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| AKRNA wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | AKRNA wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | Winder23 wrote: | | I heard the topic of discussion on the radio yesterday as well. Joel Klatt of 104.3 "the fan" was discussing how Champ isn't really what this defense needs right now. He was talking about how the middle of the defense is the most important and you can't build a defense around a 12 million dollar CB. |
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Hmmm? Hows that working out for the Eagles and Jets anyway?  |
Jets have a pretty solid defense (right?) and Eagles (had to learn the wide-9 but after week 8 or so) were pretty dominant as well. |
Yeah, thats pretty much true. I just couldn't resist takin' a shot. Sometimes this forum is just too much fun. 
Hard to say though that either defense is built around a CB. They both field a pretty solid 11 man cast. |
Yeah I agree, its fun to bust balls some times. And you are correct, neither of those defenses are built around that one player. CB's are simply complementary type players. The real foundation is built along the DL. They are the only players that effect both phases of the offense.
Im not supporting the build around a CB campaign. But to rid your team of a player, that is one of the only talented players on your team, would be ludicrous. I dont care if he makes $12M a year. He helps you win games. Hes a leader and still a very talented player.
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See the "would you trade D. Thomas" thread.
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| JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | AKRNA wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | AKRNA wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | Winder23 wrote: | | I heard the topic of discussion on the radio yesterday as well. Joel Klatt of 104.3 "the fan" was discussing how Champ isn't really what this defense needs right now. He was talking about how the middle of the defense is the most important and you can't build a defense around a 12 million dollar CB. |
Asomugha and Revis say hi!!! |
Hmmm? Hows that working out for the Eagles and Jets anyway? |
Jets have a pretty solid defense (right?) and Eagles (had to learn the wide-9 but after week 8 or so) were pretty dominant as well. |
Yeah, thats pretty much true. I just couldn't resist takin' a shot. Sometimes this forum is just too much fun.
Hard to say though that either defense is built around a CB. They both field a pretty solid 11 man cast. |
Yeah I agree, its fun to bust balls some times. And you are correct, neither of those defenses are built around that one player. CB's are simply complementary type players. The real foundation is built along the DL. They are the only players that effect both phases of the offense.
Im not supporting the build around a CB campaign. But to rid your team of a player, that is one of the only talented players on your team, would be ludicrous. I dont care if he makes $12M a year. He helps you win games. Hes a leader and still a very talented player. |
It'll be interesting to see how EXF deal with it. Should tell us a lot about their future plans. I love Champ. He's been the consumate pro since he arrived.
That said, will EFX decide to spend 10% of their cap money on a CB who will turn 34 in June?(is $12 mil his cap number this year?) It's actually quite an interesting topic. Money will definitely come into play.
Looking down the road, by the time we're solid enough as a team to compete on an elite level (2014 maybe?) how does Champ fit into that picture? Our new capologist, Sullivan, has his work cut out for him. I won't be at all surprised if EFX make some fairly unpopular decisions this year. We'll have to wait and see. |
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| JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | Jets have a pretty solid defense (right?) and Eagles (had to learn the wide-9 but after week 8 or so) were pretty dominant as well. |
Almost every team runs wide 9 groupings. The only difference is the Eagles sell out on the run every play because they are coached by Andy Reed. Asomugha was totally not worth adding either. And the Jets defense was pretty mediocre last season. So no.
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JerseysFinest27
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| AKRNA wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | AKRNA wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | AKRNA wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | Winder23 wrote: | | I heard the topic of discussion on the radio yesterday as well. Joel Klatt of 104.3 "the fan" was discussing how Champ isn't really what this defense needs right now. He was talking about how the middle of the defense is the most important and you can't build a defense around a 12 million dollar CB. |
Asomugha and Revis say hi!!! |
Hmmm? Hows that working out for the Eagles and Jets anyway? |
Jets have a pretty solid defense (right?) and Eagles (had to learn the wide-9 but after week 8 or so) were pretty dominant as well. |
Yeah, thats pretty much true. I just couldn't resist takin' a shot. Sometimes this forum is just too much fun.
Hard to say though that either defense is built around a CB. They both field a pretty solid 11 man cast. |
Yeah I agree, its fun to bust balls some times. And you are correct, neither of those defenses are built around that one player. CB's are simply complementary type players. The real foundation is built along the DL. They are the only players that effect both phases of the offense.
Im not supporting the build around a CB campaign. But to rid your team of a player, that is one of the only talented players on your team, would be ludicrous. I dont care if he makes $12M a year. He helps you win games. Hes a leader and still a very talented player. |
It'll be interesting to see how EXF deal with it. Should tell us a lot about their future plans. I love Champ. He's been the consumate pro since he arrived.
