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since72
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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| PurpleMugen wrote: | | minnvikes22 wrote: | | since72 wrote: | | What value will there be in Ponder and Webb watching a quaterback in the twilight of his HOF career struggle to learn a new offense? Ponder needs prime time not pine time. |
I can't believe you think he would struggle learning a new offense . He probably dedicates more time to football then any other player in the league. He would still go out there and tear up other teams deffenses.. He is that good.. |
Exactly. I, too, was confused by that comment. |
OK. So let's turn it around. If it just takes some off-season dedication to seamlessly move into a new offense, then why does Ponder need to sit around for another year watching someone else? Won't he have an 11 month headstart in learning the offense? Has his off-field dedication been questioned?
You can't have it both ways.
Manning didn't learn to tear up defenses by sitting around watching Paul Justin and Jim Harbaugh. |
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milanb 
Joined: 04 Jan 2008 Posts: 5167 Location: Ottawa, Ontario
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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I just don't think that Peyton would be happy on a rebuilding team. Not at this stage of his career anyway. _________________
The race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong. — Ecclesiastes 9:11
But that’s the way to bet. — Jimmy The Greek
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Freakout 
Joined: 05 Mar 2007 Posts: 1766
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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| minnvikes22 wrote: | | Freakout wrote: | Hell no to the 10th power.
There is no guarantee Peyton will ever be the same player he once was. This team absolutely has to stop going for the quick fix. |
I would say that a 75% health Peyton Manning would still be better then atleast half of the QB's in this league right now.
There have been other players that have had this sugery done, and they are fine. Including LB's. I think he will be fine.
Also, he has come out and said that he doesn't want any guaranteed money and would be happy with a contract based on performance alone.. |
I probably know more about having a spinal fusion surgery than anyone on this forum. I broke my neck in 1995 and had it done. It is not something that is easy to come back from. |
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Frank Costello 
Joined: 01 Mar 2009 Posts: 8815 Location: in 2009, Vikings>Saints
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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Manning is going to go to the team that shows the most interest in him first. He's that kind of guy. He's not going to drag this out.
Why do I think this? He's already stated that he will play for a mostly incentive based contract. He just wants to prove himself again. So whoever shows the most faith, the fastest, will ultimately land him. _________________ Welcome to Minnesota, Greg Jennings.
President of the Sammy Watkins fan club. |
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Virginia Viking
Joined: 27 Dec 2007 Posts: 2452 Location: Unemployed in VA
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't think it would be a good deal for the Vikings or for Manning for him to play in Minnesota. The Vikings are not going to be competitive for at least two more years. The only reason you bring in someone like Manning is if you believe he would be "the" last piece to take the team over the top. That's not going to be the case anytime soon. |
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Snake Plissken
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Virginia Viking wrote: | | I don't think it would be a good deal for the Vikings or for Manning for him to play in Minnesota. The Vikings are not going to be competitive for at least two more years. The only reason you bring in someone like Manning is if you believe he would be "the" last piece to take the team over the top. That's not going to be the case anytime soon. |
I was thinking along sort of the same lines.
Right now I don't think the team is ready for a serious run with an assumed healthy Manning.
When the team is ready, will Manning still have anything left?
My main question with bringing in Manning is would he make the Vikings a better team 2-3 years ( and going forward) from now? _________________ To give anything less than your best is to sacrific the gift - Steve Prefontaine |
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WST888
Joined: 18 Nov 2011 Posts: 81 Location: Aberdeen, Maryland
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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IF we drafted Peyton Manning, do you guys really think he would be learning Musgrave's offense?
I'm pretty sure the Vikings would be learning Peyton Manning's offense. I don't think it would be 'could Peyton adapt to our offense?' it would be 'do our players suit Peyton's style of play?'
The man is a field general, and I'm pretty sure he never played in a west coast offense, and I think it would be a little counterproductive to mkae him learn it. Musgrave has stated time and time again that he adapts the offense around our players. I think IF we brought in Peyton, we would basically be handing over the reigns to him. _________________ World War 3 is gonna begin with two guys sitting in the corner of a dimly lit bar, arguing over whether or not Tim Tebow can be a succesful NFL Quarterback. |
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[UMN] 
Joined: 13 Nov 2007 Posts: 11823 Location: Desolation Row
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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Manning wouldn't come here, but if he did I would love it.
