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Indianraven87
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 Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:41 pm Post subject: Ravens Mock Draft. |
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1. Michael Floyd (WR Notre Dame)
2. Vontaze Burfict (MLB Arizona State)
3. Ben Jones ( C Georgia)
4. Comp pick Sergio Kelemente (G Washington)
5. Ronnie Hillman (RB San Diego State)
6. Damien Jackson (S Mississippi)
7. Russell Wilson (QB Wisconsin)
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I doubt any of the first three guys you have us picking actually fall to those respective picks. It would be great if we did though.
What's your reasoning for the compensation pick? I don't think we're in line to get one. I believe the only free agent we lost last season that would qualify for us getting anything in return was Landry, but we signed Pollard to replace him. I guess McClain could have been one of those guys but he didn't do anything in Kansas to deserve us getting a pick and we signed Leach anyways. Am I missing anybody else? McGahee, Mason, Heap, and Gregg were all cut so they don't count. The difference from Pollard to Landry in terms of contract and number of starts might get us a lte round pick but nothing more.
The last three picks look pretty good. Not sure what Russel Wilson does for us though with Taylor already on the roster. |
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Indianraven87
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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I figured since Landry signed a pretty hefty deal and Pollard was signed at a much lower price we might be able to get a high comp pick but i could be wrong. I think Michael Floyd falls ala Dez Bryant due to his average 40 time while Burfict is a head case who will fall because like Jimmy Smith a lot of teams will take him off their draft boards. Ben Jones i am not sure about and its more of a hoeful pick.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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I dont see Floyd, Burfict or Hillman lasting that long.
| coordinator0 wrote: | | What's your reasoning for the compensation pick? I don't think we're in line to get one. |
The only proper projection of compensation picks I've seen had us getting a 4th because of Landry
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| drd23 wrote: | I dont see Floyd, Burfict or Hillman lasting that long.
| coordinator0 wrote: | | What's your reasoning for the compensation pick? I don't think we're in line to get one. |
The only proper projection of compensation picks I've seen had us getting a 4th because of Landry |
But are we actually going to get something for Landry? Like I said we did sign Pollard and that's got to factor into the compensation equation. Does anybody have the rules under the current CBA for compensation picks All I've found is the 2006-2012 CBA and I'm not sure if the rules changed or not. |
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drd23
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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| coordinator0 wrote: | | drd23 wrote: | I dont see Floyd, Burfict or Hillman lasting that long.
| coordinator0 wrote: | | What's your reasoning for the compensation pick? I don't think we're in line to get one. |
The only proper projection of compensation picks I've seen had us getting a 4th because of Landry |
But are we actually going to get something for Landry? Like I said we did sign Pollard and that's got to factor into the compensation equation. Does anybody have the rules under the current CBA for compensation picks All I've found is the 2006-2012 CBA and I'm not sure if the rules changed or not. |
The new CBA is here - images.nflplayers.com/mediaResources/files/PDFs/General/2011_Final_CBA_Searchable.pdf
Its not just about Landry and Pollard, its about all the FAs we lost and signed that made above the minimum.
And this is the only attempt I've seen so far to project all the comp picks http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2012/1/6/2686334/2012-compensatory-draft-pick-predictions
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Ahh that's the new one, thanks. It says that the previous rules are still in place.
I realize it's not just about Landry and Pollard but Like I listed in my first post the only guys I think that we lost were McClain and Landry. Signing Leach and Pollard should just about cancel that out. I don't think McKinnie counts because he was cut from the Vikings but I'm not quite sure about that. Gurode would though. Of course if we do get a 4th round pick I'm not complaining. 
EDIT - I forgot about Chester and Wilson. I think both started every game for Washington and each got a decent contract so that's going to be in our favor. Gaither was a free agent as well but I'm not sure how that situation plays out since he was cut by KC and really only played for SD. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| coordinator0 wrote: | | I doubt any of the first three guys you have us picking actually fall to those respective picks. It would be great if we did though. |
Well I don't actually expect Floyd to be available at our pick, but I definitely think we see the other two guys fall. Like I said in my mock a few weeks back, I think Jones definitely falls to the late 3rd. He really didn't impress all that much at the senior bowl and after going back and watching the tape, I had to change my mind and I now feel that Brewster is the better center. I think we'll see Brewster go anywhere from the late 2nd to mid 3rd and won't see Jones come off the board until the late 3rd.
Taze, may not fall all the way to our pick, especially if he can prove to be very coachable in his team visits/pro day/combine. But if he doesn't, then falling to our pick in the 2nd is quite possible. He has talent, but greater talents have fallen. And once the snowball goes tumbling down the hill, there's no telling how big it might become by the time it stops rolling. Burfict's stock could be that snowball. The more teams that pass on him, the more other front offices will think, "maybe we're wrong, surely someone else would have taken him by now if THEY thought he were any good". It'll obviously take a strong front office at that point to buck the trend and say, "we have confidence in this kid" and actually take him.
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In terms of the mock, if all of these scenarios happened together I'd be ecstatic. Though I have to say it'd be hard for me to choose between Bobby Wagner and Burfict in the 2nd. It's like choosing between Tim Duncan and Shaq to build a franchise around.
I also like the Russell Wilson pick late. He's small and he's a project, but I just like what he brings to the table. Like Mayock said, he could be another Doug Flutie-esq player.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:47 am Post subject: Re: Ravens Mock Draft. |
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| Indianraven87 wrote: | 1. Michael Floyd (WR Notre Dame)
2. Vontaze Burfict (MLB Arizona State)
3. Ben Jones ( C Georgia)
4. Comp pick Sergio Kelemente (G Washington)
5. Ronnie Hillman (RB San Diego State)
6. Damien Jackson (S Mississippi)
7. Russell Wilson (QB Wisconsin) |
Michael Floyd won't be there. Either SD takes him (if VJ leaves) or CLE takes him at 22... because Alshon Jeffery is a joke.