That said, will EFX decide to spend 10% of their cap money on a CB who will turn 34 in June?(is $12 mil his cap number this year?) It's actually quite an interesting topic. Money will definitely come into play.
Looking down the road, by the time we're solid enough as a team to compete on an elite level (2014 maybe?) how does Champ fit into that picture? Our new capologist, Sullivan, has his work cut out for him. I won't be at all surprised if EFX make some fairly unpopular decisions this year. We'll have to wait and see. |
You do have quite the argument.
The first thing I thought of when we brought in the new cap guy was to restructure contracts like Doom, Champ and Dawk. Apparently Dawks was already done *wipe hands*. Now I wouldnt be surprised that if we have room going into this year, they restructure the deals to allow for more financial freedom in the future.
Lets say....
Champ restructures for $7M a year with a $8M bonus upfront, win-win.
Doom restructures for $10M a year with a $8M bonus upfront, win-win.
If we have the room, I wouldnt be surprised to see it happen. Takes the bad contracts out and brings in financial freedom for future. Elway wants to build through the draft. This allows us to keep some cap space for when our young team develops into a powerhouse. Then.. Drop. The. Bomb.
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| JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | AKRNA wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | AKRNA wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | AKRNA wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | Winder23 wrote: | | I heard the topic of discussion on the radio yesterday as well. Joel Klatt of 104.3 "the fan" was discussing how Champ isn't really what this defense needs right now. He was talking about how the middle of the defense is the most important and you can't build a defense around a 12 million dollar CB. |
Asomugha and Revis say hi!!! |
Hmmm? Hows that working out for the Eagles and Jets anyway? |
Jets have a pretty solid defense (right?) and Eagles (had to learn the wide-9 but after week 8 or so) were pretty dominant as well. |
Yeah, thats pretty much true. I just couldn't resist takin' a shot. Sometimes this forum is just too much fun.
Hard to say though that either defense is built around a CB. They both field a pretty solid 11 man cast. |
Yeah I agree, its fun to bust balls some times. And you are correct, neither of those defenses are built around that one player. CB's are simply complementary type players. The real foundation is built along the DL. They are the only players that effect both phases of the offense.
Im not supporting the build around a CB campaign. But to rid your team of a player, that is one of the only talented players on your team, would be ludicrous. I dont care if he makes $12M a year. He helps you win games. Hes a leader and still a very talented player. |
It'll be interesting to see how EXF deal with it. Should tell us a lot about their future plans. I love Champ. He's been the consumate pro since he arrived.
That said, will EFX decide to spend 10% of their cap money on a CB who will turn 34 in June?(is $12 mil his cap number this year?) It's actually quite an interesting topic. Money will definitely come into play.
Looking down the road, by the time we're solid enough as a team to compete on an elite level (2014 maybe?) how does Champ fit into that picture? Our new capologist, Sullivan, has his work cut out for him. I won't be at all surprised if EFX make some fairly unpopular decisions this year. We'll have to wait and see. |
You do have quite the argument.
The first thing I thought of when we brought in the new cap guy was to restructure contracts like Doom, Champ and Dawk. Apparently Dawks was already done *wipe hands*. Now I wouldnt be surprised that if we have room going into this year, they restructure the deals to allow for more financial freedom in the future.
Lets say....
Champ restructures for $7M a year with a $8M bonus upfront, win-win.
Doom restructures for $10M a year with a $8M bonus upfront, win-win.
If we have the room, I wouldnt be surprised to see it happen. Takes the bad contracts out and brings in financial freedom for future. Elway wants to build through the draft. This allows us to keep some cap space for when our young team develops into a powerhouse. Then.. Drop. The. Bomb. |
Not being a capologist I'm not sure how the restructuring works. If it entails a lot of deferred payments and possible "dead money" I don't think our FO would go that way. Their sights are set a bit down the road.
I don't think they'd want to be saddled with "dead money" in a few years. If their rebuilding plan works, they'll need every nickel to maintain their core and sign a few FA upgrades.
Sullivan may end up being Elways best acquisition yet. |
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JerseysFinest27
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| AKRNA wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | AKRNA wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | AKRNA wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | AKRNA wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | Winder23 wrote: | | I heard the topic of discussion on the radio yesterday as well. Joel Klatt of 104.3 "the fan" was discussing how Champ isn't really what this defense needs right now. He was talking about how the middle of the defense is the most important and you can't build a defense around a 12 million dollar CB. |
Asomugha and Revis say hi!!! |
Hmmm? Hows that working out for the Eagles and Jets anyway? |
Jets have a pretty solid defense (right?) and Eagles (had to learn the wide-9 but after week 8 or so) were pretty dominant as well. |
Yeah, thats pretty much true. I just couldn't resist takin' a shot. Sometimes this forum is just too much fun.
