
I know David is a smart player and understands he must control his tempo and trust his technique. Easier said than done, especially for first-round picks who line up as starters in Week 1.
Secondly, DeCastro tends to play too high in his pass sets at times, and is susceptible to a bull rush that will push him back into the QB. He must be more consistent dropping his weight, bending his ankles and knees, and winning the leverage game.
Third, there was a play when DeCastro set for pass protection and the defender vacated and was uncovered. As he waited for the blitzer, he was fooled by a head fake and went to the ground.
Again, when thinking about a first-round guard, there really can't be these kinds of issues. During some of his drill work at the combine, he slipped to the ground, which my line-coach friend was quick to point out. |
Its Pat Kirwan so take with a grain of salt.
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MaddHatter
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:16 am Post subject: |
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One of the worst articles I've read and I really doubt his ability to scout OL. I think DeCastro has a better shot of going top 10 than he does falling out of the first.
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UPlay2Win
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:13 am Post subject: |
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An entire game and all he can find is overaggressiveness and one fall to the ground - nothing that affected the play negatively?
This article is DeCastro's biggest compliment yet.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:30 am Post subject: |
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This article should be taken very seriously and frankly Decastro shouldn't go before 17 
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| It shocks me how people are willing to just flat out discredit an article just because a certain journalist wrote it. Did anyone pay attention to te fact that he mentions talking to an offensive line coach? A coach that knows a hell of a lot more than any of us do on O-line play. That its that coaches concerns, not Kirwans? But no, people would rather make sure their opinion coincides with others on this forum than have their own. |
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| THE DUKE wrote: | | This article should be taken very seriously and frankly Decastro shouldn't go before 17 |
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THE DUKE
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| PacAttack04 wrote: | | It shocks me how people are willing to just flat out discredit an article just because a certain journalist wrote it. Did anyone pay attention to te fact that he mentions talking to an offensive line coach? A coach that knows a hell of a lot more than any of us do on O-line play. That its that coaches concerns, not Kirwans? But no, people would rather make sure their opinion coincides with others on this forum than have their own. |
And if you go back and nit picked through Walter Jones, Nick Mangold, Orlando Pace, Steve Hutchison or Joe Thomas' college career you'd find plays that weren't perfect as well.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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| FootballsFuture wrote: | STEVE HUTCHINSON
By: Dave-Te' Thomas
#76-STEVE HUTCHINSON University of Michigan Wolverines 6:04.6-306
ANALYSIS
Positives... Fifth-year senior with the sudden burst off the snap needed to ride the defenders out...Has good movement skills blocking upfield...Shows good hip swerve and sinking ability when dropping back in pass protection...Makes proper hand adjust-ment to sustain blocks...Gets excellent pad level in his motions as a drive blocker... Accelerates out of his stance sharply and does a great job of turning and sealing the opponent in in-line blocking situations for the ground game...Stands flat-footed with a solid lower base to effectively neutralize the surge in pass defender away from the play...Has superb redirection ability to get a piece of another defender after making the initial block.
Negatives... Looks a little awkward with his foot movements when trying to adjust to the line-backers blocking upfield...Needs to maintain balance on the move, as he tends to overextend in order to stay with his man, resulting in the defender's hand slaps knocking him off stride...Ducks his head before making initial contact.
CAREER NOTES
The two-time team captain has started 45 games at the left guard position for the Wolverines in the last four years...Joined left tackle Jeff Backus in giving Michigan the best blocking tandem in the collegiate ranks...Was originally recruited as a defensive tackle, after starring at that position, in addition to tight end, during his prep days...His 45 career starts rank fifth in school history among offensive linemen...Became the second player in school history to earn first-team All-Big Ten Conference honors four times, joining defensive tackle Mark Messner (1985-88) and joined Messner, Michigan State punter Ray Stackhowitz (1977-80) and Purdue offensive guard - Barwegan (1943-46) as the only Big Ten performers to earn first-team conference honors in every year that they played for their schools... Made 28 touchdown-resulting blocks and 286 knockdowns in 47 games, participating in 3189 plays. |
| Charlie Campbell wrote: | David DeCastro, 6-5/310
Guard
Stanford
Strengths:
Elite run blocker
Powerful drive blocker
Great at pulling
Hits blocks on second level of defense
Mobile and athletic
Intelligent
Great technique with hand placement
Textbook knee bend
Rock-solid pass protector
Proven leader; passion for the game
Winner at collegiate level
Durable, experienced 3-year starter
Weaknesses:
Was not challenged by good group of pass-rushers
Summary: David DeCastro has been a dominant force for Stanford the past few years. He has been Stanford's featured run blocker, as they averaged 213.8 yards on the ground in 2010 and 208 yards per game this season. Last year he was a second-team All-American and moved up to the first-team in 2011. DeCastro is fabulous at pulling and setting the edge. He can drive block and ride defenders around the field. DeCastro is quick and gets upfield to hit blocks on linebackers. He also is very effective on screen plays. He is a pure road-grader on the ground.
