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CriminalMind
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| Virginia Viking wrote: | | It might be a business decision, but if I am a GM, and I think a player is healthy enough to participate and they don't participate...I'm counting it against them. These players have NO BUSINESS counting their millions before they have a signed contract!! Until they have a signed contract they need to salute, and do what their told. After they have signed contract...they need to salute and do what their told. I don't believe a "potential player" should be allowed to dictate anything to the league or teams they are trying to be a part of. I also think agents should not be acquired until AFTER the draft. |
Its a moral question.
The truth is they are not tied to any team through any contract during the combine, so they can do as they please.
Once drafted and signed then they are binded by the contract.
If a GM wants to pass on Player X b/c he didnt fully participate at a combine thats his own rule. I can certaintly say that most of the GMs wont agree.
Draftees are practicing risk management by effectively raising their floors. I can't blame them as they've have not gotta any $$ yet in their professional careers yet. |
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Virginia Viking
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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| CriminalMind wrote: | | Virginia Viking wrote: | | It might be a business decision, but if I am a GM, and I think a player is healthy enough to participate and they don't participate...I'm counting it against them. These players have NO BUSINESS counting their millions before they have a signed contract!! Until they have a signed contract they need to salute, and do what their told. After they have signed contract...they need to salute and do what their told. I don't believe a "potential player" should be allowed to dictate anything to the league or teams they are trying to be a part of. I also think agents should not be acquired until AFTER the draft. |
Its a moral question.
The truth is they are not tied to any team through any contract during the combine, so they can do as they please.
Once drafted and signed then they are binded by the contract.
If a GM wants to pass on Player X b/c he didnt fully participate at a combine thats his own rule. I can certaintly say that most of the GMs wont agree.
Draftees are practicing risk management by effectively raising their floors. I can't blame them as they've have not gotta any $$ yet in their professional careers yet. |
Well, I'm done argueing. I'm not going to be convinced that the combine and the draft are really anything to get excited about. Because they are so geared and biased towards quarterbacks, I really have no use for them. |
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milanb
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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| CriminalMind wrote: | | Virginia Viking wrote: | | It might be a business decision, but if I am a GM, and I think a player is healthy enough to participate and they don't participate...I'm counting it against them. These players have NO BUSINESS counting their millions before they have a signed contract!! Until they have a signed contract they need to salute, and do what their told. After they have signed contract...they need to salute and do what their told. I don't believe a "potential player" should be allowed to dictate anything to the league or teams they are trying to be a part of. I also think agents should not be acquired until AFTER the draft. |
Its a moral question.
The truth is they are not tied to any team through any contract during the combine, so they can do as they please.
Once drafted and signed then they are binded by the contract.
If a GM wants to pass on Player X b/c he didnt fully participate at a combine thats his own rule. I can certaintly say that most of the GMs wont agree.
Draftees are practicing risk management by effectively raising their floors. I can't blame them as they've have not gotta any $$ yet in their professional careers yet. |
Michael Lombardi has an interesting take on the whole not-working-out phenomenon:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82714669/article/combine-provides-plenty-of-action-on-and-off-the-field
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vike daddy
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The Vikings' trade hopes won't necessarily die should the Rams select Griffin, according to former Dallas Cowboys general manager and current NFL Network analyst Gil Brandt. Brandt is high on Texas A&M quarterback Ryan Tannenhill, who could creep into the top 10 - even as high as No. 3.
Brandt: "They better hope that Ryan Tannenhill is everything I think he is. If that's the case, then I think people will be willing to move up to get Ryan Tannenhill. You can never pick a quarterback too high."
http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_20039916
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vikingsrule
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| Tannehill seems like a better prospect than Ponder, and Ponder went at 12. Tannehill wont fall past Seattle, who happens to be picking at 12. |
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CriminalMind
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| Quote: | | Washington is rumoured to have put a massive unconfirmed (obviously) offer of : 2012 1st, 2012 2nd, 2012 3rd, 2013 1st. |
Thats an offer from Washington that will try to scare other teams off.
Other teams will try and get their own QB somehow before the draft (Flynn, Manning)... and start gearing up to take other prospects based on how they set their Free Agency period up.