Hard to say though that either defense is built around a CB. They both field a pretty solid 11 man cast. |
Yeah I agree, its fun to bust balls some times. And you are correct, neither of those defenses are built around that one player. CB's are simply complementary type players. The real foundation is built along the DL. They are the only players that effect both phases of the offense.
Im not supporting the build around a CB campaign. But to rid your team of a player, that is one of the only talented players on your team, would be ludicrous. I dont care if he makes $12M a year. He helps you win games. Hes a leader and still a very talented player. |
It'll be interesting to see how EXF deal with it. Should tell us a lot about their future plans. I love Champ. He's been the consumate pro since he arrived.
That said, will EFX decide to spend 10% of their cap money on a CB who will turn 34 in June?(is $12 mil his cap number this year?) It's actually quite an interesting topic. Money will definitely come into play.
Looking down the road, by the time we're solid enough as a team to compete on an elite level (2014 maybe?) how does Champ fit into that picture? Our new capologist, Sullivan, has his work cut out for him. I won't be at all surprised if EFX make some fairly unpopular decisions this year. We'll have to wait and see. |
You do have quite the argument.
The first thing I thought of when we brought in the new cap guy was to restructure contracts like Doom, Champ and Dawk. Apparently Dawks was already done *wipe hands*. Now I wouldnt be surprised that if we have room going into this year, they restructure the deals to allow for more financial freedom in the future.
Lets say....
Champ restructures for $7M a year with a $8M bonus upfront, win-win.
Doom restructures for $10M a year with a $8M bonus upfront, win-win.
If we have the room, I wouldnt be surprised to see it happen. Takes the bad contracts out and brings in financial freedom for future. Elway wants to build through the draft. This allows us to keep some cap space for when our young team develops into a powerhouse. Then.. Drop. The. Bomb. |
Not being a capologist I'm not sure how the restructuring works. If it entails a lot of deferred payments and possible "dead money" I don't think our FO would go that way. Their sights are set a bit down the road.
I don't think they'd want to be saddled with "dead money" in a few years. If their rebuilding plan works, they'll need every nickel to maintain their core and sign a few FA upgrades.
Sullivan may end up being Elways best acquisition yet. |
Re-structuring of contracts usually mean players get more money up front for a smaller cap hit in the future.
You give Player A a signing bonus for re-working the deal and in hand lower the base salary in existing years.
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| JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | AKRNA wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | AKRNA wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | AKRNA wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | AKRNA wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | Winder23 wrote: | | I heard the topic of discussion on the radio yesterday as well. Joel Klatt of 104.3 "the fan" was discussing how Champ isn't really what this defense needs right now. He was talking about how the middle of the defense is the most important and you can't build a defense around a 12 million dollar CB. |
Asomugha and Revis say hi!!! |
Hmmm? Hows that working out for the Eagles and Jets anyway? |
Jets have a pretty solid defense (right?) and Eagles (had to learn the wide-9 but after week 8 or so) were pretty dominant as well. |
Yeah, thats pretty much true. I just couldn't resist takin' a shot. Sometimes this forum is just too much fun.
Hard to say though that either defense is built around a CB. They both field a pretty solid 11 man cast. |
Yeah I agree, its fun to bust balls some times. And you are correct, neither of those defenses are built around that one player. CB's are simply complementary type players. The real foundation is built along the DL. They are the only players that effect both phases of the offense.
Im not supporting the build around a CB campaign. But to rid your team of a player, that is one of the only talented players on your team, would be ludicrous. I dont care if he makes $12M a year. He helps you win games. Hes a leader and still a very talented player. |
It'll be interesting to see how EXF deal with it. Should tell us a lot about their future plans. I love Champ. He's been the consumate pro since he arrived.
That said, will EFX decide to spend 10% of their cap money on a CB who will turn 34 in June?(is $12 mil his cap number this year?) It's actually quite an interesting topic. Money will definitely come into play.
Looking down the road, by the time we're solid enough as a team to compete on an elite level (2014 maybe?) how does Champ fit into that picture? Our new capologist, Sullivan, has his work cut out for him. I won't be at all surprised if EFX make some fairly unpopular decisions this year. We'll have to wait and see. |
You do have quite the argument.
The first thing I thought of when we brought in the new cap guy was to restructure contracts like Doom, Champ and Dawk. Apparently Dawks was already done *wipe hands*. Now I wouldnt be surprised that if we have room going into this year, they restructure the deals to allow for more financial freedom in the future.
