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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boltstrikes wrote:
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And in Madden Clary doesn't end up on his - every play...


In your Madden maybe... I edited the stats on mine to make it much more realistic. Took his pass blocking and agility down to more appropriate levels and he gets owned as much as in real life. Then again... in Madden Rivers is also a bit more mobile than he is in real life.


I think Rivers got faster on the one TD run that got called back thanks to Clary.

Also having Clary and Vasquez on the right side must have made his agility go up


His toughness is higher thanks to Clary.


CLary is the reason Rivers has to have so many kids so fast. Rivers is scared Clary will get him killed and Stephen can't be the only one to carry the Rivers name on.
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Guys, what are some of the Chargers biggest need(s) in the draft and off season?
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Guys, what are some of the Chargers biggest need(s) in the draft and off season?
RT, LG, CB/SS, OLB, Slot WR, developmental TE, backup RB, depth at ILB.
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Alright so im board, so i think i'm gonna update my mock...


Sign:
Eddie Royal/Ted Ginn (not a big signing, but one thats very AJish, where we're buying low, and trying to get the best out of the guy, in absolute worst case, he's a good, speedy return man, which is a need in itself.)

Martellus Bennett (Again, a smaller name signing, but a TE who's a VERY good blocker, and though isn't ever going to be a deep threat or stretch the field, is a guy who will compliment Gates very well as a replacement for McMichael)

Quentin Groves (His best fit is at OLB in the 3-4, and hasn't played there yet in his career. Has the ideal height/size and initial quickness to help us out as a starter to get the other guys ready to play. Very strong at the point and is an incredible raw athlete that can play ILB in a pinch as well, gives us great depth at both spots)

Justin Forsett (Great scat back type, perfect in the 3rd down role for us, solid blocker great receiver, and has some speed to his game. Would make a very good 3 headed monster with TDEK and Tolbert)

Rendrick Taylor (Comp for the FB job, an absolute HELL of an athlete, and ex WR for Clemson. Honstly, the only reason i want to bring him in for a look (cuz he's not even on a team right now), just look at this freaking pic of him....as a freshman....... :crazy: )



Chargers FA's (assuming McNeil fails physical (making his pay for 2012 go WAY down, i'm not sure what the exact stipulation in his contract is...), Dielman and Hardwick does not retire)

*WR Patrick Crayton--WR depth. No offer.
*LB Na'il Diggs--IlB depth. No offer
OL Brandyn Dombrowski--OL depth. Keep.
NT Antonio Garay--Starting NT. Keep.
T Jared Gaither--Starting LOT. Keep.
WR Richard Goodman--WR depth. Min offer, good STer (In the Kassim Osgood mold)
SS Steve Gregory--2nd string SS. Keep if he signs for Vet min.
*C Nick Hardwick--Starting C. Offer middling contract. Happy to let him go.
DT Tommie Harris--Nickel DT. Bring back for vet min.
*FB Jacob Hester--'Starting' FB. ST reg. Offer low contract, let him go if he doesn't want it.
WR Vincent Jackson--#1 WR. Sign him long-term.
TE Randy McMichael--#2 TE. Let Walk with signing of Bennett.
*OL Tony Moll--3rd string OL. No offer.
OL Scott Mruczkowski--2nd string OL. Vet min.
DB Paul Oliver--Backup S. Minimum Offer, great backup S
TE Kory Sperry--#3 TE. No offer.
RB Mike Tolbert--#2 RB. Offer in the 2-3 mill per year range.
WR Bryan Walters--WR depth. Minimum offer.
LS Mike Windt--Keep.

Draft:
1st: Nick Perry DE/OLB, USC (With the signing of Groves, we can Aldon Smith him into the league, where we allow him to be a backup SOLB, and pass rush Specialist, while he's getting accustomed to playing out of a 2 pt stance. He's the only guy in the draft that i see with the ability to make an impact right away, but also has the potential to be one of the premier pass rusher in the NFL.)

