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akintu
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 Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:22 am Post subject: Wheels are turning mock |
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So the AJC breached the subject of possibly trading Michael Turner this off season and I LOVE IT!!!! we should be able to get a mid to late first for him (I mean he was the 3rd best rb in the league last year as far as yards go)...if we do (crossing fingers)
in FA amongst other things,
let Abe walk (we need the money)
sign either Carl Nicks or Even Mathis and Demetrius Bell (o-line solved)
Get Laron Landry in here somehow...someway
I'd like for the draft to look a little something like this
1. Melvin Ingram DE USCe- special kid, outstanding athlete for his size, instant pass rush
2. Coby Fleener TE Stanford- This kid is special simply put, a year behind Tony G will make him elite
3. Robert Turbin RB Utah St.- Replacement for Turner, Like Montee Ball 100% more but can't wait till next year to fill that hole if we're aiming for a championship
5. Robert Blanton CB Notre Dame- Absolutely fantastic player, will do whatever you ask him and do it well.
6. Russell Wilson QB Wisconsin or BJ Coleman QB UTC- Whichever is here will be great for us as a back up
7. Marquis Maze WR/KR/PR Alabama- Insurance for Eric Weems going out and making more money than we'd like to pay him
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devils1854
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No way the Falcons could get a first for Turner. RBs arent valued that high anymore, plus Turner will be 30 years old, with lots of wear on his body. At best, he might get a 3rd rounder.
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akintu
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:28 am Post subject: |
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| devils1854 wrote: | | No way the Falcons could get a first for Turner. RBs arent valued that high anymore, plus Turner will be 30 years old, with lots of wear on his body. At best, he might get a 3rd rounder. |
That was my thinking too, was going by what the AJC was suggesting.
If we get a third for him, I'd trade that pick and our 5th to get another pick in the 2nd round and take Vinny Curry there, take a CB in the 6th and just work with what we have to back-up Ryan as is.
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devils1854
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| akintu wrote: | | devils1854 wrote: | | No way the Falcons could get a first for Turner. RBs arent valued that high anymore, plus Turner will be 30 years old, with lots of wear on his body. At best, he might get a 3rd rounder. |
That was my thinking too, was going by what the AJC was suggesting.
If we get a third for him, I'd trade that pick and our 5th to get another pick in the 2nd round and take Vinny Curry there, take a CB in the 6th and just work with what we have to back-up Ryan as is. |
I read the Schultz article(he's an idiot btw), hes a columnist, not a beat writer, so hes knows about as much as we do, and he mentioned a mid-round selection.
Id personally be all for it. It would give us a little more cap room. We could draft a guy to go with Quizz and Smith, and go from there.
Ive always like the Patriots philosophy. Get rid of them a year early, instead of a year too late, and I think this offseason is the last offseason that Turner will have any value at all.
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Olympia Martin
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:53 am Post subject: |
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| All things considered this is a really good mock draft but Michael Turner based on age and mileage is worth nothing more than a 6th round pick at best. I love the Fleener pick. |
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Hotlanta12
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Turner is fine and I want him here. 3rd best RB production and you want to trade him? Next year is his last year. Get hima line that is able to create holes like back in 08 and see what he can do with Rodgers.
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devils1854
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Hotlanta12 wrote: | | Turner is fine and I want him here. 3rd best RB production and you want to trade him? Next year is his last year. Get hima line that is able to create holes like back in 08 and see what he can do with Rodgers. |
You do realize that is misleading. The game has gone so far away from the running game, that there were only 3 RBs to get 300 or more carries this year, and unless a back is simply horrible, they are guaranteed over 1200 yards. Bulk yards are meaningless in the game today. He wasnt the 3rd best back in the league, and he isnt even a top 10 back in the league anymore. The offense is going to be changing, and it doesnt sound like he is going to fit as well.
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LOVE to acquisition of Melvin Ingram in the draft, I think he can become an elite edge rusher.
and on the Laron Landry signing... I LOVE that too. Landry is one of my favorite players in the entire NFL.. he just seems to never be able to finish out a season he seems injury prone. However, Landry is a SS. Willy Moore is also a SS. We need a replacement for DeCoud more than Moore, even though I think Landry is a dynamic play maker in the back end.
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Hotlanta12
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:47 am Post subject: |
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| devils1854 wrote: | | Hotlanta12 wrote: | | Turner is fine and I want him here. 3rd best RB production and you want to trade him? Next year is his last year. Get hima line that is able to create holes like back in 08 and see what he can do with Rodgers. |
You do realize that is misleading. The game has gone so far away from the running game, that there were only 3 RBs to get 300 or more carries this year, and unless a back is simply horrible, they are guaranteed over 1200 yards. Bulk yards are meaningless in the game today. He wasnt the 3rd best back in the league, and he isnt even a top 10 back in the league anymore. The offense is going to be changing, and it doesnt sound like he is going to fit as well. |
I did not say 3rd best RB in the league. Production wise yes. 3rd in yards. top 7 in TDs. Top 10 in yards per game. Hes a top 10 RB. I just dont see how you can upgrade a position with someone better. I have no problem bringing in a David Wilson, Chris Polk, or Bernard Pierce. Have them play a bit then when Turner leaves after next year they can step in and be primarily a feature back with Jacquizz the alternate.