Lets say....
Champ restructures for $7M a year with a $8M bonus upfront, win-win.
Doom restructures for $10M a year with a $8M bonus upfront, win-win.
If we have the room, I wouldnt be surprised to see it happen. Takes the bad contracts out and brings in financial freedom for future. Elway wants to build through the draft. This allows us to keep some cap space for when our young team develops into a powerhouse. Then.. Drop. The. Bomb. |
Not being a capologist I'm not sure how the restructuring works. If it entails a lot of deferred payments and possible "dead money" I don't think our FO would go that way. Their sights are set a bit down the road.
I don't think they'd want to be saddled with "dead money" in a few years. If their rebuilding plan works, they'll need every nickel to maintain their core and sign a few FA upgrades.
Sullivan may end up being Elways best acquisition yet. |
Re-structuring of contracts usually mean players get more money up front for a smaller cap hit in the future.
You give Player A a signing bonus for re-working the deal and in hand lower the base salary in existing years. |
If that's the case, given the money we have this year, it may make a lot of sense to take the hit now and free up cash for the future.
Sure am glad it's Sullivans problem. He's gonna go nuts with spreadsheets. |
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JerseysFinest27
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| AKRNA wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | AKRNA wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | AKRNA wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | AKRNA wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | AKRNA wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | Winder23 wrote: | | I heard the topic of discussion on the radio yesterday as well. Joel Klatt of 104.3 "the fan" was discussing how Champ isn't really what this defense needs right now. He was talking about how the middle of the defense is the most important and you can't build a defense around a 12 million dollar CB. |
Asomugha and Revis say hi!!! |
Hmmm? Hows that working out for the Eagles and Jets anyway? |
Jets have a pretty solid defense (right?) and Eagles (had to learn the wide-9 but after week 8 or so) were pretty dominant as well. |
Yeah, thats pretty much true. I just couldn't resist takin' a shot. Sometimes this forum is just too much fun.
Hard to say though that either defense is built around a CB. They both field a pretty solid 11 man cast. |
Yeah I agree, its fun to bust balls some times. And you are correct, neither of those defenses are built around that one player. CB's are simply complementary type players. The real foundation is built along the DL. They are the only players that effect both phases of the offense.
Im not supporting the build around a CB campaign. But to rid your team of a player, that is one of the only talented players on your team, would be ludicrous. I dont care if he makes $12M a year. He helps you win games. Hes a leader and still a very talented player. |
It'll be interesting to see how EXF deal with it. Should tell us a lot about their future plans. I love Champ. He's been the consumate pro since he arrived.
That said, will EFX decide to spend 10% of their cap money on a CB who will turn 34 in June?(is $12 mil his cap number this year?) It's actually quite an interesting topic. Money will definitely come into play.
Looking down the road, by the time we're solid enough as a team to compete on an elite level (2014 maybe?) how does Champ fit into that picture? Our new capologist, Sullivan, has his work cut out for him. I won't be at all surprised if EFX make some fairly unpopular decisions this year. We'll have to wait and see. |
You do have quite the argument.
The first thing I thought of when we brought in the new cap guy was to restructure contracts like Doom, Champ and Dawk. Apparently Dawks was already done *wipe hands*. Now I wouldnt be surprised that if we have room going into this year, they restructure the deals to allow for more financial freedom in the future.
Lets say....
Champ restructures for $7M a year with a $8M bonus upfront, win-win.
Doom restructures for $10M a year with a $8M bonus upfront, win-win.
If we have the room, I wouldnt be surprised to see it happen. Takes the bad contracts out and brings in financial freedom for future. Elway wants to build through the draft. This allows us to keep some cap space for when our young team develops into a powerhouse. Then.. Drop. The. Bomb. |
Not being a capologist I'm not sure how the restructuring works. If it entails a lot of deferred payments and possible "dead money" I don't think our FO would go that way. Their sights are set a bit down the road.
I don't think they'd want to be saddled with "dead money" in a few years. If their rebuilding plan works, they'll need every nickel to maintain their core and sign a few FA upgrades.
Sullivan may end up being Elways best acquisition yet. |
Re-structuring of contracts usually mean players get more money up front for a smaller cap hit in the future.
You give Player A a signing bonus for re-working the deal and in hand lower the base salary in existing years. |
If that's the case, given the money we have this year, it may make a lot of sense to take the hit now and free up cash for the future.
Sure am glad it's Sullivans problem. He's gonna go nuts with spreadsheets. |
Hopefully he doesnt use google docs!
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