complete receiving threat

eagles1014 · Joined: 14 Nov 2011 Posts: 21

watching the nfl championship games I just cant help but realize what all of these teams have in common and what our team is really lacking on offense. As I watch these games i observe that a COMPLETE receiving threat is something that this team is lacking. We have maclin and jackson who yeah they can take the top off the D and go for a 50+ yard td, but what we need is a COMPLETE player. As im watching the 9ers vs the giants, i see victor cruz and vernon davis making play after play. Not only are they making the big highlight play, but they are making these plays that go unnoticed. When you have a guy who can go deep yet is willing to make those tough over the middle grabs that you will get popped, thats the most important. That being said i would love for us to go after a wide out this year who can draw that type of attention. I dont think paying desean is the best thing for our franchise. If he wants top wr money he does not deserve it. If we are going to pay someone top wr money, there are plenty of wr on the FA market (bowe, vincent jackson, wayne) i feel like they have more to offer this team than desean does. Dont get me wrong i love desean and i love what he can do for us. But for top wr money id like a top wr not a guy who is scared to go over the middle and has shown inconsistant judgment/hands.

birdman0069 · Joined: 25 Feb 2006 Posts: 6050 Location: Key West, FL

1st, Those types of players sre rare.
2nd, I have said this over and over agaion. You, me and the down the street have no idea what kind of money DJ is looking for or what the Eagles are offering.
3rd, there aren't plenty of WR's on the free agent market that can bring to the table what DeSean does.
Reggie Wayne is past his prime.
Welker isn't going anywhere.
Vincent Jackson has been an injuried head case that teams are going to be reluctent to throw big money at.
Everyone and their mother thinks Bowe will be franchised.
Colston has had alot of trouble staying healthy.
Steve Johnson is a total head case. That will scare a bunch of teams away, including us after the T.O. years.
Brandon Lloyd?
Robert Meachum. Although a nice player he isn't DeSean and doesn't require defenses to game plan for him.
Mario Manningham? Depending on what day it is he may bring his soft hands or his rock hands to work.
That's it foe the free agents.
There is no way you can bring a rookie in and depend on him.
With all the problems we had last season, we still finished with 2 WR and a TE with over 50 recptiopn or more. Only NE and NO did that this past season.
Our offense is at it's best when 7-8 people have a reception. This is a "spread the ball around" offense. Defenders can't double anyone when that many players touch the ball. Do we need more size? Yes. Would this team as good next season if Jackson were not on the team? No.
Of the above receivers the only ones that are truely "#1" receivers are Bowe, (and you wouldn't know it from last year), Steve Johnson and Wes Welker. The rest are complimenary/#2-#3 type guys.
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Bednarik60 · Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:40 am Post subject:

Any one that argues we dont need some serious toughness and size at wide receiver/tight end is joking them selves, size matters(thats what she said hahahahaah your so funny , make me a drink little kid, scat) , but size matters in this league, it has a lot to do with what coverages are being played more (specially the cover 2 looks) and i think the rules "the rules of the league vs the athletes on defense" basically you cant clean some ones clock like you once could or just beat them up at the LOS like in the old days, yet your also seeing a revolution in the athlete at CB in particular, so the game is becoming less and less about what YAC and more about the unclaimed property in the air.

Like CBs are just getting bigger and more agile. there like lean long running backs lol , they are tall with loose hops long arms and the change of direction and foot quickness of a RB. and the rules dont allow CB to get up in a dudes grill like the old days(lol Ty Law) so CB play off and even if you get the ball there to your WR in that super tight window in that cushion, the CB's are just stupid fast and lanky and your not getting to far on them and beating them in the open field isnt easy as they break down like a RB and have to much wiggle to be beaten(unless your Shady). They also cant be beaten down field in a foot race, again specially with a lot of the cover 2 looks and deep safety looks, the CB are locked on you like glue.

Theres only one place for the ball in the new NFL, its up in the air, you got to go and get the ball at the highest point. Its like the last no mans land, where so many variables can play into one play, you line up your big wide receiver against there big CB and you trust your guy to out compete the defender. Its strange when 2-3 guys go up for a ball and there all pretty close in size and leaping ability , yet theres just a certain toughness or attitude of thriving in competition for the guys that go up and get those balls. but you got to have the size to even have a chance.

