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| Flaccomania wrote: | | Tzimisce wrote: | | They're gonna break the bank for Mario Williams. Writing's been on the wall for months now. |
It would set their franchise back even further than the Julio Jones trade did.
I'll laugh if they do. |
I think if Mario goes to a competent 4-3 defense, he'll be worth every penny to whichever team he plays for.
He was at times dominant despite playing for some terrible Defensive Coordinators.
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| scar988 wrote: | because it's not like we have a good core of young players or anything...  |
GB has a young core of players. Are they breaking the bank to over pay for every FA that hops along? Win now mode is made for a team that has a 34+ year old QB that you wanna squeeze everything you can outta his career before he is done. You don't ruin your teams financial future when you have a QB who is 27 years old. In 4 years MW and DR will be making way more than should, most likely.
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Biermann and Edwards as you're two best pass rushers? (Maybe Sidbury is a better pass rusher than Edwards).
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| Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| scar988 wrote: | | skatebeanz wrote: | | Flaccomania wrote: | | Tzimisce wrote: | | They're gonna break the bank for Mario Williams. Writing's been on the wall for months now. |
It would set their franchise back even further than the Julio Jones trade did.
I'll laugh if they do. |
This. I'm losing all confidence in their front office. After that Julio trade and Robinson signing it seems as if TD is in pure win now mode. That doesn't work often. |
because it's not like we have a good core of young players or anything... |
I forgot Dimitroff was supposed to hit on every player he signed or drafted. So we paid too much for Robinson. He hasn't been awful but not worth the contract we gave him. I know we gave up alot for Julio but he was everything we needed. Missed 4 games. But showed explosiveness and speed. I would say Ryan, Lofton, Weatherspoon, Gonzo, Turner, Julio(my opinion so far), Moore, Grimes, have been pretty damn good under TD. I think we do have ways to go for a SB but we're not that far off IMO. Some change is definitely needed. A new OC, a very good DC. Let's see what they can do. The moves he has made have not been complete busts where these guys have fallen off the map.
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Flaccomania
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| scar988 wrote: | | Flaccomania wrote: | | Tzimisce wrote: | | They're gonna break the bank for Mario Williams. Writing's been on the wall for months now. |
It would set their franchise back even further than the Julio Jones trade did.
I'll laugh if they do. |
how would upgrading the pass rush hurt the franchise when we have over 35M in cap space right now? re-sign Grimes, Lofton, Decoud, McClure, Weems, Snelling and Douglas, we would still have the money to go after Super Mario. |
Spending that much money on a FA player when you look beyond just this year, will hurt your franchise, particularly when you have Ryan, Turner, and White all going to want new contracts in the next 2-3 years. Plus obviously all of those guys you just listed, plus with giving up as much as you did for Julio you're going to need to utilize FA more since you're missing some key high picks to help build the team.
Spending big dollars in FA is typically not a good thing for a team -- we've seen that over the years. Yes, some pay off, but those teams that spend the big bucks on FAs typically aren't the perennial winners. The Falcons already put themselves in a tough position by giving up all those picks for Julio, I just think that if they go ahead and spend all the money that Super Mario is going to want on top of that, they're just digging themselves a deeper hole.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| skatebeanz wrote: | | Flaccomania wrote: | | Tzimisce wrote: | | They're gonna break the bank for Mario Williams. Writing's been on the wall for months now. |
It would set their franchise back even further than the Julio Jones trade did.
I'll laugh if they do. |
This. I'm losing all confidence in their front office. After that Julio trade and Robinson signing it seems as if TD is in pure win now mode. That doesn't work often. |
I wouldn't say I'm losing confidence in them, I just think they are getting too giddy to win and are getting ahead of themselves.
I think after their 13-3 season, they thought they were on the brink and rather than continue to build their team via the draft like they did to get where they were, they went for the homerun shot with Julio and signing Ray Edwards. However, they weren't as close as they thought.
IMO, their best option would be to realize they made a mistake in doing so and getting back to what they were doing well - building through the draft, even despite that they lost a lot of their picks. I think they will just compound those mistakes if they continue to seek FA fixes, especially big dollar ones.
