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Sportboy86


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 6:22 pm    Post subject: P-Dub Reply with quote

I must be missing something. Why does everyone want to dump him so badly? He's a game-breaker (just ask Kansas City--remember that game guys). I will concede a few things...

Yes he's been injured
Yes the O looked good without him
Yes he counts for 2 million against the salary cap

But he's healthy now. 2 years ago at the end of the season, he was hurt, and the injury nagged him when he tried to play last year because it never fully healed. This year, after almost an entire season off, all reports I've read suggest that he'll be back to 100% before the season starts. Though the offense looked really good last year without him, they still struggled in the red zone. I cite the New England game where Palmer got hurt on 3rd and goal and the Bengals needed a fake FG on 4th down to get into the endzone. That's where they REALLY missed Warrick last year. He was and still is our red zone/third down specialist. Heath Miller-a possible draft pick-would help to solve that problem, but I would rather have a healthy P-Dub than Miller.

Some people are suggesting that the Bengals move Warrick for cap reasons. What do we need the cap for? We've re-signed Rudi and TJ. Braham will be aboard next for something like 1.5 mil. Pretty much everyone will be back from last year-plus rookies-so we don't need to sign any more players. Marvin likes to build through the draft (and with the classes he's had with the Bengals, can you blame him?). If we did clear up the cap room and want to look for another player, who would it be? Robinson is already aboard to play DT. Maybe a speed-rushing DE, but from the looks of things, Robert Geathers will fill that role nicely. I really don't see anyone out there that looks like the missing piece to the Bengals Super Bowl puzzle.

I would just like for someone to explain to me why they want to get rid of this guy so badly. Unlike some of our other big name players in recent memory, he's happy to wear the orange and black. He's come out and said that he won't be a 3rd receiver. I like to hear it. He's not going to roll over and lose his job. He's a fighter--not a whiner. The WR depth and competition will only make them, their young quarterback, the offense, and the team as a whole, better.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When it comes to Warrick I have a couple of thoughts:

First, I am glad that he will be at 100% for camp. I have heard so many things about his shin being a degenerative arthritic condition, that I didn't know if he would ever make it back to being that guy who broke the KC game open.

Second, I don't necessarily think that we have to cut him. If he can be a viable receiver for the Bengals, then Marvin will not get rid of him. That means that it falls on Peter to determine if he can accept his role as given to him by Marvin.

Third, having a glut of WRs can only be a good thing given the fact that if, God forbid, CJ or TJ went down, Warrick might be able to step in and keep the O's rhythm going.

I agree that there is not a free agent out there we should add that will get us to the Super Bowl, so as long as there is cap room for the rookies, were okay.

Also, I am happy to see Warrick says he doesn't want to be a 3rd receiver. Now its a matter of getting his job back from TJ. If he starts to whine, then there's a problem, but expect Marvin to give him a fair shot in camp, if he can stay healthy.

Finally, because of the performance of the O from last year, and TJ's emergence, I could see trading him. Look, the new Bengals don't need to keep someone just because he happy to be in the Orange and Black. I know it sounds cold, but under Marvin more and more players want to come and play at PBS, which makes for a more competitive roster and team. That said, I think ultimately he will stay and fight for his job. Here's to hoping he stays healthy and has a good, productive camp because in the end, if a 100% healthy, content Peter Warrick is on the roster, the O can only be better.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my arguments to cut him, i'm not meaning just for the fun of it or the principal. What I mean is that if Jaime Sharper becomes available, or another guy who could step in at a big position of need (I really wanted Hartwell even though I knew the Bengals weren't even talking with him), then warrick should be cut if needed. I would rather cut webster than warrick if we can get sharper, but i'm still not too fond of Warrick. Even in his best year, when he was healthy, he didn't put up the numbers TJ put up last year. Not to mention that I really don't think he'll have the same quickness no matter who says he is 100%, because we don't really know what his 100% is anymore. If the Bengals don't make anymore moves or cut someone else to get Sharper (if they can) than I hope he has a break out year. I think he might, it being "Contract year" and all, but if it is, we can't resign him.

Heres to whats best for the team, and we'll have to wait and see what that is.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's my thought.
Marvin's not going to get rid of him becuase that would make us very thin at WR. He won't do that. Besides, i would rather have a healthy wide receiver than 2 million extra dollars that won't do us any good. What are we gonna do, sign another DT? We're set there. Sign another DB? We're set there. We would have to sign another Wide receiver because we would be so thin. And who would take P-Dubs spot? Nobody. Cutting him is useless.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peter Warrick was my favorite reciever before last year.Then came injuries, then he says he woun't play if he not 1st or 2nd WR. Peter Warrick is a fine athlete and i wouldnt mind keeping him its just if we have the chance to move up in the draft by trading him i would. I think every bengals fan has forgot about KELLY WASHINGTON! Hes a tough physical player thats hard to bring down. BENEFITS OF TRADING WARRICK:1-possible chance to move up to get SS Thomas Davis 2-its all about the $$$(might save some cap) 3-you want chemistry we have that already in T.J C.J Rudi and Carson 4-we reached 500 w/o him
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not that I've forgotten Washington. Personally, I think he (or M. Williams) has been Marvin's best draft pick yet. But where was he last year? When Warrick went down, we were starting Clifford Russell. I was wondering if he hasn't developed like the coaching staff hoped.

He'll be a fine NFL receiver. We've seen his flashes of brilliance already. 31-378-3td were his stats last year. He has 7 TDs in 2 seasons.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kelley Washington has shown some flashes and certainly can find the endzone. I just hope that he comes in this year with a good attitude and works hard. If he wasn't playing last year, then it means Cliff Russell was the better player. If he comes in and works hard, then he has the opportunity to be as good as or even better than TJ. He certainly has the skills.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone who has watched KWash knows he has the body to play WR at the NFL level, but its a matter of getting his head straight and focusing on his play. If Warrick is healthy, then KWash has a hell of a competitive camp coming up. With a WR corp like ours, Chad, TJ, Warrick, KWash, Russell, camp could get interesting, especially if we pick up Roby or Murphy later in the draft. Can't wait to get to Georgetown.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GO BENGALS!!!!!
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