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wgbeethree
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Oh ye of little faith. 
Two words. RUSS BALL.
He's the best person at what he does in the entire Packers organization and I have zero worries about the salary cap as long as he is here.
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LawnGamesChamp
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| N. Collins Fan wrote: | | Hawk is situation to watch, IMO. I could see the Packers pulling the plug as early as this offseason. |
Hawk isn't going anywhere. It would cost the Packers $150,000 more to keep him than to cut him or trade him. He won't be cut until after the 2013 season where he would cost the Packers 3.2 million in dead cap. |
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LawnGamesChamp
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I'm going to bump this because it will help clarify the Packers salary cap situation.
I updated the front page a little bit, but I need to go through and make sure everything has been updated ( I know Harrell and Herb Taylor aren't on there ).
If you guys see anything else that needs to be updated/changed. Let me know.
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IF the cap were to remain at 120 million AND we didn't use the 4.5 million available to us (that would need to be borrowed from other years) we are looking at about 96.75 + 3.2 (for the nfl draft) = 100 million.
About 20 million in cap room for free agents, but we have access (to borrow more from future seasons) and the cap may be raised for next year from 120 million so hypothetically we could have much more available to us next season.
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The way I see it we have 4 players that need to be signed/ extended/ contracts need to be redone in the near future: Aaron Rodgers, T.J. Lang, Greg Jennings and Clay Matthews.
Clay can probably wait until the beginning of 2013 so we will just focus on 3 players for next year in Jennings, Lang and Rodgers.
In my estimation we would need around 12-15 million dollars to adequately extend all 3 players. This severely cuts in to the funds we have available during FA this year. I would say at the absolute most we can spend 10 million in FA (which includes re-signing our own FAs) maybe 12 million if we really stretch our dollar. With this being said I don't see Wells playing for the Pack next year due to the salary cap implications. We need that money to be able to re-sign Finley and one of the following in Bush/ Lee (I would think Lee would come at a much better value). Grant, Walden, Howard Green would seem to be out of the picture, but the other side of that coin shows that we would have enough cap to cover a franchise tag on Matt Flynn even after signing Jermichael Finley and Lee (or) Bush to contracts. Finley and Wells both being re-signed seems out of the question unless both sign extremely team friendly deals. Splash signings such as (Campbell or Avril) seem largely out of the question unless more space is made.
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palmy50
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Think you can just about clear Driver and Clifton off the books.
Think I do everything I can to get a deal done on Finley right now. The price might be as right at ever on him, and could lead to good things with Flynn.
I would love to see Wells back, but don't see him as that "special" talent you can't win without. Could be numbers off the books, sadly!
Would think long and hard about Grant if the price was right. Looks like those might be numbers off the books as well though. Just hate the idea of going into camp with the two rookies and Starks. Would need to pick one if we lost Grant IMO. That Temple kid sure would look good in green though..... 
Need one of Bush or Lee back. Not real sure Bush is not the one I would try to get done after Finley.
Fans should stop the cut Pickett/Hawk to save bank crap now. It's not going to happen. Pickett is worth every dime, and the numbers would not work to cut Hawk.
Just my two cents!
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LawnGamesChamp
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:30 am Post subject: |
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| palmy50 wrote: | Think you can just about clear Driver and Clifton off the books.
Think I do everything I can to get a deal done on Finley right now. The price might be as right at ever on him, and could lead to good things with Flynn.
I would love to see Wells back, but don't see him as that "special" talent you can't win without. Could be numbers off the books, sadly!
Would think long and hard about Grant if the price was right. Looks like those might be numbers off the books as well though. Just hate the idea of going into camp with the two rookies and Starks. Would need to pick one if we lost Grant IMO. That Temple kid sure would look good in green though.....
Need one of Bush or Lee back. Not real sure Bush is not the one I would try to get done after Finley.
Fans should stop the cut Pickett/Hawk to save bank crap now. It's not going to happen. Pickett is worth every dime, and the numbers would not work to cut Hawk.
