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| lumberjackchris wrote: | | amazingandre wrote: | | Texansfan713 wrote: | | amazingandre wrote: | I want Josh Chapman in steel blue BAD.....
Josh Chapman
Nick Toon
Thats my IDEAL first 2 rounds |
Both of them won't go in round 1. Chapman because of his injury and Toon because there are several WR's that are better. |
Chapman is borderline a first, a good combine sneaks him up to our spot, and toon in the 2nd..... |
Ax2 he just had reconstructive surgery on his MCL and ACL he's only bench pressing at the combine and will more than likely start the season in the PUP list of whoever drafts him. With that said I believe he drops to the late 2nd-3rd round, teams won't want to risk a high draft pick on someone coming off that big of an injury. |
Yeah, and I don't see any teams using a 1st on a guy who starts the season on the PUP. I can see some team use a 2nd on him, similar to what the Ravens did with Sergio Kindle. We can afford to use a 2nd since we really dont have needs other than WR.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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I think I have a new man crush at WR for us in the draft.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qTJkl-4s2k
Still like Sanu though.
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I really really like Randle, if he had had a decent qb he'd be a sure fire 1st rounder.
And honestly i see alot of Dre in him just not as fast as him, but will see what he runs the 40 in at the combine.
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Randle was in Zeierlein's latest mock as the Texans' 1st round pick. My concern was that he talked to a scout who described Randle as "1st round talent with 5th round work ethic;" in other words, the exact same thing that makes me wary about drafting Alshon Jeffrey.
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| Texansfan713 wrote: | | lumberjackchris wrote: | | amazingandre wrote: | | Texansfan713 wrote: | | amazingandre wrote: | I want Josh Chapman in steel blue BAD.....
Josh Chapman
Nick Toon
Thats my IDEAL first 2 rounds |
Both of them won't go in round 1. Chapman because of his injury and Toon because there are several WR's that are better. |
Chapman is borderline a first, a good combine sneaks him up to our spot, and toon in the 2nd..... |
Ax2 he just had reconstructive surgery on his MCL and ACL he's only bench pressing at the combine and will more than likely start the season in the PUP list of whoever drafts him. With that said I believe he drops to the late 2nd-3rd round, teams won't want to risk a high draft pick on someone coming off that big of an injury. |
Yeah, and I don't see any teams using a 1st on a guy who starts the season on the PUP. I can see some team use a 2nd on him, similar to what the Ravens did with Sergio Kindle. We can afford to use a 2nd since we really dont have needs other than WR. |
He played 8 games with his torn ligaments too this last season....if he benches well and interviews well and scores great on his wonderlic, I bet he could remain first round material, the guy is a STUD
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Apollo Stallion
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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Randle was in Zeierlein's latest mock as the Texans' 1st round pick. My concern was that he talked to a scout who described Randle as "1st round talent with 5th round work ethic;" in other words, the exact same thing that makes me wary about drafting Alshon Jeffrey. |
RR's #2 stands for JJ #2 in my book. I've admitted my anti-Louisiana biases in the past, but I'm not seeing a ton to dispel the state as producing immature Jamarcus Russell types who have all the talent in the world, but are too dumb, lazy, undisciplined to make it at the next level or at least live up to their potential. RR clearly has tons of raw ability but professional Wide Receivers need to do more than run fast and jump high and have a few moves after the catch. While there are some good looking plays in there, so many of them were just terrible coverage by overmatched CBs and late/no support safeties who always have their eyes in the LSU backfield. I don't think I've seen a straight "streak/fly pattern" play executed in the NFL in years and there must have been 5 of those in that package (would it kill the SEC DBs to hit an LSU receiver coming off the line?). I'm also not sure how to evaluate the fact that he does seem to make a living off play action since that's what we do, but Joel Dreessen can get 30 yard gains off an effective play action too, so I'm not sure getting yards off fooling the DBs says as much about the receiver as the QB and linemen who really sell it.
At the very least, this is NOT the type of player I would want to hand first round money to. He strikes me as one you want coming into the league with a chip on his shoulder for being bypassed into the late 2nd round like a Torrey Smith or Desean Jackson. I'm telling you, with the depth of this WR class and the quality FAs that will be moving around, there is going to be a bargain to be had with that 2nd rounder.
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Has anyone seen vid of Chris Givens?
WR Wake Forest rJr 5-11 198
Ran a 4.41 40
I like what little tape I've seen and is kind of what we though kendall wright would be and is a 3/4 round projection.
