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robhamlin81
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| Depending on how much we can sign him for as a FA, we should keep him. Bush has been a very dependable RB when McFadden has gone down. |
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RaisinBran
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| robhamlin81 wrote: | | Depending on how much we can sign him for as a FA, we should keep him. Bush has been a very dependable RB when McFadden has gone down. |
He was only dependable against teams with terrible D-Lines (aka the Chargers, Vikings (injuries), etc). He had huge holes to run through in that game but didn't have breakaway speed to get TD's out of them. Not to mention DMAC would have had 300 yards rushing in those games if he played instead of Bush.
Bush is really not that dependable IMO. A great change of pace back but not a dependable starting RB.
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Bush's production really dropped off in the 2nd half of the season. I would sign him to like a 2-3 year deal, but not for a lot. I could definetly see him going somewhere else, and I wouldn't really care tbh.
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Make me understand why you would resign Bush when if he blows up in FA he could translate into a 3rd or 4th compensation pick in 2013 for a team in desperate need of draft picks with a GM with a penchant for plucking late round gems?
Because of the strike, the draft will be back-loaded for the next few years.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Baggabonez wrote: | Make me understand why you would resign Bush when if he blows up in FA he could translate into a 3rd or 4th compensation pick in 2013 for a team in desperate need of draft picks with a GM with a penchant for plucking late round gems?
Because of the strike, the draft will be back-loaded for the next few years. |
3rd round compensation picks are usually given to teams who's absent player receives $40-50+ million dollar contracts.
-Julius Peppers [90 mil] in 2011
2010:
Albert Haynesworth[100 mil]
TJ Housh [40 mil]
D. Foxworth [who's contract was low for a 3rd at 30 mil]
It's more likely we get around a 5th for Bush. RB's don't command that large of contract deals nowadays unless you're a superstar. If he signs for starter money somewhere we may be lucky to get a 4th. But considering all the good RB FA's available, I doubt any 1 RB gets overpaid. Too much supply this year, not enough demand.
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Keleth
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:21 am Post subject: |
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| NickButera wrote: | | Baggabonez wrote: | Make me understand why you would resign Bush when if he blows up in FA he could translate into a 3rd or 4th compensation pick in 2013 for a team in desperate need of draft picks with a GM with a penchant for plucking late round gems?
Because of the strike, the draft will be back-loaded for the next few years. |
3rd round compensation picks are usually given to teams who's absent player receives $40-50+ million dollar contracts.
-Julius Peppers [90 mil] in 2011
2010:
Albert Haynesworth[100 mil]
TJ Housh [40 mil]
D. Foxworth [who's contract was low for a 3rd at 30 mil]
It's more likely we get around a 5th for Bush. RB's don't command that large of contract deals nowadays unless you're a superstar. If he signs for starter money somewhere we may be lucky to get a 4th. But considering all the good RB FA's available, I doubt any 1 RB gets overpaid. Too much supply this year, not enough demand. |
Yep probably get a 3rd for Nnamdi this year but will be lucky to get 5ths for Zack and Gallery.
Unless some playoff team signs Bush to a mega deal then we would be very hard pushed to get even a 4th for him. |
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BNich0622
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:45 am Post subject: |
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| RaisinBran wrote: | | robhamlin81 wrote: | | Depending on how much we can sign him for as a FA, we should keep him. Bush has been a very dependable RB when McFadden has gone down. |
He was only dependable against teams with terrible D-Lines (aka the Chargers, Vikings (injuries), etc). He had huge holes to run through in that game but didn't have breakaway speed to get TD's out of them. Not to mention DMAC would have had 300 yards rushing in those games if he played instead of Bush.
Bush is really not that dependable IMO. A great change of pace back but not a dependable starting RB. |
I think he means dependable as far as staying healthy and being a good filler. He ran for just shy of 1000 yards in half a season as the stater. IMO that's pretty solid. Depending upon how much he can be resigned for he is worth a look IMO.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:27 am Post subject: |
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| BNich0622 wrote: | | RaisinBran wrote: | | robhamlin81 wrote: | | Depending on how much we can sign him for as a FA, we should keep him. Bush has been a very dependable RB when McFadden has gone down. |
He was only dependable against teams with terrible D-Lines (aka the Chargers, Vikings (injuries), etc). He had huge holes to run through in that game but didn't have breakaway speed to get TD's out of them. Not to mention DMAC would have had 300 yards rushing in those games if he played instead of Bush.
Bush is really not that dependable IMO. A great change of pace back but not a dependable starting RB. |
I think he means dependable as far as staying healthy and being a good filler. He ran for just shy of 1000 yards in half a season as the stater. IMO that's pretty solid. Depending upon how much he can be resigned for he is worth a look IMO. |
+1
He definitly faded a bit as the season went on, but the man was carrying the load by himself, and thats something that you dont see often in this league anymore. Depending on how much he wants, it might be worth it to let him walk and hope for a comp pick.