Just my two cents! |
Yep Hawk won't be cut if you look at those cap numbers and Pickett has played the run well especially down the stretch (there was a noticeable difference in those games he was out) and I feel he deserves the money he is going to get next year.
I will say that next year are the last "expensive" years for both Pickett and Woodson and all of the years following those are much more cap friendly for both.
EDIT: Also Palmy I am beginning to believe that Wells will NOT be back with the Packers next season. It just doesn't make a ton of sense (not that I don't like Wells), but the money would be better diverted towards a Finley contract IMO.
What do you think of bringing in a player like Scott Mruczkowski in on the cheap to compete with EDS at Center. I thought Mruczkowski played very well in 2009 at Center when Hardwick went down and he would come very, very cheap ( like 3 yr 4.5 mil at the most IMO). Or do you just think the draft is the only option? |
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BrettFavre004
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Palmy, I agree with you on Pickett, I thought he played very well this year. Is quite clear he doesn't belong on the field on 3rd downs, but plays great on 1st and 2nd. He is more like our NT playing at DE in that regards, especially since Raji is a 3 down man.
LGC, thanks a lot for doing this, you mentioned how we go after Rodgers, Clay, Jennings and Lang. Really disagree about Lang. College 2.0 in my mind, in that he is good, nothing special, replaceable, and not a guy we waste a lot of money on with a 2nd contract. Not saying he is a similar player to College, just that he is a replaceable part. Obviously, if we can get him where the numbers work, I don't have a big problem with it, but don't think he is worth what he would fetch on the open market to us. I would much rather resign Wells over Lang if I had to choose.
I also love love love, how 4 of our current top 8 salaried players could all be off the books in 2 years, with Woodson (highest, 11.5), Clifton (6th, 5.45), Pickett (7th, 5.375), and Driver (8th, 5). Also Nick Collins is 11th and it is possible we have seen the last of him.
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| BrettFavre004 wrote: | Palmy, I agree with you on Pickett, I thought he played very well this year. Is quite clear he doesn't belong on the field on 3rd downs, but plays great on 1st and 2nd. He is more like our NT playing at DE in that regards, especially since Raji is a 3 down man.
LGC, thanks a lot for doing this, you mentioned how we go after Rodgers, Clay, Jennings and Lang. Really disagree about Lang. College 2.0 in my mind, in that he is good, nothing special, replaceable, and not a guy we waste a lot of money on with a 2nd contract. Not saying he is a similar player to College, just that he is a replaceable part. Obviously, if we can get him where the numbers work, I don't have a big problem with it, but don't think he is worth what he would fetch on the open market to us. I would much rather resign Wells over Lang if I had to choose.
I also love love love, how 4 of our current top 8 salaried players could all be off the books in 2 years, with Woodson (highest, 11.5), Clifton (6th, 5.45), Pickett (7th, 5.375), and Driver (8th, 5). Also Nick Collins is 11th and it is possible we have seen the last of him. |
Lang and Colledge are 2 completely different players, but I get what you are saying about being able to replace Lang. Obviously replacing Lang would be much easier to do than Rodgers, Jennings and Matthews  ha. With that being said if Thompson can knock out a mid-season value contract next year (ala Jordy Nelson) it could turn out being an absolute steal for the team. I think people underestimate how good Lang can be at Guard and by next year even the casual fan may begin to notice him regularly. If you can keep Lang and Sitton (who is obviously already signed long-term) together we could have a Top 5 Guard tandem in the NFL and push for the best in the future if Nicks and Evans don't stay together beyond this season. If Sitton regains his Pro Bowl form and Lang realizes his potential next year then we could have that great tandem at Guard for a long time and...... that certainly wouldn't hurt. |
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BrettFavre004
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| LawnGamesChamp wrote: | | BrettFavre004 wrote: | Palmy, I agree with you on Pickett, I thought he played very well this year. Is quite clear he doesn't belong on the field on 3rd downs, but plays great on 1st and 2nd. He is more like our NT playing at DE in that regards, especially since Raji is a 3 down man.