In pass protection, DeCastro slides well. Bull rushes are completely ineffective as he has a strong base and anchors with ease. With his quickness and athleticism to fire back, quick three-technique pass-rushers struggle against DeCastro.
DeCastro only had a few reps this year against Washington's massive defensive tackle Alameda Ta'amu, but DeCastro won all of the reps. Stanford ran for 446 yards in the game.
Player Comparison: Steve Hutchinson. Hutchinson has been one of the best guards in the NFL over the past decade and justified being a top-20 pick. Both DeCastro and Hutchinson are well-rounded players. Hutchinson has been a fabulous run blocker and solid pass protector. DeCastro looks like he should be a similar player at the next level.
DeCastro looks like a mid first-round pick just like Hutchinson. In the 2001 NFL Draft, Hutchinson was the 17th-overall pick by the Seahawks. DeCastro should go in the same range this year. |
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| MaddHatter wrote: | | One of the worst articles I've read and I really doubt his ability to scout OL. I think DeCastro has a better shot of going top 10 than he does falling out of the first. |
I couldn't agree more..I wouldn't be surprised if he went as high as #7 to Jacksonville..But if he somehow made it to Chicago, I can't see how they would pass on him. No chance of him making it out of the 1st
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| THE DUKE wrote: | | PacAttack04 wrote: | | It shocks me how people are willing to just flat out discredit an article just because a certain journalist wrote it. Did anyone pay attention to te fact that he mentions talking to an offensive line coach? A coach that knows a hell of a lot more than any of us do on O-line play. That its that coaches concerns, not Kirwans? But no, people would rather make sure their opinion coincides with others on this forum than have their own. |
And if you go back and nit picked through Walter Jones, Nick Mangold, Orlando Pace, Steve Hutchison or Joe Thomas' college career you'd find plays that weren't perfect as well. |
I know. But people just automatically discredit the article because he does point out flaws in DeCastro. Those are flaws that translate to the next level. But no, everyone think DeCastro is a dominant OG in the NFL day one because he dominated in college. No one even seems to consider the possibility he might just be an average OG and I think its just because the majority of people are considering that he is a dominant OG and they are just going along with the group.
I personally dont even think DeCastro is the first OG off the board. I think Cordy Glenn goes higher than him or definitely should. Though I do see Glenn being considered a RT by some teams. |
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MaddHatter
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Sorry PacAttack but that's a stretch. His technique is flawless, his footwork excellent, and other than maybe a better anchor (easy fix in a weight room) he's near flawless. he dominated everyone he faced while Glenn has many flaws including his footwork and got beat several times by Coples at the sr bowl and through out the year. His RT potential is what has him in the first round, otherwise he's a second round prospect.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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With the importance of having a good OL even higher with the DLs being overhauled for pass-rushing, Decastro probably still goes Top-17
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| MaddHatter wrote: | | Sorry PacAttack but that's a stretch. His technique is flawless, his footwork excellent, and other than maybe a better anchor (easy fix in a weight room) he's near flawless. he dominated everyone he faced while Glenn has many flaws including his footwork and got beat several times by Coples at the sr bowl and through out the year. His RT potential is what has him in the first round, otherwise he's a second round prospect. |
But that what also makes him a low upside prospect. Glenn just flat out will be able to do things physically that Castro can't. In terms of power, Glenn would always have the advantage. He's just naturally big and it's hard let to push back a 345 lb. man who can push back than a 315 guy. Glenn will never be smaller than another play. And in terms of technique, Glenn can work out the kinks with technique, Glenn would get better once he gets to the NFL, Castro really can't because he's already good. Abd once Castro gets to the NFL, the guys he's going against will generally be just as technically sound as the guys who he's going against in the pros, something he won't be able to capitalize on as much in the NFL as much as college. Glenn could easily be a better OG prospect in the pros because he has the ability to get better with his technique combined with his natural freak athleticism compared to Castro.
I'm just saying its not a clear cut thing that Castro will be great in the NFL like so many assume. Yet, people who discredit Castro are disgreed with just because just because no one else is disagreeing with him. I don't doubt that Castro will be good because he is good with technique. But when he's matching up with a guy who is just as good with their technique rushing the passer, what's going to determine who wins that matchup? Physical talent. And Glenn has a lot more of that than Castro ever will. |
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