2nd: Brandon Washington RT/OG, Miami (Love this guy and he's VERY underrated. Was forced to play LT for the first time since HS this year and obviously didn't do so well, but he's got the versatility to play RT if needed, but is an absolute MONSTER at OG, and play LG as the successor to Dielman, while correcting some technique stuff, and learing from Dielman. He would help our run game 100x over. A little raw, but he absolutely has the potential to be an elite OG in the league, remeniscent of Davin Joseph IMO.)

3rd: Coby Fleener/LaDarius Green TE, Stanford/ULL (Either of these guys would be really good 3rd TE's with us to sit and marinate behind Gates and pick up the tricks of the trade. Both are great receiving TE's in this draft, and are perfect guys to develop as Gates' eventual successor. Green is a better athlete, but is also much more raw and undersized, while Fleener is the more experienced blocker, but doesn't have the ceiling that Green does, i'd be VERY happy with either)

4th: Winston Guy Jr. SS, Kentucky (This guy is SERIOUSLY underrated. He played a hybrid LB/SS position this year, but has started games at CB, FS, SS and LB as well in his career at Kentucky. He's got 120 tackles THIS YEAR from that SS/LB spot, and is a great man coverage guy vs. TE's. He's a great compliment to Weddle and is one of those guys who is a VERY good player on a bad team.)

5th: Markus Zuescevics OT, Iowa (He's a guy from a program that hasn't produced a bust OL in quite a while when they actually had draft worthy guys. He's not a LT, and never will be, and gets overshadowed by Reiff, but he's been almost as good and seems VERY similar in terms of production when i watch that Iowa OL. Reiff is the better athlete, but not by a whole ton IMO. Credit goes to The LBC for finding/bringing up this guy.)

6th: DaJohn Harris DE/NT, USC (He's sort of that swing player, where he can backup all positions along our DL and has really gotten under appreciated all this year he's been great and at 6'4" 315ish lbs, he could be a steal and, although he may be a career backup, he'll be a solid rotational player for years to come)

7th: Mark Harrison/Wes Kemp/Thomas Mayo WR, Rutgers/Mizzou/Cal (PA) (These are all guys who are those insanely high ceiling guys who will be better NFL players that college players because of the coaching here. Again, we have the best coaching in the NFL for WR's and with the insane upside these guys have, its a great option for us. Both could be developed like we've done with VJ/Floyd among others.)
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone interested in Janoris Jenkins? I mean cb has got to be up there in needs and this guy is awesome. Plus we could move Jammer to SS and kill two birds with one stone. If marcus "grilled toast" improves our secondary would look pretty good. Yeah I know about the character issues, but this choir boy drafting hasnt been panning out too well. See Cason,Antoine and English,Larry. I know it would be contingent on a new gm but Jenkins could be worth the gamble. My early first round five player cluster

David Decastro
Janoris Jenkins
Dre Kirkpatrick
Michael Floyd
Courtney Upshaw
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BoltsFan937 wrote:
Anyone interested in Janoris Jenkins? I mean cb has got to be up there in needs and this guy is awesome. Plus we could move Jammer to SS and kill two birds with one stone. If marcus "grilled toast" improves our secondary would look pretty good. Yeah I know about the character issues, but this choir boy drafting hasnt been panning out too well. See Cason,Antoine and English,Larry. I know it would be contingent on a new gm but Jenkins could be worth the gamble. My early first round five player cluster

David Decastro
Janoris Jenkins
Dre Kirkpatrick
Michael Floyd
Courtney Upshaw


I'm fine with taking chances with guys with minor character concerns, which we haven't been doing. But i'll pass on Pacman Jones 2.0....
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I like Duffman's signings but we didn't get a single CB in the draft or free agency.. That would be a disaster. Jammer is not a good cornerback anymore and Antoine Cason is probably the worst player in the NFL besides Jeromey Clary and maybe Mark Sanchez. I like Gilchrist a lot but we absolutely need to bring someone in.

We have so many needs that we're going to have to make some big name signings in free agency and hopefully bring in like 2 starters there.

QB- We should sign a young backup rather than draft one if possible because we could use the pick on a FB, ILB, WR, or safety. Maybe even DL.