On draft night, Vikings could approach Washington and say, trade up to #3, we'll take just a 1st and a 2nd. |
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swiss_vike
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While alot of people think that the Rams will be the target for a trade-up on draft day to snatch RGIII, I don't see it that way. What leverage do they have? How likely is it, that they will draft RGIII?
All teams interested in RGIII know that the Rams very likely won't pick him at #2...which switches the attention to the Vikings, who are more likely to pick RGIII.
It's still a market, and teams might fear that any one team will make the Rams an offer they can't refuse, but I don't see it happening. They will starve the Rams and negotiate with the Vikings, as it will be cheaper to trade up to the #3 spot.
Or to put it another way: if the Packers would sit at the #2, what team would sell out to trade up to that spot?
Maybe just wishfull thinking on my part, but I see a 50/50 chance that the Rams won't trade down (because of lack of trading partner) |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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| swiss_vike wrote: | While alot of people think that the Rams will be the target for a trade-up on draft day to snatch RGIII, I don't see it that way. What leverage do they have? How likely is it, that they will draft RGIII?
All teams interested in RGIII know that the Rams very likely won't pick him at #2...which switches the attention to the Vikings, who are more likely to pick RGIII.
It's still a market, and teams might fear that any one team will make the Rams an offer they can't refuse, but I don't see it happening. They will starve the Rams and negotiate with the Vikings, as it will be cheaper to trade up to the #3 spot.
Or to put it another way: if the Packers would sit at the #2, what team would sell out to trade up to that spot?
Maybe just wishfull thinking on my part, but I see a 50/50 chance that the Rams won't trade down (because of lack of trading partner) |
They want to trade up to #2 because if they don't someone else will.
Trading up to #3 is pointless if someone else trades up to #2 and gets your guy.
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swiss_vike
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They want to trade up to #2 because if they don't someone else will.
Trading up to #3 is pointless if someone else trades up to #2 and gets your guy. |
It's a market. Sellers and buyers determine the price. My point is: if the seller wants to sell badly (and the Rams want to sell badly their #2, as they won't take RGIII), the price drops...to a level that they won't sell anymore and just take Kalil. Chance of that to happen: 50/50
Also to consider for the Rams: if they trade down, they will most likely loose out on Kalil. Of course, if they rank Claiborne or Blackmon higher, that point is moot.
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Also to consider, if Manning and Flynn end up between Skins, Browns and Dolphins, there will be alot less buyers for the Rams. Less buyers -> price will drop -> Rams stay put and take Kalil.
All speculation, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Rams stay put on draft day. |
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Lil Uno
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Reports are Washington would give up 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 2013 1st for the #2. Joe Webb. 
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Klomp
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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After Griffin's showing at the Combine, someone will pay a hefty price to trade up for him. Only question is who and where.
If they trade up to 2, then we have Kalil fall in our laps.
If they trade up to 3 instead, then we were likely paid a lot to trade down.
Either way, we are in a very good value spot in this draft. |
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Klomp
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Kalil at 3 looking very possible
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Rams will trade No. 2 pick. Only question is where. Chargers once got two 1s, a 3 and a 5 for Eli Manning. Rams likely to get similar deal. |
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meixdaddy_10
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| Klomp wrote: |
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Rams will trade No. 2 pick. Only question is where. Chargers once got two 1s, a 3 and a 5 for Eli Manning. Rams likely to get similar deal. |
Eli was also the 1st overall pick that year..Value was a little bit higher.
But i see that as a minimum for trading up unless its to Cleveland at #4 and 2 1sts should be enough..maybe a later pick too.
Either way i see it the Vikes are sitting Pretty...Kalil would look phenomenal in Purple 
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vikingsrule
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Kalil to MN seems like destiny! Hopefully we dont find a way to mess this up by being cute. |
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Vikes_Bolts1228
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| vikingsrule wrote: | | Kalil to MN seems like destiny! Hopefully we dont find a way to mess this up by being cute. |
I was listening to 1500ESPN or KFAN today and they said that Denny once passed on a player in the first (who was BPA) because everyone thought the Vikings were going to take said player and he just wanted to prove them wrong.
Anyone know who they're talking about if true?
But man, I sure hope Spielman doesn't take Kalil for the fact that everyone thinks he will....he needs to be a Viking.
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