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textaz03
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 Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 7:14 pm Post subject: Haley snubbed again, HOF announced |
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/04/butler-dawson-doleman-kennedy-martin-roaf-are-hall-of-famers/
| Quote: | | Six new members of the Pro Football Hall of Fame were selected today in Indianapolis: Jack Butler, Dermontti Dawson, Chris Doleman, Cortez Kennedy, Curtis Martin and Willie Roaf |
When will the HOF selection committee right this wrong! How can a 5 time SB winner, 5 Pro Bowl selections, 2 All Pro selections and member of the 100 sack club not be named to the freaking HOF?????
First eliminated where Jerome Bettis, Tim Brown, Eddie DeBartolo, Kevin Greene and Will Shields then the last ones eliminated where Cris Carter, Charles Haley, Bill Parcells, Andre Reed and Aeneas Williams.
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Dirk Gently
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| I think it's foolish to talk of Haley being snubbed for the HoF while the far superior Harvey Martin is not even in our Ring of Honor. |
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Kevin Greene and Cris Crter are bigger snubs - I'm still pissed Haley is in the ROH
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textaz03
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| MaddHatter wrote: | | Kevin Greene and Cris Crter are bigger snubs - I'm still pissed Haley is in the ROH |
will have to agree that he shouldnt be on that. That was all Jerry. He wasn't here but 5 years out of a 12 year career, doesn't quite qualify for the ROH IMO, but Jerry has his reasoning somewhere.
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[quote="textaz03"] | MaddHatter wrote: | | but Jerry has his reasoning somewhere. |
Boost his ego a little more...
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Wtf?! Cris Carter, Haley and Reed were ROBBED and I can't even comprehend how Shields not only didnt make it, but was one of the first five eliminated. I can sit right here and pretty much guarantee you Moss and Owens won't go to the H.O.F. because of what people perceive about them... When it SHOULD be about their production on the FIELD!
And who da h*ll is Cortez Kennedy?!.Smh the H.O.F. is a JOKE!
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I'll never understand the Cris Carter love. The HoF is for players who had such an impact on the game that you can't write the story of the NFL without them. And in no way shape or form does Chris Carter have to be written in the books. He was a TD whore, and no more. He never elevated his team with his play (Jerry Rice) his drive (Mike Irvin) or his all around contribution to the team in multiple facets of the game (Tim Brown). Heck, he wasn't even a circus catch artist (Swann). Someone tell me why he needed to make it. And cortez kennedy not being known just shows that your average football fan never pays attention to the trenches when they're performing well. Not his fault he was a force on the interior of the defensive line of a team that could barely field an offense. He consistently elevated the play of everyone around him and drew doubles like no tomorrow.
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| Just goes to show you how political all of theis nonsense really is. Someone mentioned Moss and Owens will be getting snubbed as a result of their bad behavior. If that happenes then you have to believe the league is playing favorites. Do you know WHY Chris Carter went to Minn. and left Philly under Buddy Ryan's watch? It is because he had a drug addiction to cocaine and an alcohol problem. He failed 3 drug tests while playing in Philly and Buddy Ryan thought it best to get him out of Philly and away from his sources. In his defense, he did recover nicely in Minny and resurrectued his career. But I don't believe he is HOF worthy. |
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Tony7188
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| Rtnldave wrote: | | Just goes to show you how political all of theis nonsense really is. Someone mentioned Moss and Owens will be getting snubbed as a result of their bad behavior. If that happenes then you have to believe the league is playing favorites. Do you know WHY Chris Carter went to Minn. and left Philly under Buddy Ryan's watch? It is because he had a drug addiction to cocaine and an alcohol problem. He failed 3 drug tests while playing in Philly and Buddy Ryan thought it best to get him out of Philly and away from his sources. In his defense, he did recover nicely in Minny and resurrectued his career. But I don't believe he is HOF worthy. |
Well said, I'm not the biggest Cris Carter fan but Reed and Tim Brown def. deserve the H.O.F
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| Ace5 wrote: | | I'll never understand the Cris Carter love. The HoF is for players who had such an impact on the game that you can't write the story of the NFL without them. And in no way shape or form does Chris Carter have to be written in the books. He was a TD whore, and no more. He never elevated his team with his play (Jerry Rice) his drive (Mike Irvin) or his all around contribution to the team in multiple facets of the game (Tim Brown). Heck, he wasn't even a circus catch artist (Swann). Someone tell me why he needed to make it. And cortez kennedy not being known just shows that your average football fan never pays attention to the trenches when they're performing well. Not his fault he was a force on the interior of the defensive line of a team that could barely field an offense. He consistently elevated the play of everyone around him and drew doubles like no tomorrow. |
3rd All-Time Receptions
8th All-Time Receiving Yards
4th All-Time Receiving Touchdowns
5th All-Time Receiving Touchdowns in a Single Season
A case can be made for him being a Top 10 WR All-Time behind Rice, Hutson, Alsworth, Moss and a few others
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| MaddHatter wrote: | | Ace5 wrote: | | I'll never understand the Cris Carter love. The HoF is for players who had such an impact on the game that you can't write the story of the NFL without them. And in no way shape or form does Chris Carter have to be written in the books. He was a TD whore, and no more. He never elevated his team with his play (Jerry Rice) his drive (Mike Irvin) or his all around contribution to the team in multiple facets of the game (Tim Brown). Heck, he wasn't even a circus catch artist (Swann). Someone tell me why he needed to make it. And cortez kennedy not being known just shows that your average football fan never pays attention to the trenches when they're performing well. Not his fault he was a force on the interior of the defensive line of a team that could barely field an offense. He consistently elevated the play of everyone around him and drew doubles like no tomorrow. |
3rd All-Time Receptions
8th All-Time Receiving Yards
4th All-Time Receiving Touchdowns
5th All-Time Receiving Touchdowns in a Single Season
A case can be made for him being a Top 10 WR All-Time behind Rice, Hutson, Alsworth, Moss and a few others |
I'll admit I never saw him on the eagles, but to me, he's a stat compiler. Nothing more. When did his play elevate minnesota to great heights? It didn't. Randy Moss did. When did he motivate and lead his team, helping to get them to rally to victory and greatness? He didn't. Mike Irvin did. So he's 8th all time recieving yards. Tim Brown is higher (retired 2nd all time), a member of the all decade team of the 90's, was synonymous with a great franchise (Mr. Raider) and made it to the super bowl AND still isn't in the hall of fame. And these are just a few of his contemporaries.
