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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:03 am    Post subject: Bout time to knock out a JPN Pre Combine Mock Reply with quote

Now this isnt all rainbows and lollipops and its based on a complete mock until our pick in the 3rd round.

I do also have it assumed that we will be losing Mike Wallace to the Pats. I also took into consideration many of my expectations for Free agency.

1.(24) Cordy Glenn - OG - Georgia - 6'6" 346 5.28 -It came down to Hightower & Glenn and leaned towards offense in the tie and greater area of need. Mike Adams was long gone. Glenn has the versatility ability that the Steelers covet as much as anything. His measurables are very much to their typical liking , although this guy can move. Add/coach a bit of feroctiy into his game and he could be deadly.


1b.(31) Dwayne Allen - TE- Clemson- 6'4 255 4.76-I'm sure this will unsettle a few people in here, but I've been pleading for a mismatch in the short area for a few years now. Weslye Saunders had potential to make our roster but I'll be happy if we get Adrian Cooper out of him. Heath is great for solid, but will never be spectacular, no disrespect intended. And Johnson ehhh...Allen creates mismatches, by no means is he perfect but has explosive ability leaping and break away after the catch that no other TE on our roster has. My only concern is potential diva attitude just my perception a little.


2. DaJohn Harris - DT -USC-6'3" 308 5.16- I suppose it would be a lot prettier if the name was Josh Chapman, which I wrestled with. the difference is explosiveness and athleticism. I'd take Chapman too if we could get him but we only getthe opportunity for one.


3. Malik Jackson - DE- Tennessee- 6'5 270 4.82-Another DE? Kiesel is 33 he has a few years, but Im only so comfortable with Hood, I think Jackson is a potential steal here.


4. Nigel Bradham - LB - FSU -6'2 237 4.67- I wasnt sold until the bowl game but I like his recovery/side line to sideline speed. And he can hit. The new league requires more speed and we put these guys out in coverage so much, be good to see them be capable of covering the tight ends and fullbacks at least. My other consideration here is OT/OG Ryan Miller here, CBS sports has him as a 6th or 7th rounder, I could only hope. I think he may be a better tackle than guard. I feel he has the feet to possibly play either side.


5. Robert Turbin - RB - Utah State- 5'9 216 4.57-Hard to Forget all that great running I saw out of my mind and was always baffled and left wondering how in the hell could they take him out of the game so much? It never suprised me that Utah State lost so many close games. I thought he kept great composure in never making a stink about it publicly, I know I wouldve had a hard time dealing with it. There's something there.


6. TJ Graham - WR - NC State - 5'11" 182 4.36- Im not so sure he falls this far but if he does hes a playmaker. I'd also be looking for Travis Benjamin here, his explosiveness is what Id love to have for this team. Id take both if we could but I only took one for this draft.


7. Hayworth Hicks - OG - Iowa State- 6'2" 327 5.35-Was impressed with him all season. Watched every Iowa State game trying to see more of Osemele and couldnt help but notice how the guard on the right side won every battle usually seemed to be against the other teams best guy. Was also encouraged that he led many of the pre game rituals etc. Vocal, strong and a leader.


7b. (figure we get compensation) -Jamie Blatnik- ? - Oklahoma State -It amazes me that this guy is nowhere to be found on draft boards. There are a few players like that but this guy has to play somewhere. at 6-3 270, im reminded somehow of Teddy Bruschi as in where to play him, although I do realize Teddy was about 245. Can he play ILB, can he play OLB, DE or can we use him as a FB ala the DE from UCF that plays for San Fran, just too good to keep off the field.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can someone tell me why there is a RB in every draft on this forum? We don't need one.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see anywhere that Harris could play as a 3-4 NT, in fact, I've seen he might get consideration as a 5-tech, so not sure about him as a prospect for us. Also, don't see the need for for another DE unless Ziggy actually does play more nose. The way that the Steelers have gone after Al Woods over the past couple of seasons, believe they are high on this guy, so I guess what I'm saying is I really do not want to see another DE drafted this year.

I like the T.J. Graham pick. He could alleviate some of what we lost in Wallace. His hands are the issue at times, and will need to add 10 lbs, and like you alluded to, he'll probably go a round earlier, but he's no smurf, so he could project outside and don't see him as a slot guy only. Also, apparently a willing blocker in the run game and as return ability, so gotta like that as well.

Don't know much about a couple of the other guys you have listed, but the positions are good otherwise and fills most of our needs, just would swap out Harris for Chapman, myself.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know A lot of people are against Cordy Glenn but I think he will make a solid LG and would upgrade the interior O-line.

I like Nigel Bradham. I agree on your analysis on him.

T.J. Graham is very interesting in the case we lose Wallace.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im on my way out and will comment more a little later.

Ill just say for now that the first 3 picks IMO are downright terrible. Glenn...people should know my thoughts by now. Allen...cant see him being the BPA but who knows. And Harris IMO has no place in our defense.

Ill elaborate more later, if needed. Got a quiz right now.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aldo_the_Apache wrote:
Can someone tell me why there is a RB in every draft on this forum? We don't need one.


