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smetana34
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Can you have discussions about a player who's not under contract without that being considered tampering?
Right now, I don't believe it one bit. |
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PossibleCabbage
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:14 am Post subject: |
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| smetana34 wrote: | Can you have discussions about a player who's not under contract without that being considered tampering?
Right now, I don't believe it one bit. |
No, but tampering is rampant this time of year and the NFL has turned a blind eye to this for years and there's no sign of stopping. |
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Sandybaby716
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| chillparsi1 wrote: | | incognito_man wrote: | They have pick 22 from ATL.
Right about Flynn's value. |
Is this really how high teams are valuing Flynn? |
There's some speculation that Flynn can get at least that much.
Think of it this way. Cleveland can trade their 4th pick and likely their second round pick to move up and take RG3, a player who has never played a snap in the NFL.
Or, they can trade the late first for a guy who, in two career starts, has thrown for 8 touchdowns, beaten a playoff team without Jennings, and narrowly lost on the road to a team that went 14-2. They get to keep the 4th pick to take a player such as Blackmon, Richardson, or some defensive help.
If other teams are interested in Flynn as well, starting a bidding war, the 22nd pick could wind up looking like chump change. Time is ticking for Munchak, Carroll, and Shanahan to make an impact, and after Luck and RG3 are off the board, there is no one they can rely on to make a possible impact. Add in the fact that Miami is such a logical fit, and you have four teams competing for two players. Someone will pay grandly.
I'm also assuming that if Peyton is even cleared to play, he will return to the Colts. And I doubt he ever plays again.
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incognito_man
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:17 am Post subject: |
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| smetana34 wrote: | Can you have discussions about a player who's not under contract without that being considered tampering?
Right now, I don't believe it one bit. |
define 'you'. The Browns can't contact Flynn directly, no. But our front offices can talk about a trade... |
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smetana34
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:56 am Post subject: |
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| incognito_man wrote: | | smetana34 wrote: | Can you have discussions about a player who's not under contract without that being considered tampering?
Right now, I don't believe it one bit. |
define 'you'. The Browns can't contact Flynn directly, no. But our front offices can talk about a trade... |
Still involving a player not under contract. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:13 am Post subject: |
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| smetana34 wrote: | | incognito_man wrote: | | smetana34 wrote: | Can you have discussions about a player who's not under contract without that being considered tampering?
Right now, I don't believe it one bit. |
define 'you'. The Browns can't contact Flynn directly, no. But our front offices can talk about a trade... |
Still involving a player not under contract. |
...not under contract yet.
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smetana34
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:18 am Post subject: |
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| blueswedeshoes wrote: | | smetana34 wrote: | | incognito_man wrote: | | smetana34 wrote: | Can you have discussions about a player who's not under contract without that being considered tampering?
Right now, I don't believe it one bit. |
define 'you'. The Browns can't contact Flynn directly, no. But our front offices can talk about a trade... |
Still involving a player not under contract. |
...not under contract yet. |
Which would make it tampering, no?
As for what we'd receive in a trade, (to those draft geeks who know value) what would Flynn + our 1st and 2nd for #22 and their 2nd come out value wise? |
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PacAttack04
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:28 am Post subject: |
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| I feel the league would look away from tampering considering Packers would be fully involved in this type of trade talk. |
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blueswedeshoes
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:36 am Post subject: |
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| smetana34 wrote: | | blueswedeshoes wrote: | | smetana34 wrote: | | incognito_man wrote: | | smetana34 wrote: | Can you have discussions about a player who's not under contract without that being considered tampering?
Right now, I don't believe it one bit. |
define 'you'. The Browns can't contact Flynn directly, no. But our front offices can talk about a trade... |
Still involving a player not under contract. |
...not under contract yet. |
Which would make it tampering, no?