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| devils1854 wrote: | | Hotlanta12 wrote: | | Turner is fine and I want him here. 3rd best RB production and you want to trade him? Next year is his last year. Get hima line that is able to create holes like back in 08 and see what he can do with Rodgers. |
You do realize that is misleading. The game has gone so far away from the running game, that there were only 3 RBs to get 300 or more carries this year, and unless a back is simply horrible, they are guaranteed over 1200 yards. Bulk yards are meaningless in the game today. He wasnt the 3rd best back in the league, and he isnt even a top 10 back in the league anymore. The offense is going to be changing, and it doesnt sound like he is going to fit as well. |
Not trying to start any problems, jus curious, name the 10 backs u believe r better than turner |
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devils1854
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:29 am Post subject: |
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| falcfan4life wrote: | | devils1854 wrote: | | Hotlanta12 wrote: | | Turner is fine and I want him here. 3rd best RB production and you want to trade him? Next year is his last year. Get hima line that is able to create holes like back in 08 and see what he can do with Rodgers. |
You do realize that is misleading. The game has gone so far away from the running game, that there were only 3 RBs to get 300 or more carries this year, and unless a back is simply horrible, they are guaranteed over 1200 yards. Bulk yards are meaningless in the game today. He wasnt the 3rd best back in the league, and he isnt even a top 10 back in the league anymore. The offense is going to be changing, and it doesnt sound like he is going to fit as well. |
Not trying to start any problems, jus curious, name the 10 backs u believe r better than turner |
Better than Turner:
LeSean McCoy
Adrian Peterson
Matt Forte
Deangelo Williams
Steven Jackson
Fred Jackson
Maurice Jones Drew
Arian Foster
Chiris Johnson
Ray Rice
Jamaal Charles
Darren McFadden
Equal to Turner:
Frank Gore
Ryan Matthews
Pierre Thomas
Jonathan Stewart
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| devils1854 wrote: | | falcfan4life wrote: | | devils1854 wrote: | | Hotlanta12 wrote: | | Turner is fine and I want him here. 3rd best RB production and you want to trade him? Next year is his last year. Get hima line that is able to create holes like back in 08 and see what he can do with Rodgers. |
You do realize that is misleading. The game has gone so far away from the running game, that there were only 3 RBs to get 300 or more carries this year, and unless a back is simply horrible, they are guaranteed over 1200 yards. Bulk yards are meaningless in the game today. He wasnt the 3rd best back in the league, and he isnt even a top 10 back in the league anymore. The offense is going to be changing, and it doesnt sound like he is going to fit as well. |
Not trying to start any problems, jus curious, name the 10 backs u believe r better than turner |
Better than Turner:
LeSean McCoy Maybe, but not very durable
Adrian Peterson Yes, but he has had his health issues as well
Matt Forte Maybe
Deangelo Williams No, far too often injured
Steven Jackson Yes
Fred Jackson No
Maurice Jones Drew Yes
Arian Foster Yes
Chiris Johnson Is a quitter, not even top ten player on his team
Ray Rice Maybe
Jamaal Charles No
Darren McFadden When he can stay on the field maybe
Equal to Turner:
Frank Gore
Ryan Matthews
Pierre Thomas
Jonathan Stewart |
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devils1854
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| gilmerfalcon wrote: | | devils1854 wrote: | | falcfan4life wrote: | | devils1854 wrote: | | Hotlanta12 wrote: | | Turner is fine and I want him here. 3rd best RB production and you want to trade him? Next year is his last year. Get hima line that is able to create holes like back in 08 and see what he can do with Rodgers. |
You do realize that is misleading. The game has gone so far away from the running game, that there were only 3 RBs to get 300 or more carries this year, and unless a back is simply horrible, they are guaranteed over 1200 yards. Bulk yards are meaningless in the game today. He wasnt the 3rd best back in the league, and he isnt even a top 10 back in the league anymore. The offense is going to be changing, and it doesnt sound like he is going to fit as well. |
Not trying to start any problems, jus curious, name the 10 backs u believe r better than turner |
Better than Turner:
LeSean McCoy Maybe, but not very durable
Adrian Peterson Yes, but he has had his health issues as well
Matt Forte Maybe
Deangelo Williams No, far too often injured
Steven Jackson Yes
Fred Jackson No
Maurice Jones Drew Yes
Arian Foster Yes
Chiris Johnson Is a quitter, not even top ten player on his team
Ray Rice Maybe
Jamaal Charles No
Darren McFadden When he can stay on the field maybe
Equal to Turner:
Frank Gore
Ryan Matthews
Pierre Thomas
Jonathan Stewart |
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LeSean McCoy- Only missed 2 games in 3 year career. 1600 total yards this year, and 1600 in 2010.
Adrian Peterson-This is the first time he has ever missed a game. Turner missed games in 09. If Peterson has injury issues, then Turner does too.