LGC, thanks a lot for doing this, you mentioned how we go after Rodgers, Clay, Jennings and Lang. Really disagree about Lang. College 2.0 in my mind, in that he is good, nothing special, replaceable, and not a guy we waste a lot of money on with a 2nd contract. Not saying he is a similar player to College, just that he is a replaceable part. Obviously, if we can get him where the numbers work, I don't have a big problem with it, but don't think he is worth what he would fetch on the open market to us. I would much rather resign Wells over Lang if I had to choose.
I also love love love, how 4 of our current top 8 salaried players could all be off the books in 2 years, with Woodson (highest, 11.5), Clifton (6th, 5.45), Pickett (7th, 5.375), and Driver (8th, 5). Also Nick Collins is 11th and it is possible we have seen the last of him. |
Lang and Colledge are 2 completely different players, but I get what you are saying about being able to replace Lang. Obviously replacing Lang would be much easier to do than Rodgers, Jennings and Matthews ha. With that being said if Thompson can knock out a mid-season value contract next year (ala Jordy Nelson) it could turn out being an absolute steal for the team. I think people underestimate how good Lang can be at Guard and by next year even the casual fan may begin to notice him regularly. If you can keep Lang and Sitton (who is obviously already signed long-term) together we could have a Top 5 Guard tandem in the NFL and push for the best in the future if Nicks and Evans don't stay together beyond this season. If Sitton regains his Pro Bowl form and Lang realizes his potential next year then we could have that great tandem at Guard for a long time and...... that certainly wouldn't hurt. |
You stopped bolding too early.
Just feel like you need to resign your all-pro caliber players. Like ARod, Jennings, Sitton, Watthews, Tramon, and Collins, etc. Players after that are fairly expendable if you don't resign them to a more than fair contract then you probably shouldn't.
Only so many contracts to go around. Personally, I would rather have Greg Jennings than James Jones and TJ Lang. I realize we could possibly have all 3, but I think you keep your studs, the rest are expendable.
I also think what we have ready to go should also play into it. It was perfectly fine to let College go, because we had Lang ready to go. Not resigning Ahman Green ended up clearly being the right move, but we really suffered for a while by letting him go with basically no one else ready to play, no garuntee he gets hurt right away in GB and likely he wouldn't be earning the $ was asking for, but we definitely could have used him until we got someone else ready, even if he was over priced. Vernand Morency was not ready to play.
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Packerraymond
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| palmy50 wrote: | Think you can just about clear Driver and Clifton off the books.
Think I do everything I can to get a deal done on Finley right now. The price might be as right at ever on him, and could lead to good things with Flynn.
I would love to see Wells back, but don't see him as that "special" talent you can't win without. Could be numbers off the books, sadly!
Would think long and hard about Grant if the price was right. Looks like those might be numbers off the books as well though. Just hate the idea of going into camp with the two rookies and Starks. Would need to pick one if we lost Grant IMO. That Temple kid sure would look good in green though.....
Need one of Bush or Lee back. Not real sure Bush is not the one I would try to get done after Finley.
Fans should stop the cut Pickett/Hawk to save bank crap now. It's not going to happen. Pickett is worth every dime, and the numbers would not work to cut Hawk.
Just my two cents! |
Really wish we would have held onto McDonald and not EDS, not real sure what TT was thinking there? but I would like to hold onto Wells more so now that we don't have a real good replacement. I think Bulaga at LT and Newhouse at RT will be just fine for us next year, Lang could play RT as well, but he is a better fit at LG than Newhouse. Sherrod will hopefully recover and make Newhouse into that guy who can help you out as the back-up at four spots, but I would look long and hard at keeping Wells if the $$$ works.
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Great stuff in here. I'll throw in this link: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/
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| palmy50 wrote: | Think you can just about clear Driver and Clifton off the books.