Watching and learning from Peyton wouldn't hurt Ponder, and I would love to see the best pure QB of all time in purple. _________________
2013 Adopt-a-Viking: OC Bill Musgrave |
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Purple Faithful
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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Peyton's the only 4 time NFL MVP ever. He's probably the greatest QB ever. He's been stuck on what has been exposed as a bad football team. I have little doubt whatever team picked up manning would likely make the post season as who was worse than Indy last year? Thing is, why would Peyton choose Minnesota when so many other teams have incredibly solid teams in place & just need an elite quarterback? Two swan-song superbowls would give Manning an elway-esque boost to the legacy.
Why would he choose Minnesota over, say, Houston? San Fran? Jets? Just seems unlikely. Even a Seattle or Arizona would be a better choice for Manning as they have better protection and/or better wide receivers. But to say the Vikings wouldn't be competitive with Manning seems false, to me. We're better than Indianapolis & if he's healthy, Indy would win 10-12 games with him. _________________ Remember when the Vikings passed on Dan Marino because we had Tommy Kramer? ahhh, good times.
2012 Viking Fan:
Draft like Jimmie Johnson=bad (2 QB's)
Draft like Jerry Jones=good (take an OT top10) |
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CriminalMind 
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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If Manning actually does consider Minny, they he'll know what Line he is essentially playing with.. and that will be his choice.
If you can get Manning early ... it could open up more Free Agent targets for us. |
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Polaris
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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By all means, go for it.
I mean, pass on RGIII in the draft because you already have a guy you think might be good enough but then go ahead and bring in a guy who's at the end of his career because he's better than what you have.
OK, seriously. Stop going for the quick fix. And if you pass up RGIII in the draft, it will be a mistake that will haunt you for a decade although at least you'll be able to be happy that your LT is good. |
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disaacs 
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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Absolutely not. The Vikings aren't a QB away from competing for a Super Bowl. Anyone thinking it is even going to be considered is sadly mistaken....in fact, I even think it's ridiculous to bring it up. It's about as realistic as the discussion from a few years ago of bringing in Terrell Owens. _________________
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HighHopes 
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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| [UMN] wrote: | Manning wouldn't come here, but if he did I would love it.
Watching and learning from Peyton wouldn't hurt Ponder, and I would love to see the best pure QB of all time in purple. |
It would be interesting to see Ponder learn under Peyton. Maybe we can try to convince Manning to have Ponder be his "protegee"(wow did I spell that right?) so his name will continue to be around lol.
"Ponder started out struggling, but Peyton came in and helped turned this kid around" lol _________________ XBL/PSN: Chainedsniper |
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vike daddy 

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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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Indianapolis Star columnist Bob Kravitz: "I know some of the people that have seen him throw. They say he’s not throwing like an NFL quarterback yet. That doesn’t mean he never will. This thing is going to take time. Structurally, he’s sound. Structurally, he can take a hit.”
This is where we are in February with Peyton Manning. He can play again, but he may only be able to play like a late career Chad Pennington. Kravitz used the phrase “noodle arm” to describe Manning’s throwing. No one knows how much that will change by August.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/08/kravitz-manning-not-throwing-like-an-nfl-quarterback-yet/related/ _________________
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minnvikes22 
Joined: 21 Mar 2006 Posts: 3131 Location: PA
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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| disaacs wrote: | | Absolutely not. The Vikings aren't a QB away from competing for a Super Bowl. Anyone thinking it is even going to be considered is sadly mistaken....in fact, I even think it's ridiculous to bring it up. It's about as realistic as the discussion from a few years ago of bringing in Terrell Owens. |
So, lets start to rebuild our team right. Then in 4 years, we will be looking for a RB, DE, OLB and whoever else is getting old. We will then say again, lets rebuild and bring in young guys..
All Manning did this year is truely show how bad the Colts are without him at QB. He is an instant upgrade to alot of teams in this league. ( including the Vikings ) You just don't go from 10-12 wins a season to 2 wins.. The reason was Manning. Manning alone could probably get this team to 10 wins. Adding in our other players, we could see 12-13 wins if he was our QB.. |
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