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| Ace5 wrote: | | I'll admit I never saw him on the eagles, but to me, he's a stat compiler. Nothing more. When did his play elevate minnesota to great heights? It didn't. Randy Moss did. When did he motivate and lead his team, helping to get them to rally to victory and greatness? He didn't. Mike Irvin did. So he's 8th all time recieving yards. Tim Brown is higher (retired 2nd all time), a member of the all decade team of the 90's, was synonymous with a great franchise (Mr. Raider) and made it to the super bowl AND still isn't in the hall of fame. And these are just a few of his contemporaries. |
I think he was a leader on the Vikings - he mentored and worked with Randy Moss - both as a WR and as a person. He helped him develop and helped him blossom into the HOFer he became. Much like Jerry did with TO IMO. Elevate his game? Ask a Vikings fan or a Packers fan, but I think he domianted several games throughout his career against good competition.
I think Tim Brown is a valid point but I think both are HOFers
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| Ace5 wrote: | | Carter have to be written in the books. He was a TD whore, and no more. He never elevated his team with his play (Jerry Rice) his drive (Mike Irvin) or his all around contribution to the team in multiple facets of the game (Tim Brown). Heck, he wasn't even a circus catch artist (Swann). Someone tell me why he needed to make it. |
Carter had the best hands I've ever seen.
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| Ace5 wrote: | | MaddHatter wrote: | | Ace5 wrote: | | I'll never understand the Cris Carter love. The HoF is for players who had such an impact on the game that you can't write the story of the NFL without them. And in no way shape or form does Chris Carter have to be written in the books. He was a TD whore, and no more. He never elevated his team with his play (Jerry Rice) his drive (Mike Irvin) or his all around contribution to the team in multiple facets of the game (Tim Brown). Heck, he wasn't even a circus catch artist (Swann). Someone tell me why he needed to make it. And cortez kennedy not being known just shows that your average football fan never pays attention to the trenches when they're performing well. Not his fault he was a force on the interior of the defensive line of a team that could barely field an offense. He consistently elevated the play of everyone around him and drew doubles like no tomorrow. |
3rd All-Time Receptions
8th All-Time Receiving Yards
4th All-Time Receiving Touchdowns
5th All-Time Receiving Touchdowns in a Single Season
A case can be made for him being a Top 10 WR All-Time behind Rice, Hutson, Alsworth, Moss and a few others |
I'll admit I never saw him on the eagles, but to me, he's a stat compiler. Nothing more. When did his play elevate minnesota to great heights? It didn't. Randy Moss did. When did he motivate and lead his team, helping to get them to rally to victory and greatness? He didn't. Mike Irvin did. So he's 8th all time recieving yards. Tim Brown is higher (retired 2nd all time), a member of the all decade team of the 90's, was synonymous with a great franchise (Mr. Raider) and made it to the super bowl AND still isn't in the hall of fame. And these are just a few of his contemporaries. |
Okay so how did Cortez Kennedy elevate his team??? lol
I thought NT's were suppose to command double teams which in fact helps the entire D. Cris Carter was also known to make circus catches every now and then...
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GeneralDissaray
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| Ace5 wrote: | | I'll never understand the Cris Carter love. The HoF is for players who had such an impact on the game that you can't write the story of the NFL without them. And in no way shape or form does Chris Carter have to be written in the books. He was a TD whore, and no more. He never elevated his team with his play (Jerry Rice) his drive (Mike Irvin) or his all around contribution to the team in multiple facets of the game (Tim Brown). Heck, he wasn't even a circus catch artist (Swann). Someone tell me why he needed to make it. And cortez kennedy not being known just shows that your average football fan never pays attention to the trenches when they're performing well. Not his fault he was a force on the interior of the defensive line of a team that could barely field an offense. He consistently elevated the play of everyone around him and drew doubles like no tomorrow. |
Chris Carter was only considered to have one of the best pair of hands all time. Also, how many one handed and sideline catches where he was leaning at a 45 degree angle did he have. Beyond that, the guy has the stats. That said, I think Andre Reed should go in before Carter. How do you have Jim Kelly and Thurman Thomas in the hall, but not Andre Reed. In those four straight Superbowl losses, it was Reed that was money, not Thomas. |
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