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| Hotlanta12 wrote: | | Flaccomania wrote: | | Tzimisce wrote: | | They're gonna break the bank for Mario Williams. Writing's been on the wall for months now. |
It would set their franchise back even further than the Julio Jones trade did.
I'll laugh if they do. |
Your comment makes absolutely no sense. Mario Williams can become a free agent if Houston doesn't re-sign him. We wouldn't trade for him. |
I never once mentioned anything about trading for Mario.
I was replying to the "break the bank for Mario" comment.
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| Flaccomania wrote: | | Tzimisce wrote: | | They're gonna break the bank for Mario Williams. Writing's been on the wall for months now. |
It would set their franchise back even further than the Julio Jones trade did.
I'll laugh if they do. |
I don't see how this is comparable to the Julio trade. Mario is an elite pass-rusher, signing him would make them a much better defense. |
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| game3525 wrote: | | Flaccomania wrote: | | Tzimisce wrote: | | They're gonna break the bank for Mario Williams. Writing's been on the wall for months now. |
It would set their franchise back even further than the Julio Jones trade did.
I'll laugh if they do. |
I don't see how this is comparable to the Julio trade. Mario is an elite pass-rusher, signing him would make them a much better defense. |
See my responses above.
It's not that Mario is a bad player. It's the cost he comes in at, the team's lack of draft picks to continue building a team of young, cheaper talent, as well as the many guys they still need to re-sign.
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Abe is still a tough competitor and def has at least a couple years left
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| Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| game3525 wrote: | | Flaccomania wrote: | | Tzimisce wrote: | | They're gonna break the bank for Mario Williams. Writing's been on the wall for months now. |
It would set their franchise back even further than the Julio Jones trade did.
I'll laugh if they do. |
I don't see how this is comparable to the Julio trade. Mario is an elite pass-rusher, signing him would make them a much better defense. |
13+ million when they have all these young guys Scar talked about who will need to resign soon is not a good move.
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Mario Williams would be an excellent acquisition for Atlanta if they're able to sign him. But I still don't think they'd be good enough to win the division and definitely are not good enough to win or even make the Super Bowl.
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| Flaccomania wrote: | | scar988 wrote: | | Flaccomania wrote: | | Tzimisce wrote: | | They're gonna break the bank for Mario Williams. Writing's been on the wall for months now. |
It would set their franchise back even further than the Julio Jones trade did.
I'll laugh if they do. |
how would upgrading the pass rush hurt the franchise when we have over 35M in cap space right now? re-sign Grimes, Lofton, Decoud, McClure, Weems, Snelling and Douglas, we would still have the money to go after Super Mario. |
Spending that much money on a FA player when you look beyond just this year, will hurt your franchise, particularly when you have Ryan, Turner, and White all going to want new contracts in the next 2-3 years. Plus obviously all of those guys you just listed, plus with giving up as much as you did for Julio you're going to need to utilize FA more since you're missing some key high picks to help build the team.
Spending big dollars in FA is typically not a good thing for a team -- we've seen that over the years. Yes, some pay off, but those teams that spend the big bucks on FAs typically aren't the perennial winners. The Falcons already put themselves in a tough position by giving up all those picks for Julio, I just think that if they go ahead and spend all the money that Super Mario is going to want on top of that, they're just digging themselves a deeper hole. |
current cap for the following years and players under contract for Atlanta:
2012 - 90M towards cap with 47 players under contract (projected 35M in cap space @ 125M cap)
2013 - 80M towards cap with 22 players under contract (projected 50M in cap space @ 130M cap)
2014 - 50M towards cap with 12 players under contract (projected 85M in cap space @ 135M cap)
2015 - 26M towards cap with 3 players under contract (projected 114M in cap space @ 140M cap)
2016 - 6M towards cap with 1 players under contract (projected 139M in cap space @ 145M cap)
So what were you saying again? Falcons can make a bunch of signings this offseason and as long as they are mindful of their future cap a guy like Mario Williams will be easy to fit under cap. This also makes the most sense to re-sign a guy like Ryan to lower the cap even more.
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Maybe the giants ? Apparently they are interested
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Good news for Panthers fans.
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