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| Alameda Ta'amu - DT |
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| Andre Branch - DE |
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| Audie Cole - ILB |
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| Ben Jones - C |
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| Brandon Weeden - QB |
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| Brandon Thompson - DT |
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| Brandon Washington - G |
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| Coby Fleener - TE |
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| David Wilson - RB |
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| Dwayne Allen - TE |
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| Dwight Jones - WR |
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| Kelechi Osemele - G/T |
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| Leonard Johnson - CB |
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| Markelle Martin - FS |
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| Melvin Ingram - DE |
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| Nick Foles - QB |
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| Nigel Bradham - ILB |
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| Stephen Hill - WR |
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| Stephon Gilmore - CB |
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| Other (Please State) |
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I went with Weeden for several reasons:
1. I'm assuming he looks better than Foles, Cousins or Moore at this point in the draft. I didn't coach them at the Senior Bowl though, or win multiple Superbowls coaching great quarterbacks...
2. Age is not a concern at ALL to me considering the need for QB and the drastic difference talent at the position makes. If we get 4-5 years of good or great play that's enough for me, and more than Many teams get when drafting QBs. I'd take a QB next year too without a second thought if that draft class is better. Load that position with talent and let them compete until one proves himself "elite".
3.He was crisp, accurate on short and deep passes and showed a strong arm from reports. And was great on roll-outs (much better to the right though). Didn't make predictable mistakes. We need that from the position.
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I honestly cannot buy the claim that Ta'amu is a 4th round talent - boggles my mind. I think there's a very high probability that he's picked before the Skins select in the second, but if he were available I think you have to select him. Guys with Ta'amu's physical attributes are super hard to find.
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| footy_29 wrote: | | I honestly cannot buy the claim that Ta'amu is a 4th round talent - boggles my mind. I think there's a very high probability that he's picked before the Skins select in the second, but if he were available I think you have to select him. Guys with Ta'amu's physical attributes are super hard to find. |
It's only one sites opinion and I'd have to guess since Mid doesn't want us to select him that he searched for a site that said he wasn't work selecting in the first two rounds.  definitely clever on his part and I would have done the same. I've seen at least two other mock drafts that have him going in round two. This also is before the combine where I think both you and I expect Ta'Amu to wow and shock a lot of people.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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| turtle28 wrote: | | footy_29 wrote: | | I honestly cannot buy the claim that Ta'amu is a 4th round talent - boggles my mind. I think there's a very high probability that he's picked before the Skins select in the second, but if he were available I think you have to select him. Guys with Ta'amu's physical attributes are super hard to find. |
It's only one sites opinion and I'd have to guess since Mid doesn't want us to select him that he searched for a site that said he wasn't work selecting in the first two rounds. definitely clever on his part and I would have done the same. I've seen at least two other mock drafts that have him going in round two. This also is before the combine where I think both you and I expect Ta'Amu to wow and shock a lot of people. |
Turtle - I highly doubt that is Mid's agenda (I think he argues with intellectual honesty) but I'll let him explain. I just saw him pick a site that he probably trusts (since the DSL doesn't come out for awhile).
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| Thaiphoon wrote: | | turtle28 wrote: | | footy_29 wrote: | | I honestly cannot buy the claim that Ta'amu is a 4th round talent - boggles my mind. I think there's a very high probability that he's picked before the Skins select in the second, but if he were available I think you have to select him. Guys with Ta'amu's physical attributes are super hard to find. |
It's only one sites opinion and I'd have to guess since Mid doesn't want us to select him that he searched for a site that said he wasn't work selecting in the first two rounds. definitely clever on his part and I would have done the same. I've seen at least two other mock drafts that have him going in round two. This also is before the combine where I think both you and I expect Ta'Amu to wow and shock a lot of people. |
Turtle - I highly doubt that is Mid's agenda (I think he argues with intellectual honesty) but I'll let him explain. I just saw him pick a site that he probably trusts (since the DSL doesn't come out for awhile). |
I didn't mean it was a horrible thing. We all do it. I've done it. Everyone is guiltily of having an opinion and then finding an article or an expert that agrees with them somewhere and posting that as proof. I've did the same thing last week when I was trying to prove to a steelers fan that I didn't think Hightower was good in coverage. I found a scout that said the same thing that I thought and had seen/heard as well.