Burfict was a top-10 pick pre-season, which is not only a feat for a LB but especially a MLB. The fact that this mock has him around at the END of the 2nd is retarded. The NFL is not likely to pass on talent like that for more than 15-20 spots.
Ronnie Hillman in the 5th would be the steal of the draft. Seen him play 4 times and the dude has skills. Has the potential to be a pass-receiving back as well as the speed back we need on 3rd and long. Not to say I'm not a fan of Rice being the dump-off on 3rd... but he doesn't have the straight-away acceleration and leg speed to gain 8+yds in under 2 seconds. |
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Flaccomania
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| Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:14 am Post subject: Re: Ravens Mock Draft. |
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| RayVens wrote: | | Indianraven87 wrote: | 1. Michael Floyd (WR Notre Dame)
2. Vontaze Burfict (MLB Arizona State)
3. Ben Jones ( C Georgia)
4. Comp pick Sergio Kelemente (G Washington)
5. Ronnie Hillman (RB San Diego State)
6. Damien Jackson (S Mississippi)
7. Russell Wilson (QB Wisconsin) |
Michael Floyd won't be there. Either SD takes him (if VJ leaves) or CLE takes him at 22... because Alshon Jeffery is a joke.
Burfict was a top-10 pick pre-season, which is not only a feat for a LB but especially a MLB. The fact that this mock has him around at the END of the 2nd is retarded. The NFL is not likely to pass on talent like that for more than 15-20 spots.
Ronnie Hillman in the 5th would be the steal of the draft. Seen him play 4 times and the dude has skills. Has the potential to be a pass-receiving back as well as the speed back we need on 3rd and long. Not to say I'm not a fan of Rice being the dump-off on 3rd... but he doesn't have the straight-away acceleration and leg speed to gain 8+yds in under 2 seconds. |
While I too doubt Burfict falls to our pick in the 2nd, I wouldn't doubt at all that he gets into the mid-2nd. Yes, pre-season he was a potential top 10 pick.. and then the season happened. He's played his way to the late 1st-early 2nd at this point, so the combine along with the interviews is what will move him up, down, or nowhere at this point. But he's very unlikely to be taken top 20 unless he impresses in the interviews and some team takes the risk that early.
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RayVens
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 3:57 am Post subject: Re: Ravens Mock Draft. |
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| Flaccomania wrote: | | RayVens wrote: | | Indianraven87 wrote: | 1. Michael Floyd (WR Notre Dame)
2. Vontaze Burfict (MLB Arizona State)
3. Ben Jones ( C Georgia)
4. Comp pick Sergio Kelemente (G Washington)
5. Ronnie Hillman (RB San Diego State)
6. Damien Jackson (S Mississippi)
7. Russell Wilson (QB Wisconsin) |
Michael Floyd won't be there. Either SD takes him (if VJ leaves) or CLE takes him at 22... because Alshon Jeffery is a joke.
Burfict was a top-10 pick pre-season, which is not only a feat for a LB but especially a MLB. The fact that this mock has him around at the END of the 2nd is retarded. The NFL is not likely to pass on talent like that for more than 15-20 spots.
Ronnie Hillman in the 5th would be the steal of the draft. Seen him play 4 times and the dude has skills. Has the potential to be a pass-receiving back as well as the speed back we need on 3rd and long. Not to say I'm not a fan of Rice being the dump-off on 3rd... but he doesn't have the straight-away acceleration and leg speed to gain 8+yds in under 2 seconds. |
While I too doubt Burfict falls to our pick in the 2nd, I wouldn't doubt at all that he gets into the mid-2nd. Yes, pre-season he was a potential top 10 pick.. and then the season happened. He's played his way to the late 1st-early 2nd at this point, so the combine along with the interviews is what will move him up, down, or nowhere at this point. But he's very unlikely to be taken top 20 unless he impresses in the interviews and some team takes the risk that early. |
Yeah that's true.
I still think he's too talented to make it out of the late 1st.
It's not like he had a bad season statistically, plus he played in all 13 games. He has the intangibles and the swag to be a great Raven. On the flip side, I could definitely see him making some late-game, stupid penalty that hurts the team.
Certainly interesting to see where he goes though... |
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| A trend in a few mock drafts that are floating around have us taking Russell Wilson in th 7th. I don't actually believe that he'll still be around in the 7th round. Not that he's going to be extremely successful at the next level, but his college success and his athleticism should combine to give a good enough reason for team to take him around the 5th round IMO. |
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RayVens
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, Burfict had a TERRIBLE combine... so maybe he falls after all. |
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draftguru1234
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| RayVens wrote: | | Well, Burfict had a TERRIBLE combine... so maybe he falls after all. |
The 2nd round seems like a reach at this point. |
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Flaccomania
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| Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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| draftguru1234 wrote: | | RayVens wrote: | | Well, Burfict had a TERRIBLE combine... so maybe he falls after all. |
The 2nd round seems like a reach at this point. |
Agreed. His best asset was his athleticism and he displayed poor athleticism at the combine.
I'd still take a chance on him in the 5th though, or even the 4th if we trade back and pick one up. There's just too much potential there to not take a small risk, and if he's going to straighten up anywhere, Baltimore would be the place.
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