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cochise
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Pats sign WR Robert Meachem Saints. Good deep threat and wont break the bank. Guy doesnt have gaudy stats but catches lots of TD's.
Pats resign Welker to a long term contract and bring back Branch on a 1 year deal.
Hopefully Waters doesnt retire.
I think the Pats go back to the 3-4 as their primary D and therefore let Carter and Anderson go.
Pats sign Brandon Carr CB KC. He's only 25 and again shouldnt break the bank.
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1 (27) - Whitney Merciles DE/OLB Illinois - Pass rush help that we so sorely need.
1 (31) - Fletcher Cox DE/DT Miss St - DE in 3-4 and DT in 4-3
2 (4 - Mark Barron S Ala - One of only 2-3 decent safeties in the draft. Hoping he falls to here.
2 (63) Nick Toon WR Wisconsin - Even after signing Meachem the Pats still need 1 more receiver.
3 (94) Michael Brewster C Ohio State - We are likely to resign 1 of Dan Connolly or Dan Koppen but we need a long term solution.
4 (126) Ronnie Hillman RB SD State - Faulk will retire and Pats are likely to let Green-Ellis walk.
Roster would be as follows:
QB (3) Brady, Hoyer, Mallett
RB (5) Vereen, Ridley, Woodhead, Hillman, Polite
WR (6) Welker, Meachem, Branch, Edelman, Slater, Toon
TE (3) Gronkowski, Hernandez, Dickerson
OL (9) Light, Mankins, Connolly, Waters, Vollmer, Solder, Cannon, Wendell, Brewster
DL (7) Wilfork, Warren, Deaderick, Love, Cox, Pryor, Brace
LB ( Mayo, Spikes, Fletcher, Ninkovich, Cunningham, White, Mercilus,
DB (9) McCourty, Arrington, Chung, Dowling, Carr, Barron, Moore, Ihedigbo, Molden
Specialists Mesko, Gostkowski, Aiken |
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Canadian_Patriot
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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If we signed Meachem and Carr, I wouldn't care who the heck we got in the draft lol, roll the dice. I'd be pretty pleased with this, I like the Nick Toon pick the most.
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mcmurtry86
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:51 pm Post subject: Re: Pats offseason |
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| cochise wrote: |
Pats sign Brandon Carr CB KC. He's only 25 and again shouldnt break the bank.
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I'd guess Carr is going to get paid big time. Probably in the $8-9M per year range. He's young, talented, scheme versatile and plays one of the (nowadays) most coveted positions in the league. I'd love the Pats to sign him, but I don't see it for financial reasons.
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1 (27) - Whitney Merciles DE/OLB Illinois - Pass rush help that we so sorely need. |
Why do people still think Mercilus can play OLB? Barring an exceptional showing next week in linebacker drills, I see him as strictly a 4-3 LE. At #27, the Pats could get a much more rounded and versatile player. I don't understand the Mercilus hype at all.
| Quote: | 2 (48 ) - Mark Barron S Ala - One of only 2-3 decent safeties in the draft. Hoping he falls to here
2 (63) Nick Toon WR Wisconsin - Even after signing Meachem the Pats still need 1 more receiver.
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I really dislike both of these picks. Barron because he doesn't really fit what the Pats need. They have a safety with mediocre cover ability who can support the run (Chung). Watching Chung at FS with Ihedigbo at SS was ugly. Unless the Pats think Chung can further develop in coverage (which plays away from his strengths), I would much prefer his partner to be a top coverage guy - which Barron definitely is not.
Toon isn't what I want out of a Patriots receiver - he's not great in and out of breaks and lacks "game breaking" speed. He also has injury problems and a limited track record of success.
The Pats need one of two types of receivers: a vertical threat (which Toon isn't) or a high quality slot/short game receiver (which Toon lacks the quickness for). A guy with mediocre speed and short-area quickness is likely to struggle to gain separation in the pros. He does have some upside, but he's not a guy who fits what the Pats need. I don't think it's a good scheme fit.
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4 (126) Ronnie Hillman RB SD State - Faulk will retire and Pats are likely to let Green-Ellis walk.
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I don't know that it's "likely" that Green-Ellis would walk. Nothing against Hillman, who is a decent prospect, but IMO it's more likely than not that Green-Ellis is back next year.
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cochise
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| I hear a lot of other receivers being mentioned but I really think Meachem is the best match talent and cost wise. |
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cochise
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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| The Toon pick would change if Meachem isnt signed as the deep threat. |
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mcmurtry86
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| cochise wrote: | | The Toon pick would change if Meachem isnt signed as the deep threat. |
Where in the offense does a 6'2 220 lbs receiver with mediocre quickness fit in the offense? Anything that player could do, the Pats could use a TE for.
The issue for me in your scenario is that Meachem (whom I like) and Toon (who is OK but not a great system fit IMO) are both big injury risks. That's a lot of trust (and resources) you're using to fill a position with two guys who can't stay healthy. |
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cochise
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| According to Pro Football Reference .com Meachem has played all 16 games the last 3 years. |
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mcmurtry86
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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| cochise wrote: | | According to Pro Football Reference .com Meachem has played all 16 games the last 3 years. |
And he's also been banged up a lot and at limited strength. Offseason/late-season injuries and a number of small nagging issues are one of the reasons why he's never hit his full potential. He also missed his entire rookie year with an injury.
