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Bucketheadsdad
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 Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:18 am Post subject: mock...3 trade downs...renamed...lots of 2013 ammo for a QB |
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We sign these free agents:
Demetrius Bell RT Buffalo
Brandon Carr CB Kansas City
Jason Campbell QB Oakland
We bring back the following guys: Peyton Hillis (seems to be happening already), D’Qwell Jackson, Jordan Norwood, Brian Schaefring, Marcus Bernard, Dmitri Patterson
Following the theme of a previous thread involving a deal between the Browns and the Cowboys.....Cowboys get pick #4 (Claiborne) and the Browns get #14, #46, #114, and 2013 3rd and 5th round picks (roughly 1850 points vs. our 1800 for pick 4)
Trade #14 (1100) to Tennessee (to pick Dre Kirkpatrick {if they lose Finnegan}), we get #20 (850) and #52 (380) and 2013 3rd round pick
Trade #22 (780) [Peter Konz C] to Detroit for pick #54 (360) their 4th rounder, #118 (58 ) and 2013 1st round pick --
Trade picks 104 and 117 (total of 146) to New Orleans for pick #90 (140)
Trade Seneca Wallace to Green Bay (Flynn’s gone, and Rodgers sure as heck isn’t going to be asking Seneca for his input  )for a 2013 5th round pick
Based upon the 2/22 CBS ratings
R1: #20 Quinton Coples DE UNC
R2: #37 Lavonte David OLB Nebraska
R2: via Dallas #46 Rueben Randle WR LSU
R2: via Tenn #52 Chase Minnifield CB Virginia
R2: via Det #54 Orson Charles TE Georgia
R3: #70 Amini Silatolu G Midwestern St.
R3: via NO #90 LaMichael James Oregon
R4 via ATL: #122 Janzen Jackson FS McNeese St
R5: #142 Eric Page WR Toledo
R6: #175 Russell Wilson QB Wisconsin
R6 via Comp: #206 Andrew Datko OT Florida St
R6 via Comp: #208 Tank Carder OLB TCU
R7: #235 Blair Walsh K Georgia
R7 via Comp: #245 Levy Adcock OT OK St.
R7 via Comp: #249 Shawn Loiseau ILB Merrimack
R7 via Comp: #254 Travian Robertson DT South Carolina
we go into 2013 with Detroit’s #1, Tennessee’s #3 and
Dallas’ #3 and #5 picks and Green Bay’s #5 (plenty of
ammunition if we need to move up for a QB in 2013)
Whaddaya think?
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Do you think Coples & Randle will last that long?
Especially after the combine? Idk? I wouldn't think so.
If that did happen...and Coples/Randle fell that far (value picks) and we got that many picks for next year....I don't think I'd be mad.
For creativity and thinking out of the box....I don't mind this draft....but I just can't see that much talent sliding that far.
Do you think that would give us enough firepower on Offense to keep our D off the field? That D would be pretty amazing to build upon and to keep our O on the field....but would our offense be respectable enough? Our biggest issue last year was an Offense that couldn't move the ball to keep drives alive or score TDs/points period. Teams knew if they could keep us inside our 30 or play field position....they were going to win. We just couldn't move the ball....even when our D/STs made plays.
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RabidDawgs
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IMO you traded us down way way too much just for the sake of accumulating in the 2013 draft
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Bucketheadsdad
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| dawgpound1816 wrote: | Do you think Coples & Randle will last that long?
Especially after the combine? Idk? I wouldn't think so.
If that did happen...and Coples/Randle fell that far (value picks) and we got that many picks for next year....I don't think I'd be mad.
For creativity and thinking out of the box....I don't mind this draft....but I just can't see that much talent sliding that far.
Do you think that would give us enough firepower on Offense to keep our D off the field? That D would be pretty amazing to build upon and to keep our O on the field....but would our offense be respectable enough? Our biggest issue last year was an Offense that couldn't move the ball to keep drives alive or score TDs/points period. Teams knew if they could keep us inside our 30 or play field position....they were going to win. We just couldn't move the ball....even when our D/STs made plays. |
I was just basing this upon the CBS rankings as of yesterday. Good possibility that Coples and Randle move up. My thinking was to put together as good a D as possible while adding a few good pieces on offense (Randle, James, Bell) giving us an opportunity to find out if Colt is THE guy or not.
If he's not, we've got a ton of resources to go get the top QB in 2013 draft, and he's got a safety net of having one of the top D's in the league to cover his butt.
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duke2056
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| RabidDawgs wrote: | | IMO you traded us down way way too much just for the sake of accumulating in the 2013 draft |
So you have a problem with a 1st, four 2nds, two 3rds, and them multiple 2013 1sts??? Yeah, that is a a HORRIBLE way to build a team.
And you wonder why no one ever agrees with you.