Why do we pick a LB every year? Every year? If talent is there you dont select a OT that cant make the team over a running back that can improve on wht you already have.
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I don't see anywhere that Harris could play as a 3-4 NT, in fact, I've seen he might get consideration as a 5-tech, so not sure about him as a prospect for us. Also, don't see the need for for another DE unless Ziggy actually does play more nose. The way that the Steelers have gone after Al Woods over the past couple of seasons, believe they are high on this guy, so I guess what I'm saying is I really do not want to see another DE drafted this year.

I like the T.J. Graham pick. He could alleviate some of what we lost in Wallace. His hands are the issue at times, and will need to add 10 lbs, and like you alluded to, he'll probably go a round earlier, but he's no smurf, so he could project outside and don't see him as a slot guy only. Also, apparently a willing blocker in the run game and as return ability, so gotta like that as well.

Don't know much about a couple of the other guys you have listed, but the positions are good otherwise and fills most of our needs, just would swap out Harris for Chapman, myself.


Nothing says that Harris can fully play NT. Neither did Kemo, Buckner etc but they did well as stop gaps. Im not just taking Mike Martin because he plays a NT in college. Im looking for more overall team speed and ability.

I feel Jackson is talent that is overlooked and can improve on what we already have.

I dont know of a mock that ive ever done thats pleased much of anybody at the same time thats not how i approach my mocks.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JustPlainNasty wrote:
I dont know of a mock that ive ever done thats pleased much of anybody at the same time thats not how i approach my mocks.


Yep. It's always easier to be a critic than a fan.

I like the Glenn pick. I'm hoping Kuechly or Adams falls to our spot, but I think Glenn is very capable and is a good start on my #1 priority of rebuilding the trenches.

I understand where you are going with the Allen pick and would like to add the 2nd inline receiving option as well. I don't think Allen is the answer and I wouldn't burn a first on him. Reminds me of last year when we were both high on DJ Williams even advocating spending a 1or a 2 on him. Then he goes in the 5th. I'm fine with Green, Ford, or Peterson later. Again, I use this pick to rebuild the trenches with another OL prospect. Silatolu is my dream 2nd rounder so I'd spend this on him if needs be. But Washington, Osmele, or Schwartz would suit me fine here as well.

Very high on Harris for me. He's about my 10th DT on my board and doesn't even register on the NT (1gap or not) list. Chapman is probably less glamorous but a far better player.

I like Jackson. Very underrated. I'm fine with him here.

Bradham...I don't think he plays in a 34, but that's kind of a cop out. I think he'd need at least 3 years before he potentially saw snaps inside.

I like Turbin here. For those complaining about a RB in the draft, just say to yourselves Redman, Dwyer, Clay, Batch?...cause that's what we are looking at in 2013. Some may be fine with that. I'm not.

Graham's nice in this range. Kind of a clone of Sanders/Brown in some ways. Be damn skippy nice to add another talent like that in the 6th. I like Rainey more, but I can't argue the pick.

Hayworth and Blatnik....sure why not, it's the 7th round.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not big on the draft.

I like Bradham though. I think he could be our next ILB. He played well at the senior bowl. I like how he attacked the line of scrimmage and did not try to avoid or run around OL. Alittle undersized but plays like a 3-4 ILB.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

treat88 wrote:
JustPlainNasty wrote:
I dont know of a mock that ive ever done thats pleased much of anybody at the same time thats not how i approach my mocks.


Yep. It's always easier to be a critic than a fan.

I like the Glenn pick. I'm hoping Kuechly or Adams falls to our spot, but I think Glenn is very capable and is a good start on my #1 priority of rebuilding the trenches.

I understand where you are going with the Allen pick and would like to add the 2nd inline receiving option as well. I don't think Allen is the answer and I wouldn't burn a first on him. Reminds me of last year when we were both high on DJ Williams even advocating spending a 1or a 2 on him. Then he goes in the 5th. I'm fine with Green, Ford, or Peterson later. Again, I use this pick to rebuild the trenches with another OL prospect. Silatolu is my dream 2nd rounder so I'd spend this on him if needs be. But Washington, Osmele, or Schwartz would suit me fine here as well.

Very high on Harris for me. He's about my 10th DT on my board and doesn't even register on the NT (1gap or not) list. Chapman is probably less glamorous but a far better player.

I like Jackson. Very underrated. I'm fine with him here.

Bradham...I don't think he plays in a 34, but that's kind of a cop out. I think he'd need at least 3 years before he potentially saw snaps inside.

I like Turbin here. For those complaining about a RB in the draft, just say to yourselves Redman, Dwyer, Clay, Batch?...cause that's what we are looking at in 2013. Some may be fine with that. I'm not.

Graham's nice in this range. Kind of a clone of Sanders/Brown in some ways. Be damn skippy nice to add another talent like that in the 6th. I like Rainey more, but I can't argue the pick.

Hayworth and Blatnik....sure why not, it's the 7th round.


