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Current Staff
| Quote: | GM : EaglesFan5-36-81
AGM : Eagles_808
Capologist: UKEaglesFan
Director of Scouting: birdman0069
Director of College Scouting / Head College Scout: marky_b27
Head Offensive Scout: Bednarik60
QB Scout:
RB Scout:
WR/TE Scout: va4hustlers
OL Scout:
Head Defensive Scout: bkb77
DL Scout: T-rade
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Director of Player Personnel: utley4568
Director of Pro Personnel: Hockey5djh
Public Relations Director: Blahman88
Head Coach: Kiltman
Offensive Coordinator: Dr. Philly
QB Coach: AlexM23
RB Coach: RainbowCarebear
WR Coach: McNabbMcFadden
TE Coach:
OL Coach:
Defensive Coordinator:
DL Coach: JayAp07
LB Coach: mm6492
DB Coach: eagles101
Special Teams Coordinator: LOLKevinKolb
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Current Roster
| Quote: |  15. Philadelphia Eagles -- 113.494 Cap Space Committed; Cap Space Available 11.506M |
2012 Free Agents
| Quote: | Ronnie Brown RB
King Dunlap OT (RESIGNED)
DeSean Jackson WR (FRANCHISE TAGGED)
Evan Mathis OG
Owen Schmitt FB
Steve Smith WR
Vince Young QB
Victor Abiamiri DE
Antonio Dixon DE (RFA - RESIGNED)
Derek Landri (RESIGNED)
Trevor Laws DT (RESIGNED)
Juqua Parker DE |
2012 Trade Block
| Quote: | DeSean Jackson, WR (Tag and Trade)
Mike Patterson, DT |
2012 Draft Picks
| Quote: | (1) - #10 - Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame
(2) - #11 - Brandon Thompson, DT, Clemson
(2) - #19 - Ronnell Lewis, LB, Oklahoma
(4) - #19
(5) - #15 - from CHI in Asante Samuel Trade
(6) - #25 - from DEN
(6) - #31 - from NE
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Eagles_808
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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Transactions
| Quote: | Talent Agency Resignings
Philadelphia Eagles:
Evan Mathis - Declined
Derek Landri - Accepted |
| Quote: | The Philadelphia Eagles would like to announce the roster cuts of these following players:
 Brett Brackett ($390,000)
Graig Cooper ($390,000)
Maurice Fountain ($465,000)
Mardy Gilyard ($465,000)
Jamel Hamler ($465,000)
DJ Johnson ($465,000)
Ronald Johnson ($465,000)
Winston Justice ($2,340,000)
Trevard Lindley ($465,000)
Dallas Reynolds ($540,000)
Zane Taylor ($390,000)
Total cap savings of $6.840 million |
| Quote: | Chicago Bears receive:
CB Asante Samuel
Philadelphia Eagles receive:
Carolina Panthers' third round pick (3-10) and Bears 5th (5-18 ) |
| Quote: | Eagles get:
OG Ryan Lilja
7th Round Pick (203rd overall) - 10.2 Points
Chiefs get:
4th Round Pick (100th overall) - 100 Points
6th Round Pick (177th overall) - 20.6 Points |
| Quote: | | The Philadelphia Eagles Place The Franchise Tag on WR DeSean Jackson ($9.806M) |
| Quote: | Philadelphia Eagles get:
Jonathan Vilma
5th (#27) round pick
6th (#7) round pick (from WAS)
New Orleans Saints get:
3rd round (#13) pick |
| Quote: | | The Philadelphia Eagles place a 2nd round tender on RFA DT Antonio Dixon ($1.93 M). |
| Quote: | Eagles get:
Mike Goodson
Panthers get:
5th round (#18 ) pick |
| Quote: | | your penalty [for "tampering"] has been reduced to $1.241M of your cap. |
| Quote: | Eagles get:
1st Round (#10)
Bills get:
1st Round (#15)
3rd Round (#10)
6th Round (#7)
Darryl Tapp (DE) |
| Quote: | The Eagles cut:
Moise Fokou ($465,000)
Akeem Jordan ($700,000)
Stanley Havili ($390,000)
Cedric Thornton ($456,000) |
| Quote: | The Eagles sign:
QB Dennis Dixon ($1.25M)
FB Michael Robinson ($750,000)
OT King Dunlap ($950,000)
DT Trevor Laws ($700,000) |
| Quote: | PHI gets:
#43
BAL gets:
#46
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Draft Picks
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Adding Floyd, a true Split End receiver and redzone threat, will make us an even more explosive, and much more efficient offense. Floyd will give us that true #1 receiver we have lacked since Terrell Owens, allows us to kick Jeremy Maclin into the slot, and Jackson to stick at flanker. We improve our already explosive offense with the addition of Floyd, who to us, has Larry Fitzgerald like upside. He was very productive in a pro style offense at Notre Dame, and we see him continuing that here in Philadelphia.