As for what we'd receive in a trade, (to those draft geeks who know value) what would Flynn + our 1st and 2nd for #22 and their 2nd come out value wise? |
Flynn + 660 +300 against 780 + 530, yielding +350 points for Flynn
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Packerraymond
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:40 am Post subject: |
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| smetana34 wrote: | | blueswedeshoes wrote: | | smetana34 wrote: | | incognito_man wrote: | | smetana34 wrote: | Can you have discussions about a player who's not under contract without that being considered tampering?
Right now, I don't believe it one bit. |
define 'you'. The Browns can't contact Flynn directly, no. But our front offices can talk about a trade... |
Still involving a player not under contract. |
...not under contract yet. |
Which would make it tampering, no?
As for what we'd receive in a trade, (to those draft geeks who know value) what would Flynn + our 1st and 2nd for #22 and their 2nd come out value wise? |
A mid 2nd value for Flynn, not enough 
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Sandybaby716
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:46 am Post subject: |
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| smetana34 wrote: | | blueswedeshoes wrote: | | smetana34 wrote: | | incognito_man wrote: | | smetana34 wrote: | Can you have discussions about a player who's not under contract without that being considered tampering?
Right now, I don't believe it one bit. |
define 'you'. The Browns can't contact Flynn directly, no. But our front offices can talk about a trade... |
Still involving a player not under contract. |
...not under contract yet. |
Which would make it tampering, no? |
T'would not be tampering. I believe that he is still technically under contract with us until March 5th, which is why he can't sign with anyone else.
The Chiefs were able to sign Stanford Routt because he was released, making him available to all teams.
I'm not entirely sure I'm 100% right on this, but I'm pretty sure I am. The exclusive rights thing makes it legal.
edit: tampering is specifically when a team talks directly to a player who is under contract with another team, or about them in the media. Holmgren can't call Flynn up and ask him if he'd like to be a Brown. He also can't host a press conference stating that he would like to obtain him.
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AirOnRodgers
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:06 am Post subject: |
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| smetana34 wrote: | | blueswedeshoes wrote: | | smetana34 wrote: | | incognito_man wrote: | | smetana34 wrote: | Can you have discussions about a player who's not under contract without that being considered tampering?
Right now, I don't believe it one bit. |
define 'you'. The Browns can't contact Flynn directly, no. But our front offices can talk about a trade... |
Still involving a player not under contract. |
...not under contract yet. |
Which would make it tampering, no?
As for what we'd receive in a trade, (to those draft geeks who know value) what would Flynn + our 1st and 2nd for #22 and their 2nd come out value wise? |
It's not tampering if he's not under contract with anyone. It's all hypothetical at this point.
The Browns aren't talking with Flynn about signing him, they're talking with the Packers about making a move for a player for whom they could technically still control. He's not a free agent yet, not until he avoids the franchise tag.
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CalhounLambeau
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This is all music to my ears. I always had this feeling that we were going to get Matt Flynn franchised and open bidding. Too many Packers connections out there (Seattle, Miami, and Cleveland), and we have the reputation/coaching for teams to feel a little more comfortable. It just comes down to getting two teams interesting and building up his return. When it comes to what Flynn could bring in, I honestly haven't got a clue.
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PossibleCabbage
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| Packerraymond wrote: | | A mid 2nd value for Flynn, not enough :wink: |
Honestly, a 2013 3rd round compensatory pick is worth a late 4th round pick in the 2012 draft (we might have three of those this year). So anything you're getting for Flynn in trade above a late fourth round pick, will be to make up for the risk the Packers assume by tagging him. So I would take anything in the second round, and maybe even a third. |
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/23/report-browns-expected-to-make-a-play-for-matt-flynn/related/
| Quote: | Steve Doerschuk of the Canton Repository writes the Browns brass “will make a play for Matt Flynn” with the hopes of making Flynn the team’s starter. They will have competition, though.
“There will be a budget that will not be exceeded in the play for Flynn,” Doerschuk writes. |
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