RB- Well we need a third down back but depending on how many years will be on Tolbert's contract we should either sign Forsett if he's worth it or draft Isaiah Pead, who may be my Leonard Hankerson of this draft. Love the guy. I say we sign Tolbert short term and eventually have just TDEK and Pead because they compliment each other perfectly.

FB- It's time for a new fullback. Chad Diehl from Clemson is a good blocker who could probably be picked up in the 7th but he offers nothing other than blocking which I dont mind at all. Better yet Cody Johnson from Texas will probably be the best in the draft and is easily the best blocker. Early 6th guy.

WR- We need someone with breakaway speed to play the slot but they need to have good hands and be able to run routes. Is Steve Smith a free agent? Let's give him the 3rd spot, he can compete with Vbro to help motivate him, and we can get him cheap since he had a low statistical production year.

TE- Don't want one in the 3rd or before unless we've already addressed OLB, OG, and CB. I'd rather bring in John Carlson and draft Gates 2.0 next year along with a SS in the first two rounds.

OL: I say we atleast try to sign Carl Nicks if Dielman retires. Best case scenario is we see something like this next year:
Gaither--Nicks/2nd rounder--Hardwick--Vasquez--McNeill
Btw.. Marcus McNeill (as a LT) trade value?

DL- Still no clue why we drafted Luiget unless we are moving to a 4-3 which we would NEED Coples to do. Had we drafted an actual 34LE we could finally be done with Castillo's Contract.

OLB: Perry or a second rounder paired with a free agent.

ILB: I'd say 5th or 6th rounder here.

CB: I really want Terrell Thomas. Perry in the first, best OG available in the second, Pead in the 4th and Thomas are my current draft wishes. Thomas is an underrated quality zone corner who will take Cason's job the second we sign him. Gilchrist will likely beat out Cason at nickel meaning we get rid of yet another AJ bust. Yay.

S- Does stuckey do anything? Havent seen him do anything at all. We definitely need to bring in a safety.

As long as AJ admits that English, Clary, and Cason are horrible then we probably shouldnt fire him because outside of Luiget, VJ/MM, and Stuckey he's been much better recently.
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Stone85 wrote:
FB- It's time for a new fullback. Chad Diehl from Clemson is a good blocker who could probably be picked up in the 7th but he offers nothing other than blocking which I dont mind at all. Better yet Cody Johnson from Texas will probably be the best in the draft and is easily the best blocker. Early 6th guy.


I really don't see the need for a new FB. Hester is very good, and allows the team to only carry 2 active RB's. He can run well, catch, and he's a good blocker. He may not be a Lorenzo Neil type blocker, but he takes good angles, has good technique, and holds his ground. So he helps in the running game, the passing game, and he's the ST's captain. Why exactly is it time to replace him?

[quote="Stone85"S- Does stuckey do anything? Havent seen him do anything at all. We definitely need to bring in a safety.[/quote]

He's actually the Gunner on both the punt and kickoff teams. He does a pretty good job on both. He's not making a lot of tackles, but he keep containment, and forces them into Tolbert. I don't understand why he's the Gunner, and not Goodman, but it hasn't hurt anything yet.

He's also on both return teams as a blocker.
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Hm, I don't think of Hester as as good of a blocker as you do then. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems like there are a pretty good amount of fullbacks that make a better run blocking impact than Hester right now. I doubt we replace him but I personally would want a better blocker.

And my b, didn't realize Stuckey was doing so much for the STs. Guess I just don't pay enough attention to special teams play.
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Hm, I don't think of Hester as as good of a blocker as you do then. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems like there are a pretty good amount of fullbacks that make a better run blocking impact than Hester right now. I doubt we replace him but I personally would want a better blocker.

And my b, didn't realize Stuckey was doing so much for the STs. Guess I just don't pay enough attention to special teams play.


Not really. Hester's a huge reason why MAthews has been so good. He's a very good blocker and he's money on ST and third downs.
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Hm, I don't think of Hester as as good of a blocker as you do then. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems like there are a pretty good amount of fullbacks that make a better run blocking impact than Hester right now. I doubt we replace him but I personally would want a better blocker.