Matt Forte-Had 1300 total yards in 12 games this year, and had over 1600 total yards last year
DeAngelo Williams-Played in all 16 games this year, and 2010 was the only year he had a serious injury. 5.4 ypc this year. 5.2 in 2009, 5.5 in 2008, and 5.0 in 2007.
Fred Jackson-Has always been a part of a committe. Never had more than 237 carries in a year. Better per carry back, and a lot better in passing game. 1370 yards on 209 touches this year, 1140 yards on 250 touches in 2010, 1430 yards on 280 touches in 09.
Chris Johnson-In his down year this year, still had 1465 total yards. 1500 total yards in 10, 2500 in 09, and 1490 as a rookie.
Ray Rice-Rushed for 1220 yards each of the last 3 years. Has caught at least 60 balls for 550 yards in those three years as well.
Jamaal Charles-6.1 career ypc. 1900 total yards in 2010 with only 275 touches. 1400 total yards in 2009 with 230 touches.
Darren McFadden-The only one I could see Turner being ahead of, but he did have 1600 total yards in 2010.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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| devils1854 wrote: | | gilmerfalcon wrote: | | devils1854 wrote: | | falcfan4life wrote: | | devils1854 wrote: | | Hotlanta12 wrote: | | Turner is fine and I want him here. 3rd best RB production and you want to trade him? Next year is his last year. Get hima line that is able to create holes like back in 08 and see what he can do with Rodgers. |
You do realize that is misleading. The game has gone so far away from the running game, that there were only 3 RBs to get 300 or more carries this year, and unless a back is simply horrible, they are guaranteed over 1200 yards. Bulk yards are meaningless in the game today. He wasnt the 3rd best back in the league, and he isnt even a top 10 back in the league anymore. The offense is going to be changing, and it doesnt sound like he is going to fit as well. |
Not trying to start any problems, jus curious, name the 10 backs u believe r better than turner |
Better than Turner:
LeSean McCoy Maybe, but not very durable
Adrian Peterson Yes, but he has had his health issues as well
Matt Forte Maybe
Deangelo Williams No, far too often injured
Steven Jackson Yes
Fred Jackson No
Maurice Jones Drew Yes
Arian Foster Yes
Chiris Johnson Is a quitter, not even top ten player on his team
Ray Rice Maybe
Jamaal Charles No
Darren McFadden When he can stay on the field maybe
Equal to Turner:
Frank Gore
Ryan Matthews
Pierre Thomas
Jonathan Stewart |
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LeSean McCoy- Only missed 2 games in 3 year career. 1600 total yards this year, and 1600 in 2010.
Adrian Peterson-This is the first time he has ever missed a game. Turner missed games in 09. If Peterson has injury issues, then Turner does too.
Matt Forte-Had 1300 total yards in 12 games this year, and had over 1600 total yards last year
DeAngelo Williams-Played in all 16 games this year, and 2010 was the only year he had a serious injury. 5.4 ypc this year. 5.2 in 2009, 5.5 in 2008, and 5.0 in 2007.
Fred Jackson-Has always been a part of a committe. Never had more than 237 carries in a year. Better per carry back, and a lot better in passing game. 1370 yards on 209 touches this year, 1140 yards on 250 touches in 2010, 1430 yards on 280 touches in 09.
Chris Johnson-In his down year this year, still had 1465 total yards. 1500 total yards in 10, 2500 in 09, and 1490 as a rookie.
Ray Rice-Rushed for 1220 yards each of the last 3 years. Has caught at least 60 balls for 550 yards in those three years as well.
Jamaal Charles-6.1 career ypc. 1900 total yards in 2010 with only 275 touches. 1400 total yards in 2009 with 230 touches.
Darren McFadden-The only one I could see Turner being ahead of, but he did have 1600 total yards in 2010. |
I'd put Freddy Jackson equal to Turner, and I'd put Frank Gore and Marshawn Lynch (who you didn't even have equal to Mr. Turner) ahead of Turner 
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1) Turner could have easily had 1600+ with a better Oline, THE BALL MORE and better offense plain and simple. No argument there I like to believe.
2) All of those RBs but a healthy AP would have had a horrible year on the '11 Falcons. AP surely would have struggled some.
3) Turner doesn't have that extra burst of speed he did have, but does have..
a) Power
b) big play making ability
c) experience and knows what it takes week in and week out
d) excellent history of no serious injuries
e) hard to come by intangables
4) I like Turner as much as the next guy and trading Turner while you can still get something for him can be worth while and makes sense.
BUT, we do not wanna get stuck like the Lions with zero running game when we really need one I promise you.
Ryan and our offense are not the Packers offense yet.
I don't believe we can get it done with NO running game when we will need a running game badly.
We still need someone proven.
I like J Rodgers alot but forget putting too much pressure on him and hanging our season Snelling, Jacquizz and a rookie.
May be worth hanging onto Turner atleast 1 more year unless we bring a fairly big FA in to replace him and not 1 with a history of injuries.
Turner reminds me alot of BJGE for the Pats and if Ryan starts hitting his stride and our offense gels Turner could be the perfect RB. |
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