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Dreadymatt
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:55 am Post subject: |
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if we francise Bush is it right he would still cost less than $8m - seems reasonable to me, although i guess we probably wont be able to afford this.
If it comes down to Branch or Bush who would you rather keep?
...on related note, I saw we signed Rashawn Jackson to the practice squad, he looked like a great FB prospect coming out of virginia a few years ago (big big lad) |
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Baggabonez
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Branch is a strong safety, not really a game changing position so if I was forced to chose I would probably go Bush over Branch. Also, I would go transitional tag (average of the Top 10 RBs) over franchise + an opportunity to match the offer. If the Raiders refuse to match I'm confident it's because someone overpaid for Bush thus ensuring a 3rd round compensation in 2013.
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TiberiusRising
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Baggabonez wrote: | | Branch is a strong safety, not really a game changing position so if I was forced to chose I would probably go Bush over Branch. Also, I would go transitional tag (average of the Top 10 RBs) over franchise + an opportunity to match the offer. If the Raiders refuse to match I'm confident it's because someone overpaid for Bush thus ensuring a 3rd round compensation in 2013. |
I think we extend Branch and use transitional tag on Bush. Franchise tag is way to much for Bush imo. There are plenty of FA out there if he gets signed away. |
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ZoomWaffle
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Baggabonez wrote: | | Branch is a strong safety, not really a game changing position so if I was forced to chose I would probably go Bush over Branch. Also, I would go transitional tag (average of the Top 10 RBs) over franchise + an opportunity to match the offer. If the Raiders refuse to match I'm confident it's because someone overpaid for Bush thus ensuring a 3rd round compensation in 2013. |
I didnt find the salaries for the top 10 backs, but between Steven Jackson, Frank Gore, Michael Turner, MJD, McFadden, and Adrian Peterson their average is roughly 8.3 million. I really hope we dont spend that much on Bush with a transition tag.
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Baggabonez
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| TiberiusRising wrote: | | Baggabonez wrote: | | Branch is a strong safety, not really a game changing position so if I was forced to chose I would probably go Bush over Branch. Also, I would go transitional tag (average of the Top 10 RBs) over franchise + an opportunity to match the offer. If the Raiders refuse to match I'm confident it's because someone overpaid for Bush thus ensuring a 3rd round compensation in 2013. |
I think we extend Branch and use transitional tag on Bush. Franchise tag is way to much for Bush imo. There are plenty of FA out there if he gets signed away. |
I believe the franchise tag number for safety is $6.2M. Given what the franchise tag number is, the fact that Branch plays SS not FS, and Branch's ability relative to Adrian Wilson, what is the MAXIMUM average salary you would be willing to give Branch before he priced himself out of the market.
Below is the 2012 salaries for safeties. Where do SSs stand on this list?
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Ed Reed at Safety $7,200,000
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Antrel Rolle at Safety $6,750,000
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Adrian Wilson at Safety $6,500,000
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Troy Polamalu at Safety $6,250,000
Franchise Tag - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $6,200,000
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Brian Dawkins at Safety $6,000,000
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Antoine Bethea at Safety $5,025,000
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Eric Weddle at Safety $5,000,000
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Yeremiah Bell at Safety $4,300,000
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Michael Huff at Safety $4,000,000
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Eric Berry at Safety $3,900,000
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Kerry Rhodes at Safety $3,500,000
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Nick Collins at Safety $3,450,000
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Oshiomogho Atogwe at Safety $3,400,000
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Donte Whitner at Safety $3,300,000
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Ryan Clark at Safety $3,000,000
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Hiram Eugene at Safety $2,500,000
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Melvin Bullitt at Safety $2,400,000
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Tanard Jackson at Safety $2,000,000
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Chris Crocker at Safety $1,750,000
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George Wilson at Safety $1,725,000
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Bernard Pollard at Safety $1,550,000
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Craig Dahl at Safety $1,200,000
Eric Smith at Safety $1,200,000
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Charlie Peprah at Safety $1,000,000
Earl Thomas at Safety $1,000,000
Quintin Mikell at Safety $1,000,000
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Kenny Phillips at Safety $880,000
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Eric Frampton at Safety $850,000
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Louis Delmas at Safety $822,500
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Tyrone Culver at Safety $800,000
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Josh Barrett at Safety $775,000
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John Wendling at Safety $700,000
Charles Godfrey at Safety $700,000
Gerald Alexander at Safety $700,000
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Patrick Chung at Safety $600,000
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William Moore at Safety $565,000 |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:11 am Post subject: |
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| looking at that list $3m maybe |
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oakdb36
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| From the latest i've heard from Corkran and Gutierrez, it sounds like Bush won't be tagged. The media had an informal private meeting with McKenzie last week and Corkran went from believing Bush would be franchised to no tag will be used by the Raiders. I guess McKenzie gave them enough indications that would be the case. Great news as far as i'm concerned. |
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