He's more durable than, say, Anthony Gonzalez. But Meachem hasn't exactly been near full strength for most of his career. |
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| cochise wrote: | | According to Pro Football Reference .com Meachem has played all 16 games the last 3 years. |
He is also the Saints semi nickel WR. Marques Colston and Henderson are usually the 2 WR out there. |
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| Why not Brandon Lloyd instead of Meachem. He has demonstrated an ability to work well inside McDaniels system. Expressed a strong desire to continue working with MCD. I realize hes not a speed threat, but IMO Meachem is severly overrated, nothing better than a #3 option and benefited from having several good options around him. There doesnt look like any hope of Barron lasting into the middle of round 2. I like Mercilus, Id love to pair him with Burfict in the first round. I realize Burfict isnt a popular pick because he doesnt fill a need possibly? But i love what he brings and i think he could be a versatile weapon. He brings size, speed, and attitude, and id love to see what he would bring playing along side Spikes and Mayo, and possibly even Mercilus. I dont see the DLine as big a need as others as Deaderick and love seem to be solid players, Warren still has something left. I agree safety/CB are huge needs, thats blatantly obvious. Id love to see Carr, or Porter, or Ross or really any of the proven CB's. Even if it does require a huge investment. Id love to see a speed threat in addition to Lloyd taken in the draft. Ideally someone like Kendall Wright but he doesnt look like he will be there in the second. |
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cochise
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| pjhdsn wrote: | | Why not Brandon Lloyd instead of Meachem. He has demonstrated an ability to work well inside McDaniels system. Expressed a strong desire to continue working with MCD. I realize hes not a speed threat, but IMO Meachem is severly overrated, nothing better than a #3 option and benefited from having several good options around him. There doesnt look like any hope of Barron lasting into the middle of round 2. I like Mercilus, Id love to pair him with Burfict in the first round. I realize Burfict isnt a popular pick because he doesnt fill a need possibly? But i love what he brings and i think he could be a versatile weapon. He brings size, speed, and attitude, and id love to see what he would bring playing along side Spikes and Mayo, and possibly even Mercilus. I dont see the DLine as big a need as others as Deaderick and love seem to be solid players, Warren still has something left. I agree safety/CB are huge needs, thats blatantly obvious. Id love to see Carr, or Porter, or Ross or really any of the proven CB's. Even if it does require a huge investment. Id love to see a speed threat in addition to Lloyd taken in the draft. Ideally someone like Kendall Wright but he doesnt look like he will be there in the second. |
I think Meachem is the right pick partly because he is a #3 option. Lloyd fancies himself a #1 receiver. You already have Welker catching 120 balls and Gronk another 90. I would look for Meachem to do what he did at NO. Catch 50 balls for 700 yards and 6-9 TD's. He would benefit here from having several good options around him. He isnt going to cost as much as Lloyd which is important if we are going to resign Welker.
I would like Burflict. Sometimes I think we are too scheme specific. Lets get some athletes like Burflict and Mercilus and figure out how to use them best. |
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mcmurtry86
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| cochise wrote: | | pjhdsn wrote: | | Why not Brandon Lloyd instead of Meachem. He has demonstrated an ability to work well inside McDaniels system. Expressed a strong desire to continue working with MCD. I realize hes not a speed threat, but IMO Meachem is severly overrated, nothing better than a #3 option and benefited from having several good options around him. There doesnt look like any hope of Barron lasting into the middle of round 2. I like Mercilus, Id love to pair him with Burfict in the first round. I realize Burfict isnt a popular pick because he doesnt fill a need possibly? But i love what he brings and i think he could be a versatile weapon. He brings size, speed, and attitude, and id love to see what he would bring playing along side Spikes and Mayo, and possibly even Mercilus. I dont see the DLine as big a need as others as Deaderick and love seem to be solid players, Warren still has something left. I agree safety/CB are huge needs, thats blatantly obvious. Id love to see Carr, or Porter, or Ross or really any of the proven CB's. Even if it does require a huge investment. Id love to see a speed threat in addition to Lloyd taken in the draft. Ideally someone like Kendall Wright but he doesnt look like he will be there in the second. |
I think Meachem is the right pick partly because he is a #3 option. Lloyd fancies himself a #1 receiver. You already have Welker catching 120 balls and Gronk another 90. I would look for Meachem to do what he did at NO. Catch 50 balls for 700 yards and 6-9 TD's. He would benefit here from having several good options around him. He isnt going to cost as much as Lloyd which is important if we are going to resign Welker.
I would like Burflict. Sometimes I think we are too scheme specific. Lets get some athletes like Burflict and Mercilus and figure out how to use them best. |
Problem is, if you get Mercilus, you're committing to a 4-3. I don't see Belichick spending a high pick on a guy who isn't scheme versatile.
Anyone who, as of now, is thinking Mercilus can play OLB in a 3-4 is misguided. Even if he could play a 3-4, there will probably be better options available. |
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Do y'all have the cap space to bring in some Mario Williams?
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mcmurtry86
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| Deets wrote: | | Do y'all have the cap space to bring in some Mario Williams? |
Yes. An estimated $25-30M in cap space. |
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| mcmurtry86 wrote: | | Deets wrote: | | Do y'all have the cap space to bring in some Mario Williams? |
Yes. An estimated $25-30M in cap space. |
After re-signings how much cap space can we expect?
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