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| amazingandre wrote: | | Texansfan713 wrote: | | lumberjackchris wrote: | | amazingandre wrote: | | Texansfan713 wrote: | | amazingandre wrote: | I want Josh Chapman in steel blue BAD.....
Josh Chapman
Nick Toon
Thats my IDEAL first 2 rounds |
Both of them won't go in round 1. Chapman because of his injury and Toon because there are several WR's that are better. |
Chapman is borderline a first, a good combine sneaks him up to our spot, and toon in the 2nd..... |
Ax2 he just had reconstructive surgery on his MCL and ACL he's only bench pressing at the combine and will more than likely start the season in the PUP list of whoever drafts him. With that said I believe he drops to the late 2nd-3rd round, teams won't want to risk a high draft pick on someone coming off that big of an injury. |
Yeah, and I don't see any teams using a 1st on a guy who starts the season on the PUP. I can see some team use a 2nd on him, similar to what the Ravens did with Sergio Kindle. We can afford to use a 2nd since we really dont have needs other than WR. |
He played 8 games with his torn ligaments too this last season....if he benches well and interviews well and scores great on his wonderlic, I bet he could remain first round material, the guy is a STUD |
Playing eight games with a torn ligament worries me; I'll applaud him for fighting through it, but it's got to be a long term concern, as that knee can't be in good condition, even after surgery and rehab.
He might be a great player, but he's damaged goods in essence. This is a long term investment we're making, and as we've seen in the instances of Tony Boselli, Dominick Davis-Williams and Charles Spencer, lingering injuries that only grow worse with time can derail a career.
If he can be had in the 3/4th rounds, I wouldn't mind. But using a 1/2 round pick on the guy should be out of the question, IMO.
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| Texansfan713 wrote: | | lumberjackchris wrote: | | amazingandre wrote: | | Texansfan713 wrote: | | amazingandre wrote: | I want Josh Chapman in steel blue BAD.....
Josh Chapman
Nick Toon
Thats my IDEAL first 2 rounds |
Both of them won't go in round 1. Chapman because of his injury and Toon because there are several WR's that are better. |
Chapman is borderline a first, a good combine sneaks him up to our spot, and toon in the 2nd..... |
Ax2 he just had reconstructive surgery on his MCL and ACL he's only bench pressing at the combine and will more than likely start the season in the PUP list of whoever drafts him. With that said I believe he drops to the late 2nd-3rd round, teams won't want to risk a high draft pick on someone coming off that big of an injury. |
Yeah, and I don't see any teams using a 1st on a guy who starts the season on the PUP. I can see some team use a 2nd on him, similar to what the Ravens did with Sergio Kindle. We can afford to use a 2nd since we really dont have needs other than WR. |
FWIW the Ravens drafted Kindle before his injury.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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| texans_uk wrote: | | Texansfan713 wrote: | | lumberjackchris wrote: | | amazingandre wrote: | | Texansfan713 wrote: | | amazingandre wrote: | I want Josh Chapman in steel blue BAD.....
Josh Chapman
Nick Toon
Thats my IDEAL first 2 rounds |
Both of them won't go in round 1. Chapman because of his injury and Toon because there are several WR's that are better. |
Chapman is borderline a first, a good combine sneaks him up to our spot, and toon in the 2nd..... |
Ax2 he just had reconstructive surgery on his MCL and ACL he's only bench pressing at the combine and will more than likely start the season in the PUP list of whoever drafts him. With that said I believe he drops to the late 2nd-3rd round, teams won't want to risk a high draft pick on someone coming off that big of an injury. |
Yeah, and I don't see any teams using a 1st on a guy who starts the season on the PUP. I can see some team use a 2nd on him, similar to what the Ravens did with Sergio Kindle. We can afford to use a 2nd since we really dont have needs other than WR. |
FWIW the Ravens drafted Kindle before his injury. |
He was a 2nd round pick though, plus the only reason why he missed the season was because he fell down the stairs during the offseason and fractured his skull. Didn't have anything to do with his injury during his college season.
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| Texansfan713 wrote: | | texans_uk wrote: | | Texansfan713 wrote: | | Yeah, and I don't see any teams using a 1st on a guy who starts the season on the PUP. I can see some team use a 2nd on him, similar to what the Ravens did with Sergio Kindle. We can afford to use a 2nd since we really dont have needs other than WR. |
FWIW the Ravens drafted Kindle before his injury. |
He was a 2nd round pick though, plus the only reason why he missed the season was because he fell down the stairs during the offseason and fractured his skull. Didn't have anything to do with his injury during his college season. |
I'm confused.