Good review Treat, im really impressed with your knowledge this year. Perhaps youre right about Allen and i may be reaching as ive generally had him around the 50s in rankings. The way my draft turned out i wasnt ecstatic with availability, perhaps a trade down was warranted but i didnt want to make it a far fetched scenario. Dont give up on DJ he still made the team that won the previous Superbowl and is loaded at the position and I still believe he was a potential valuable weapon for us.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice job JPN- it takes a lot of effort to make a draft look like this, to know you're probably going to be ripped on about it. I like Glenn more than most on here, not my perfect pick but can live with it if he plays to his potential. Love Graham, like Jackson, not sure about Turbin, would like to see someone a little one cut and gone if we draft a RB. Nice thinking out of the box draft that doesn't look like every other one!
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A 2nd inline option would do wonders for the offense...Im ok with the Allen pick...you have to weigh how high of a pick you wanna use...say Allen/Charles in late 1st compared to LaDarius Green in the 3rd or 4th.

I'm not sure how you guys can say no need at Rb with currently 1 Rb who's made a start and all the backups haven't even started a game. It may not be a huge need this year but if they don't resign Mendy and people forget Redman is 28, Rb is a big need next year.
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AlanFanecaFan wrote:
A 2nd inline option would do wonders for the offense...Im ok with the Allen pick...you have to weigh how high of a pick you wanna use...say Allen/Charles in late 1st compared to LaDarius Green in the 3rd or 4th.

I'm not sure how you guys can say no need at Rb with currently 1 Rb who's made a start and all the backups haven't even started a game. It may not be a huge need this year but if they don't resign Mendy and people forget Redman is 28, Rb is a big need next year.


My thought process is if Mendy moves on, we can use a high pick next year, and have Redman, Clay, Dwyer, Batch and the high pick split carries, much as N.O did with Ingram this year. The following year we start the guy after he knows the offense
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My first thought, #1 pick, I like it. Am more than comfortable with the pick itself and the next pick, I understand the pick, his best comparison would be Gresham, which isn't too shabby. I think with that 1st round pick from Patriots we should trade down for depth, would you agree?

Don't like Harris, he's somewhat similar with Hood and isn't Hood just better? I get #3rd round pick, that is if we split the time between Hood and McLendon, so wouldn't #2 makes more sense to be somebody to projects to start in NFL such as, say... Bobbie Massie, Minnifield, Gilmore, or somebody else? I would like to see us do something about a tackle in top 4 because not only the depth sucks, we need to start planning that if we eventually let Colon go, we would be better off with a player that we knew can replace him, not an unknown player.

Love #4th pick, would have him in my mock but had other need over him. I do think he can move to ILB and be that mack role guy, hopefully at least.

My concern would be that we have been asking for a deep-threat/redzone WR, a tall guy but I'm not questioning on whether we would draft such a WR, but ideally if we want one, we are likely to have get one in top 4 rounds, one of my favorite; Brian Quick came to mind. Smaller and quick WR isn't a bad idea but I think our offense' dimension has been somewhat stale, Haley himself love tall WR so I wouldn't know if he will have an impact on the outcome of draft. Guess we all will find out.

I'm okay with a RB in the draft. I'm still not okay with the depth after Redman so this makes sense.

Love Hayworth Hicks, he's a player who plays like a veteran, know the game very well but think we may have to get him in 6th, if not 5th.

I hope with "extra" compensation pick, we can finally draft a kicker but and then they never did so I can only hope.

Overall, I like the first, most of last picks but somewhere in the middle, bleh.

I give the grade B-
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JustPlainNasty wrote:
Ward4HOF wrote:
I don't see anywhere that Harris could play as a 3-4 NT, in fact, I've seen he might get consideration as a 5-tech, so not sure about him as a prospect for us. Also, don't see the need for for another DE unless Ziggy actually does play more nose. The way that the Steelers have gone after Al Woods over the past couple of seasons, believe they are high on this guy, so I guess what I'm saying is I really do not want to see another DE drafted this year.

I like the T.J. Graham pick. He could alleviate some of what we lost in Wallace. His hands are the issue at times, and will need to add 10 lbs, and like you alluded to, he'll probably go a round earlier, but he's no smurf, so he could project outside and don't see him as a slot guy only. Also, apparently a willing blocker in the run game and as return ability, so gotta like that as well.

Don't know much about a couple of the other guys you have listed, but the positions are good otherwise and fills most of our needs, just would swap out Harris for Chapman, myself.


Nothing says that Harris can fully play NT. Neither did Kemo, Buckner etc but they did well as stop gaps. Im not just taking Mike Martin because he plays a NT in college. Im looking for more overall team speed and ability.

I feel Jackson is talent that is overlooked and can improve on what we already have.

I dont know of a mock that ive ever done thats pleased much of anybody at the same time thats not how i approach my mocks.


Then I'm sorry, JPN, you'll have to turn in your FF membership card. Cool

I actually like most of it. I like Glenn. Measured in today 6'5" 345 w. 35 3/4" arms. WOW! Allen, however, measured in at just a hair over 6'3", which is a full inch shorter then expected. Doubt it will affect his status; just a bit interesting.

I just question the Harris and Jackson picks, not based on their abilities, just how they fit into our system. Definitely a lot different than most here. And like I said, I like the Graham pick a lot, especially if we lose Wallace.
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