As for all the trades, not bad, but would MUCH rather have the Cowboys 2nd or 3rd this year, and their 2013 1st. Going into next year with three 1sts. mmmmmmmmmm
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wood1979
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Randle is late first round. And so how do we upgrade the weakest WR group in the league? Dropping back that far for the sake of grabbing more picks at the expense of losing out on playmakers is a bad idea. This team is starved for skilled players.
alternatively:
Stay put, and see how the players fall. My top 3 by pick go:
4: RG3, Claiborne, Richardson
22: C Glenn, M Floyd, K Wright
37: R Randle, D Wilson, W Mercilus |
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Bucketheadsdad
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| wood1979 wrote: | Randle is late first round. And so how do we upgrade the weakest WR group in the league? Dropping back that far for the sake of grabbing more picks at the expense of losing out on playmakers is a bad idea. This team is starved for skilled players.
alternatively:
Stay put, and see how the players fall. My top 3 by pick go:
4: RG3, Claiborne, Richardson
22: C Glenn, M Floyd, K Wright
37: R Randle, D Wilson, W Mercilus |
You're right, Randle probably will be a late 1st, but as most of us putting these together for "stuff and giggles" are using the data that is available. After the combine, Randle will probably move up considerably, while others slide. That's the beauty of doing these. Lots of fun, and it gives us an opportunity to discuss and debate.
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Mastercheddaar
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| Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:38 am Post subject: hmmm |
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Wait what? You lost me with like the 1000th trade. How many picks do we have and why is Couples available with the 20th overall? Also when did he learn that internal affairs was on to him? 
that is all
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McMorrow_922
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Coples will be a top 5 to 10 pick. No Way he is there at 20. I dont see Randle or Minningfield bein there either so unrealistic, noones going to trade that much.
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This is the perfect example of a Madden draft. If we landed this many picks that could accumulate guys of that talent level I would be stunned, either that or I would be a Pats fan.
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Bucketheadsdad
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OK guys......again....I was using the CBS rankings from yesterday....
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings
Is this likely to happen? Probably not, but I figured what the heck, I'd see what we could do based upon that.
Does Dallas need a shut down corner? I think so.
Is Raiola (sp.?) Detroit's on his last leg and they need someone to help keep Stafford perpendicular with the field? I think so.
Might Tennessee lose Finnegan? Could happen.
Have many of us grown frustrated with Senaca's whining? I think so too.
So to call it a "Madden" draft might be a bit disingenuous, as each of the teams I traded with had those specific needs that fit in those spots on CBS's list.
I'm not saying this is a perfect draft, or even one that I'd like to see happen. But I did nothing but use the data from CBS's site. According to them, Coples is still rated at #20. Will he be there this time next week? Doubtful.....but he's there now, so what the heck. 
Heckert has traded up and down several times over the last couple of drafts, so it's not necessarily out of the realm of possibilities.
Based upon this, I've only added one additional pick in 2012, but have parlayed it into five additional picks in 2013.
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duke2056
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What about this scenario. Rams obviously would prefer pick 4 to 6 for a lineman or blackmon.
Say we keep pumping up that we want to trade up for rg3, and then the redskins make a big offer, say something like pick 6, their 2nd, and future 1st.
Then at 4 we trade down with the rams for at least a 2nd this year. They get who they want at 4, we get who we want in maybe claiborne, and we pick up an extra 2nd for free basically.
This is all assuming the guy our FO wants at 4 will be there at 6 of course.
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Bucketheadsdad
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| duke2056 wrote: | What about this scenario. Rams obviously would prefer pick 4 to 6 for a lineman or blackmon.
Say we keep pumping up that we want to trade up for rg3, and then the redskins make a big offer, say something like pick 6, their 2nd, and future 1st.
Then at 4 we trade down with the rams for at least a 2nd this year. They get who they want at 4, we get who we want in maybe claiborne, and we pick up an extra 2nd for free basically.
This is all assuming the guy our FO wants at 4 will be there at 6 of course. |
That's be great if we could do that. Unfortunately, there are those who would think that if we did that it would end up being too "Maddenesque" in nature. 
I do think that if we don't go to get RGIII we are definitely dealing from a position of strength, as there are guys that other teams are going to want.
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blankman0021
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:42 pm Post subject: Re: mock...3 trade downs...renamed...lots of 2013 ammo for a |
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| Bucketheadsdad wrote: | | Trade Seneca Wallace to Green Bay (Flynn’s gone, and Rodgers sure as heck isn’t going to be asking Seneca for his input )for a 2013 5th round pick |
Never gonna happen. TT isn't going to trade our future picks (he never has). That being said, Wallace isn't even worth a 5th to GB. I'd rather roll with what we have on our roster right now.
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| Bucketheadsdad wrote: | | duke2056 wrote: | What about this scenario. Rams obviously would prefer pick 4 to 6 for a lineman or blackmon.
Say we keep pumping up that we want to trade up for rg3, and then the redskins make a big offer, say something like pick 6, their 2nd, and future 1st.
Then at 4 we trade down with the rams for at least a 2nd this year. They get who they want at 4, we get who we want in maybe claiborne, and we pick up an extra 2nd for free basically.
This is all assuming the guy our FO wants at 4 will be there at 6 of course. |
That's be great if we could do that. Unfortunately, there are those who would think that if we did that it would end up being too "Maddenesque" in nature.
I do think that if we don't go to get RGIII we are definitely dealing from a position of strength, as there are guys that other teams are going to want. |
Generally I would agree, but since the Rams are ALREADY shopping the pick, they may very well already have trade #1 lined up. Say they have a trade discussed with the Skins, and then come to us and tell us what the Skins offered.
If we can not match it, we can begin to discuss possibilities if the next guy on their list is there at pick 4.
The Rams would be happy at hell to get not only the number 1 player on their board at pick 4 (since they are not taking a QB), but they also get a future 1st from a mediocre team in the SKins?????
Jackpot if you are the Rams, and semi-jackpot for us if we get the same guy at 6 we woulda taken at 4.
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