I thought you meant the Ravens drafted someone in the 2nd whom they knew would start the season on PUP.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Texansfan713 wrote: | | texans_uk wrote: | | Texansfan713 wrote: | | lumberjackchris wrote: | | amazingandre wrote: | | Texansfan713 wrote: | | amazingandre wrote: | I want Josh Chapman in steel blue BAD.....
Josh Chapman
Nick Toon
Thats my IDEAL first 2 rounds |
Both of them won't go in round 1. Chapman because of his injury and Toon because there are several WR's that are better. |
Chapman is borderline a first, a good combine sneaks him up to our spot, and toon in the 2nd..... |
Ax2 he just had reconstructive surgery on his MCL and ACL he's only bench pressing at the combine and will more than likely start the season in the PUP list of whoever drafts him. With that said I believe he drops to the late 2nd-3rd round, teams won't want to risk a high draft pick on someone coming off that big of an injury. |
Yeah, and I don't see any teams using a 1st on a guy who starts the season on the PUP. I can see some team use a 2nd on him, similar to what the Ravens did with Sergio Kindle. We can afford to use a 2nd since we really dont have needs other than WR. |
FWIW the Ravens drafted Kindle before his injury. |
He was a 2nd round pick though, plus the only reason why he missed the season was because he fell down the stairs during the offseason and fractured his skull. Didn't have anything to do with his injury during his college season. |
Well that's part of the story anyway. Kindle already had 1 DWI conviction and it was pretty clear he skated on another one where he wrapped his car around a tree and fled the scene. He had numerous other issues around Austin and up in Dallas that painted a pretty clear picture of where this was heading, despite his immense talent. I am amazed how quick people on this board are to dismiss warning signs like this (see Michael Floyd) when you consider the ramifications for Kindle and the Ravens as he never even suited up before falling down a flight of stairs in a severely drunken state and crushed his skull. If there were any doubts about almost dying AGAIN, providing the wake up call he needed, his 2010 DWI ended those. The Ravens embarassed themselves by not cutting him loose at that point and then continuing to draft guys from the same mold like Jimmy Smith. Ray Ray isn't going to be around to police this stuff much longer and the Ravens could easily drift into Bengals-land.
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Even though he ran a slow 40 I still like Sanu the most for the Texans. His size and strength cannot be taught. Just watch his highlights and you will quickly identify his ability to make acrobatic catches. If we could pick him in the 2nd round and get one of the highly rated defensive players in the first I would be very happy.
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| jargin wrote: | | Even though he ran a slow 40 I still like Sanu the most for the Texans. His size and strength cannot be taught. Just watch his highlights and you will quickly identify his ability to make acrobatic catches. If we could pick him in the 2nd round and get one of the highly rated defensive players in the first I would be very happy. |
I think Sanu compares pretty favorably to long-time Denver favorite Rod Smith. I don't like him in the 1st, but if Smith was to trade out of pick 26 for a first next year and an extra 2nd and 4th this year, Sanu would, IMO, be a better pick than Toon, Hill, Criner, and receivers of that ilk.
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| kenney wrote: | | jargin wrote: | | Even though he ran a slow 40 I still like Sanu the most for the Texans. His size and strength cannot be taught. Just watch his highlights and you will quickly identify his ability to make acrobatic catches. If we could pick him in the 2nd round and get one of the highly rated defensive players in the first I would be very happy. |
I think Sanu compares pretty favorably to long-time Denver favorite Rod Smith. I don't like him in the 1st, but if Smith was to trade out of pick 26 for a first next year and an extra 2nd and 4th this year, Sanu would, IMO, be a better pick than Toon, Hill, Criner, and receivers of that ilk. |
For a while I was sort of under the impression that we needed a burner at WR, which made me interested in Wright and probably would have made me a big fan of Hill. But then I thought about how we have had fast receivers like Jacoby that dont have a lot of lower strength. In other words, we have had a lot of receivers that are fairly easy to tackle. Kevin Walter doesnt break a ton of tackles in a normal game. Sanu on the other hand, may not be able to blow the top off a defense like Hill and Wright can, but he can break tackles on underneath catches which our offense throws more of. Plus Schaub's arm strength wouldnt be enough to get the ball to a burner 70 yards downfield anyway. I want a guy who is big, hard to take down and has reliable hands. Sanu's 115 receptions is more than most receivers in this draft outside of Blackmon and perhaps Floyd and Wright. His 115 catches are more than Stephen Hill and Rueben Randle had their entire college careers. I like Sanu as a big body and big target for Schaub in the offense and if we are able to trade down and still draft him, I think we are talking about one of the ideal draft scenarios for us.
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