The poster naturally wrote it off as just mine and that scouts opinion but still. Same point here. I actually had the same discussion with this same steelers poster about Ta'amu that Footy and I have with mid and guess what?
That guy likes to use this same raking of players as his reference. 
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Turtle - I highly doubt that is Mid's agenda (I think he argues with intellectual honesty) but I'll let him explain. I just saw him pick a site that he probably trusts (since the DSL doesn't come out for awhile). |
Thank you, and you are correct. The first site I checked was Walter, and it doesn't rank players from 1-100 or whatever, which was needed in the context of listing players, then erasing the ones that Goldfishwars said were already taken. Correct again that the DSL is the source that I believe in most and without digging around a bunch of unknown sites, there are very few that actually have a list of prospects. CBSsports was the next one I checked and went with it because It was the first one I came to with a list of prospects. After posting I also looked at fftoolbox that had Ta'amu at #72, which is still about where we will be picking in the 3rd round.
There was a lot of hype about Ta'amu in 2011, but now it seems as if his value is dropping. Maybe he had a bad season? I don't know. The DSL's preview had him as a 2A, so maybe he can redeem himself at the Combine.
Regardless of reaching for him, NT still isn't a need. The organization is 100% happy with Cofield, the progress he made throughout the season and his attitude about getting better. It would be foolish to pull the rug out from him after only one year. If Cofield doesn't play well after his second year, then I would be more willing to look for a replacement in 2013. I just think there are better positions to address in this year's draft. |
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Adding young talent to your defensive line is "FAR" from pulling the rug out from under your starter in a position. Just because we added Jarvis Jenkins in round 2 of last years draft didn't mean we didn't like Carriker amongst other De's on our roster. We actually went out and added more DE talent to our roster because once free agency hit, we also added Bowen.
I'm not a fan of just stopping to add young talent in a position because you like the starter. That kind of philosophy killed this organizations development of young offensive lineman and defensive lineman for a decade. Our front office and coaches liked our starters on OL and DL so much in the 2000's that they didn't address those positions in the draft with young talent and we suffered the consequences when the starters got hurt. Often times we panicked and traded draft picks for players. Draft picks which we should have used on young offensive lineman and defensive lineman to begin with so when major injuries hit, we weren't caught with our pants down around our ankles.
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| turtle28 wrote: | Adding young talent to your defensive line is "FAR" from pulling the rug out from under your starter in a position. Just because we added Jarvis Jenkins in round 2 of last years draft didn't mean we didn't like Carriker amongst other De's on our roster. We actually went out and added more DE talent to our roster because once free agency hit, we also added Bowen.
I'm not a fan of just stopping to add young talent in a position because you like the starter. That kind of philosophy killed this organizations development of young offensive lineman and defensive lineman for a decade. Our front office and coaches liked our starters on OL and DL so much in the 2000's that they didn't address those positions in the draft with young talent and we suffered the consequences when the starters got hurt. Often times we panicked and traded draft picks for players. Draft picks which we should have used on young offensive lineman and defensive lineman to begin with so when major injuries hit, we weren't caught with our pants down around our ankles. |
Continuing to "bolster" certain positions while repeatedly ignoring other positions of need also hurt the organization immensely
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I went David Wilson. An explosive 3rd down back and he'd surpass Royster on the depth chart.
Of all the names listed, I'm most familiar with him and I know that he'll be good. I like Melvin Ingram, too. He and Upshaw are my two favorite defensive players in the draft.
I don't even know where Bruce Irvin is slated to go, but I'd definitely draft him anywhere after the 5th round as a situational pass rushing OLB.
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Continuing to "bolster" certain positions while repeatedly ignoring other positions of need also hurt the organization immensely |
It's more a question of value. If there is a NT with a solid first round grade that fell to us in the second, I wouldn't have a problem with taking a great talent even if it's not a need. We didn't need a TE in the 2008 draft, but Fred Davis had a first round grade, and for Cerrato to pick him up in the second round was quite a steal, and it's paying dividends now. But Ta'amu is not a value pick in the second round. He is a very big reach at a position we don't have a real need for. We might be able to get him in the third round. If so, then we probably have a good value pick. In he second round, I would be looking at a player with a first round grade that has slipped to the second as a value pick, or a player that is pretty close to an actual need like QB. |
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| S. Taylor wrote: | I went David Wilson. An explosive 3rd down back and he'd surpass Royster on the depth chart.