Think I do everything I can to get a deal done on Finley right now. The price might be as right at ever on him, and could lead to good things with Flynn.
I would love to see Wells back, but don't see him as that "special" talent you can't win without. Could be numbers off the books, sadly!
Would think long and hard about Grant if the price was right. Looks like those might be numbers off the books as well though. Just hate the idea of going into camp with the two rookies and Starks. Would need to pick one if we lost Grant IMO. That Temple kid sure would look good in green though.....
Need one of Bush or Lee back. Not real sure Bush is not the one I would try to get done after Finley.
Fans should stop the cut Pickett/Hawk to save bank crap now. It's not going to happen. Pickett is worth every dime, and the numbers would not work to cut Hawk.
Just my two cents! |
You don't think it would be worth it to bring Clifton back another year? Especially with Sherrod's broken leg |
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JustisM
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| Pick6byWoodson wrote: | | palmy50 wrote: | Think you can just about clear Driver and Clifton off the books.
Think I do everything I can to get a deal done on Finley right now. The price might be as right at ever on him, and could lead to good things with Flynn.
I would love to see Wells back, but don't see him as that "special" talent you can't win without. Could be numbers off the books, sadly!
Would think long and hard about Grant if the price was right. Looks like those might be numbers off the books as well though. Just hate the idea of going into camp with the two rookies and Starks. Would need to pick one if we lost Grant IMO. That Temple kid sure would look good in green though.....
Need one of Bush or Lee back. Not real sure Bush is not the one I would try to get done after Finley.
Fans should stop the cut Pickett/Hawk to save bank crap now. It's not going to happen. Pickett is worth every dime, and the numbers would not work to cut Hawk.
Just my two cents! |
You don't think it would be worth it to bring Clifton back another year? Especially with Sherrod's broken leg |
Newhouse filling in some time as a starter>Cliffy's contract
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The thing about Clifton that I have been wondering is with Sherrod possibly starting the season on the PUP list, we have little to no insurance at LT. I guess Lang is Newhouse gets hurt. But a few guys abused Newhouse. JPP comes to mind ( in the first Giants game). Why not keep Clifton around for one more season just in case? Just throwing it out there.
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LawnGamesChamp
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| Kampman74 wrote: | | The thing about Clifton that I have been wondering is with Sherrod possibly starting the season on the PUP list, we have little to no insurance at LT. I guess Lang is Newhouse gets hurt. But a few guys abused Newhouse. JPP comes to mind ( in the first Giants game). Why not keep Clifton around for one more season just in case? Just throwing it out there. |
An article a few weeks ago on MJS where TT talked about all of the rookies said that Sherrod SHOULD be ready for TC. If I remember correctly TT said he was "very confident" that Sherrod would be ready for TC and that the injury he has should be all healed up long before then. |
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Pick6byWoodson
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| JustisM wrote: | | Pick6byWoodson wrote: | | palmy50 wrote: | Think you can just about clear Driver and Clifton off the books.
Think I do everything I can to get a deal done on Finley right now. The price might be as right at ever on him, and could lead to good things with Flynn.
I would love to see Wells back, but don't see him as that "special" talent you can't win without. Could be numbers off the books, sadly!
Would think long and hard about Grant if the price was right. Looks like those might be numbers off the books as well though. Just hate the idea of going into camp with the two rookies and Starks. Would need to pick one if we lost Grant IMO. That Temple kid sure would look good in green though.....
Need one of Bush or Lee back. Not real sure Bush is not the one I would try to get done after Finley.
Fans should stop the cut Pickett/Hawk to save bank crap now. It's not going to happen. Pickett is worth every dime, and the numbers would not work to cut Hawk.
Just my two cents! |
You don't think it would be worth it to bring Clifton back another year? Especially with Sherrod's broken leg |
Newhouse filling in some time as a starter>Cliffy's contract |
And then if Newhouse gets injured?
It's all about depth. Especially at an important position like that. |
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