Previous Cap
$5,209,000
Floyd Cap Hit
$2,342,000
New Cap
$2,867,000
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Prior Cap Number: $2.867 M
Thompson Cap hit: $.926 M
New Cap Number: $1.941 M |
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| Quote: | Old Cap Number: $1.941 M
Lewis Cap Hit: $.771 M
New Cap Space: $1.17 M |
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Eagles_808
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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Updated Depth Chart
FA/trade addition | draft pick
| Quote: | Offense (22):
QB - Vick / D Dixon / Kafka
RB - McCoy / Goodson / D Lewis
FB - Robinson
WR - D Jackson
WR - Floyd / Cooper
Slot WR - Maclin / Avant
TE - Celek / Harbor
LT - Peters
LG - Lilja / Vandervelde
C - Kelce / J Jackson
RG - Watkins
RT - Herremans / Dunlap |
| Quote: | Defense (26):
RDE - Cole / Hunt
UT - Jenkins / Landri / Laws
NT - Patterson / Thompson / A Dixon
LDE - Babin / Graham
WLB - Rolle / Chaney / Clayton
MLB - Vilma / Matthews
SLB - R Lewis
RCB - Asomugha / Hughes
LCB - Rodgers-Cromartie / Marsh
Slot CB- Hanson
FS - Allen / Anderson / Nelson
SS - Coleman / Jarrett |
| Quote: | Special Teams (3):
K - Henery
P - Henry
LS - Dorenbos |
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Kiltman
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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I was wondering if we were moving on to part two, good looking out 808
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Kiltman
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| Eagles_808 wrote: | | skaterbirdhouse wrote: | | Rather than the original pick you were going to have to give up your penalty has been reduced to 1.241M of your cap. |
I hadn't touched on this since the ruling was made over the weekend, but I would rather just lose the 5th round pick than the cap space, TBH. |
I'd prefer we not be penalized for nothing, but yea I'd rather cough up a pick then the cash
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Here in Philadelphia we like Brandon Graham and think his skill set will fit in nicely with the wide-9, however with his injury history he hasn't proven worth of $2,490,620 roster bonus yet. That said we have no doubts that he will prove worthy of it thus we are offering to turn that roster bonus into a prorated signing bonus over the next 4 seasons (2012, 13, 14,and 15) which would increase the prorated signing bonus to but would bring his signing bonus to $2,330,155 per season from $1,707,500. The rest of his contract would shake out as follows.
4 Years / $14,478,090 / $9,320,620 Signing Bonus
2012
Base Salary
$827,500
Bonus
$2,330,155
Total
$3,157,665
2013
Base Salary
1,250,000
Bonus
$2,300,155
Total
$3,550,155
2014
Base Salary
$1,670,000
Bonus
$2,300,155
Total
$3,970,155
2015
Base Salary
$1,500,000
Signing Bonus
$2,300,155
Total
$3,800,155
The deal saves us cap room in the short term while keeping all of Graham's cap hits under 4 million, while it guarantees Graham's roster bonus and increases his cap hit in 2013, 14, and 15. |
Back to the Graham re-structure heres what it would look like.
Also, me, Kilty, and 808 have agreed that the following trade is pretty good value and we clear cap space in doing so:
| Quote: | Philadelphia Gets
Buffalo's First Round Pick 1(10)
Buffalo Gets
Philadelphia's 1st Round Pick (15)
Carolina's 3rd Round Pick (10)
Washington's 6th Round Pick (7)
DE Darryl Tapp |
3-0 Yes, first to 5.