I love how Evil Bill in Tom Bradyville, went and drafted two big tight ends that can run and jump, and just lines them up in the seems of cover 2 and abuses them over and over again, Evil Bill adapts, Andy does not. We will draft a 6'2 tight end and a 5'11 wide receiver and they will get consumed physically or not be able to out run defenses consistently time and time again like every other Eagles receivers.

Its get old, cause its so obvious.
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RollEagles · Joined: 10 Jan 2012 Posts: 3184 Location: Washington, DC

I do agree that we need a big physical receiver. But I think what makes the Patriots offense great is a little mixture of everything. They've got the ultimate safety valve in Welker and the ultimate physical receiving threat in Gronkowski. Their weapons on offense are endless.

The way I look at it, the Eagles are one guy away from being able to attack a defense from every aspect. A physical receiver that can go over the middle is all that is left.

We can run with the QB better than anyone, run with the RB with the best of them, throw the deep ball with the best of them. Now let's get a guy that can go over the middle. Run some slants. Run some crossing routes. Someone who can take some punishment. We have someone who does a little of that in Brent Celek. Now lets go get one more.
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PowerElite · Joined: 25 Dec 2009 Posts: 7624

I just hate how Eagles posters routinely are a year or so behind me with observations. Last year Maclin was all we needed as the #1 moving forward. He was "Reggie Wayne 2.0." He's Reggie alright, Reggie Brown 2.0...

babyatemydingo · Joined: 15 Jan 2007 Posts: 5912 Location: South Jersey

While there is some truth to B60's homoerotic vision of the NFL I have to take exception.

Good players are good players regardless of size.

DB's may be getting bigger, but that doesn't mean better.
Smaller, quicker receivers will always have a quickness advantage.
The ability to run routes and good hands are equally important.

Wes Welker led all receivers in receptions. He's 5'9".
6' Roddy White was second. 5'11" Percy Harvin was 4th.
Darelle Revis is the best CB in football, hands down. He's 5'11".

The NY Giants have four receivers over 6'1".
Ramses Barden (6'6"), Michael Clayton (6'3"), Domenik Hixon (6'2") and Devin Thomas (6'2").
Hakeem Nicks is 6'1". Victor Cruz is 6'. Mario Manningham is 6' and Jerrel Jernigan is 5'8".
They are in the Super Bowl because of the second group, not the first.

I don't care if the Eagles draft Russell Wilson, Kendall Wright, Brandon Thompson, Bobby Wagner, Alfonzo Dennard, Trenton Robinson, Brandon Taylor, Mychal Kendricks, Sean Spence and Cody Johnson.....so long as it makes the team better.

A fascination with one aspect of a player's metrics is a recipe for disaster.

Would the Eagles have benefited from a guy like London Fletcher?
But, he's too short. Just like Zach Thomas and Sam Mills before him.
Hell, I'd take Dat Nyguen at this point.

Bob Sanders? Steve Smith? Etc.?

Just don't focus on any one thing too much...particularly leanness, long hips and whatever that other stuff was.

babyatemydingo · Joined: 15 Jan 2007 Posts: 5912 Location: South Jersey

Also, Aaron Hernandez is only 6'1".

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birdman0069 · Joined: 25 Feb 2006 Posts: 6050 Location: Key West, FL

The NFL wants high scoring games so the fringe fans will watch. They think it's exciting. Personal, I would rather see a great defensive battle any day of the week. The rules will continue to change to benefit the offense. Soon, they'll be playing flag football. The games are less and less about the best teams and more about "fantasy stats" and the best TD dance. It's truely sad when the 2 teams in the Super Bowl clearly aren't the best 2 teams in the league. When is the last time you saw a Super Bowl played with teams that are 27th and 31st in the league? This just proves that defnse doesn't win games any longer, rules do. It's a sad day if you are a true football fan.
Sadly, the Eagles fit right in. Just stop a team once or twice and go out and throw the ball 35 plus times.
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