Of all the names listed, I'm most familiar with him and I know that he'll be good. I like Melvin Ingram, too. He and Upshaw are my two favorite defensive players in the draft.
I don't even know where Bruce Irvin is slated to go, but I'd definitely draft him anywhere after the 5th round as a situational pass rushing OLB. |
Irvin had a great year in 2010. He had 14 sacks and picked up some awards. Many drafts had him as a late first round pick. I'm a WVU fan, and I never saw the greatness. What I saw was a player coming out of nowhere, and teams just weren't ready for him. In 2011, teams were more prepared for him, and as a pass rush specialist, only had 8 sacks. He also has character concerns. He tends to run his mouth a little too much and is a high school dropout. I could see him picked in the third round by a team hoping to get the 2010 version of him. |
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Okay, with 10% of votes ahead of the rest - the pick is in for Brandon Weeden.
Cheers for the input guys.
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| DCRED wrote: | | turtle28 wrote: | Adding young talent to your defensive line is "FAR" from pulling the rug out from under your starter in a position. Just because we added Jarvis Jenkins in round 2 of last years draft didn't mean we didn't like Carriker amongst other De's on our roster. We actually went out and added more DE talent to our roster because once free agency hit, we also added Bowen.
I'm not a fan of just stopping to add young talent in a position because you like the starter. That kind of philosophy killed this organizations development of young offensive lineman and defensive lineman for a decade. Our front office and coaches liked our starters on OL and DL so much in the 2000's that they didn't address those positions in the draft with young talent and we suffered the consequences when the starters got hurt. Often times we panicked and traded draft picks for players. Draft picks which we should have used on young offensive lineman and defensive lineman to begin with so when major injuries hit, we weren't caught with our pants down around our ankles. |
Continuing to "bolster" certain positions while repeatedly ignoring other positions of need also hurt the organization immensely |
True but it's Not like our DL is amazing or anything. and it's one pick in a position where having a few great players is a great thing to have
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| turtle28 wrote: | | DCRED wrote: | | turtle28 wrote: | Adding young talent to your defensive line is "FAR" from pulling the rug out from under your starter in a position. Just because we added Jarvis Jenkins in round 2 of last years draft didn't mean we didn't like Carriker amongst other De's on our roster. We actually went out and added more DE talent to our roster because once free agency hit, we also added Bowen.
I'm not a fan of just stopping to add young talent in a position because you like the starter. That kind of philosophy killed this organizations development of young offensive lineman and defensive lineman for a decade. Our front office and coaches liked our starters on OL and DL so much in the 2000's that they didn't address those positions in the draft with young talent and we suffered the consequences when the starters got hurt. Often times we panicked and traded draft picks for players. Draft picks which we should have used on young offensive lineman and defensive lineman to begin with so when major injuries hit, we weren't caught with our pants down around our ankles. |
Continuing to "bolster" certain positions while repeatedly ignoring other positions of need also hurt the organization immensely |
True but it's Not like our DL is amazing or anything. and it's one pick in a position where having a few great players is a great thing to have |
Turtle you'll probably never hear me complaining about the team adding more talent and depth along Either O or Dlines. I should have read your post better. But what I was referring to is the Cerrato years where we kept reaching at certain positions even when we had the positions filled because the bonehead thought he was making "value picks". Please don't ask me to look it up- you've been a fan probably just as long but the positions I remember were LB, CB, FB, RB and they were redundantly drafted with players who were cut soon after while Cerrato was prince...And we NEEDED players at other spots like both Lines as you mentioned
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I realize it is already over, but I went with Washington.
Two reasons:
1. Following the CBS Sports (read: NFLDraftScout.com) list, he was the highest ranked guy we could use.
2. How could you not like having a guy with Washington as the last name on Washington's team? |
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