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LOLKevinKolb
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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Not necessarily a fan. I think we'll need that third later if we want a second first rounder down the road, and I don't really see anyone worth trading up those five spots for.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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| EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote: | | Back to the Graham re-structure heres what it would look like. |
I really hope they accept that proposal. I think it seems fair.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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| LOLKevinKolb wrote: | | Not necessarily a fan. |
And the talent drop off between 10 and 15 is minimal.
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Hockey5djh
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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| EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote: | | Quote: | Here in Philadelphia we like Brandon Graham and think his skill set will fit in nicely with the wide-9, however with his injury history he hasn't proven worth of $2,490,620 roster bonus yet. That said we have no doubts that he will prove worthy of it thus we are offering to turn that roster bonus into a prorated signing bonus over the next 4 seasons (2012, 13, 14,and 15) which would increase the prorated signing bonus to but would bring his signing bonus to $2,330,155 per season from $1,707,500. The rest of his contract would shake out as follows.
4 Years / $14,478,090 / $9,320,620 Signing Bonus
2012
Base Salary
$827,500
Bonus
$2,330,155
Total
$3,157,665
2013
Base Salary
1,250,000
Bonus
$2,300,155
Total
$3,550,155
2014
Base Salary
$1,670,000
Bonus
$2,300,155
Total
$3,970,155
2015
Base Salary
$1,500,000
Signing Bonus
$2,300,155
Total
$3,800,155
The deal saves us cap room in the short term while keeping all of Graham's cap hits under 4 million, while it guarantees Graham's roster bonus and increases his cap hit in 2013, 14, and 15. |
Back to the Graham re-structure heres what it would look like. |
This will get rejected. He not only loses his 5 million dollar pay check but he makes the same/less than he would have in the entirety. You need to give him something for him to accept a restructure, players don't just turn down 5 million dollar checks to "help the team".
| EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote: | Also, me, Kilty, and 808 have agreed that the following trade is pretty good value and we clear cap space in doing so:
| Quote: | Philadelphia Gets
Buffalo's First Round Pick 1(10)
Buffalo Gets
Philadelphia's 1st Round Pick (15)
Carolina's 3rd Round Pick (10)
Washington's 6th Round Pick (7)
DE Darryl Tapp |
3-0 Yes, first to 5. |
I'll yes this
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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LOLKK and RainbowCarebear...you have mail
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| Hockey5djh wrote: | | EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote: | | Quote: | Here in Philadelphia we like Brandon Graham and think his skill set will fit in nicely with the wide-9, however with his injury history he hasn't proven worth of $2,490,620 roster bonus yet. That said we have no doubts that he will prove worthy of it thus we are offering to turn that roster bonus into a prorated signing bonus over the next 4 seasons (2012, 13, 14,and 15) which would increase the prorated signing bonus to but would bring his signing bonus to $2,330,155 per season from $1,707,500. The rest of his contract would shake out as follows.
4 Years / $14,478,090 / $9,320,620 Signing Bonus
2012
Base Salary
$827,500
Bonus
$2,330,155
Total
$3,157,665
2013
Base Salary
1,250,000
Bonus
$2,300,155
Total
$3,550,155
2014
Base Salary
$1,670,000
Bonus
$2,300,155
Total
$3,970,155
2015
Base Salary
$1,500,000
Signing Bonus
$2,300,155
Total
$3,800,155
The deal saves us cap room in the short term while keeping all of Graham's cap hits under 4 million, while it guarantees Graham's roster bonus and increases his cap hit in 2013, 14, and 15. |
Back to the Graham re-structure heres what it would look like. |
This will get rejected. He not only loses his 5 million dollar pay check but he makes the same/less than he would have in the entirety. You need to give him something for him to accept a restructure, players don't just turn down 5 million dollar checks to "help the team". |
How so, he doesn't lose 5 million, in fact, this deal guarentees he makes that in addition although it is spread out. It is the same exact deal sans the roster bonus but with more guarenteed money over the last 4 years.
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| EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote: | | Hockey5djh wrote: | | EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote: | | Quote: | Here in Philadelphia we like Brandon Graham and think his skill set will fit in nicely with the wide-9, however with his injury history he hasn't proven worth of $2,490,620 roster bonus yet. That said we have no doubts that he will prove worthy of it thus we are offering to turn that roster bonus into a prorated signing bonus over the next 4 seasons (2012, 13, 14,and 15) which would increase the prorated signing bonus to but would bring his signing bonus to $2,330,155 per season from $1,707,500. The rest of his contract would shake out as follows.
4 Years / $14,478,090 / $9,320,620 Signing Bonus
2012
Base Salary
$827,500
Bonus
$2,330,155
Total
$3,157,665
2013
Base Salary
1,250,000
Bonus
$2,300,155
Total
$3,550,155
2014
Base Salary
$1,670,000
Bonus
$2,300,155
Total
$3,970,155
2015
Base Salary
$1,500,000
Signing Bonus
$2,300,155
Total
$3,800,155
The deal saves us cap room in the short term while keeping all of Graham's cap hits under 4 million, while it guarantees Graham's roster bonus and increases his cap hit in 2013, 14, and 15. |
Back to the Graham re-structure heres what it would look like. |
This will get rejected. He not only loses his 5 million dollar pay check but he makes the same/less than he would have in the entirety. You need to give him something for him to accept a restructure, players don't just turn down 5 million dollar checks to "help the team". |
How so, he doesn't lose 5 million, in fact, this deal guarentees he makes that in addition although it is spread out. It is the same exact deal sans the roster bonus but with more guarenteed money over the last 4 years. |
I'm playing devils advocate. You're basically going to a player and asking him to take less money now (dropping his bonus from 5 mil to 1.7 mil) and just give it to him later with no extra incentives (aka more years or more money). Players don't do that on a everyday basis and certainly won't do it because they got injured and didn't perform up to expectations in the first two years of their deal.
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| BAMD wrote: | | NHN wrote: |
This. It's trying to make him something he's not ... |
A QB, perhaps? |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Hockey5djh wrote: | | EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote: | | Hockey5djh wrote: | | EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote: | | Quote: | Here in Philadelphia we like Brandon Graham and think his skill set will fit in nicely with the wide-9, however with his injury history he hasn't proven worth of $2,490,620 roster bonus yet. That said we have no doubts that he will prove worthy of it thus we are offering to turn that roster bonus into a prorated signing bonus over the next 4 seasons (2012, 13, 14,and 15) which would increase the prorated signing bonus to but would bring his signing bonus to $2,330,155 per season from $1,707,500. The rest of his contract would shake out as follows.
4 Years / $14,478,090 / $9,320,620 Signing Bonus
2012
Base Salary
$827,500
Bonus
$2,330,155
Total
$3,157,665
2013
Base Salary
1,250,000
Bonus
$2,300,155
Total
$3,550,155
2014
Base Salary
$1,670,000
Bonus
$2,300,155
Total
$3,970,155
2015
Base Salary
$1,500,000
Signing Bonus
$2,300,155
Total
$3,800,155
The deal saves us cap room in the short term while keeping all of Graham's cap hits under 4 million, while it guarantees Graham's roster bonus and increases his cap hit in 2013, 14, and 15. |
Back to the Graham re-structure heres what it would look like. |
This will get rejected. He not only loses his 5 million dollar pay check but he makes the same/less than he would have in the entirety. You need to give him something for him to accept a restructure, players don't just turn down 5 million dollar checks to "help the team". |
How so, he doesn't lose 5 million, in fact, this deal guarentees he makes that in addition although it is spread out. It is the same exact deal sans the roster bonus but with more guarenteed money over the last 4 years. |
I'm playing devils advocate. You're basically going to a player and asking him to take less money now (dropping his bonus from 5 mil to 1.7 mil) and just give it to him later with no extra incentives (aka more years or more money). Players don't do that on a everyday basis and certainly won't do it because they got injured and didn't perform up to expectations in the first two years of their deal. |
To my knowledge, signing bonuses are paid up front but the distribution of the cap is what the proration is for, am I right or wrong?
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1st page?
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