And my b, didn't realize Stuckey was doing so much for the STs. Guess I just don't pay enough attention to special teams play.


Not really. Hester's a huge reason why MAthews has been so good. He's a very good blocker and he's money on ST and third downs.


The young one is right. Hester isn't laying people out, but he's moving them where he's supposed to. He's opening holes, or holding guys up enough that the RB's can make cuts around them. He's not your typical bruising FB, but he gets the job done. His abilities in all the other areas makes him pretty valuable.
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Hm.. maybe I'm wrong then.

Btw, outside of the first round guys, what do your CB rankings look like? Don't have a favorite at the position, then again I haven't watched much of them
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JammerHammer21 wrote:
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Hm, I don't think of Hester as as good of a blocker as you do then. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems like there are a pretty good amount of fullbacks that make a better run blocking impact than Hester right now. I doubt we replace him but I personally would want a better blocker.

And my b, didn't realize Stuckey was doing so much for the STs. Guess I just don't pay enough attention to special teams play.


Not really. Hester's a huge reason why MAthews has been so good. He's a very good blocker and he's money on ST and third downs.


Yah, Hester REALLY impoved as a blocker this last year or two. He's not a guy who will drive people off the ball, but is someone who will get to a LB hold his ground and create a lane, more in the way of turning his blocker than blowing him off the ball.

I still want Rendrick Taylor.

And i dont know why people keep talking about needing to upgrade our CB's. They cant do anything when their giving guys a 10 yard cussion every play, when we have 3 or 4 physical CB's that are a bit slower. The struggles of our CB's I think can be attributed to terrible scheme and no pass rush. Fix the pass rush (Nick Perry and Ahmad Brooks/Quentin Groves PLEASE) and get the new DC and a lot of our problems will be fixed.

The problem with Cason, is that he'll look like a top tier CB for the entire game, and then there will just be 3 or 4 plays a game, he'll have stupid lapses in concentration, and he's blow a coverage and just create big plays for the other team. You get a new coach who can teach him the ways of pressing and i think those mental lapses get better, and he doesn't become a threat for our own team. Jammer's probably gonna have to move to S now, which i'm ok with, and Gilchrist and Wright seem to have a LOT of potential. If we really need a CB, we wont go after a younger guy like Terrell Thomas, though i could see us going after a guy like Trufant or something.
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my updated mock
Free agents: Eddie Royal, LaDainian Tomlinson
Resign: Hardwick, Jackson, Gaither, Hester, Goodman, Sperry, Harris, Windt
I am assuming McNeill retires and Dielman and Hardwick return.
1. Nick Perry, OLB, USC
2. Mike Adams, OT, Ohio State
3. Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford
4. Winston Guy, S, Kentucky
5. Marquise Maze, WR, Alabama
6. Jerry Franklin, ILB, Arkansas
7. Star Lotulelei, NT, Utah
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Duffman57 wrote:
JammerHammer21 wrote:
Stone85 wrote:
Hm, I don't think of Hester as as good of a blocker as you do then. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems like there are a pretty good amount of fullbacks that make a better run blocking impact than Hester right now. I doubt we replace him but I personally would want a better blocker.

And my b, didn't realize Stuckey was doing so much for the STs. Guess I just don't pay enough attention to special teams play.


Not really. Hester's a huge reason why MAthews has been so good. He's a very good blocker and he's money on ST and third downs.


Yah, Hester REALLY impoved as a blocker this last year or two. He's not a guy who will drive people off the ball, but is someone who will get to a LB hold his ground and create a lane, more in the way of turning his blocker than blowing him off the ball.

I still want Rendrick Taylor.

And i dont know why people keep talking about needing to upgrade our CB's. They cant do anything when their giving guys a 10 yard cussion every play, when we have 3 or 4 physical CB's that are a bit slower. The struggles of our CB's I think can be attributed to terrible scheme and no pass rush. Fix the pass rush (Nick Perry and Ahmad Brooks/Quentin Groves PLEASE) and get the new DC and a lot of our problems will be fixed.

The problem with Cason, is that he'll look like a top tier CB for the entire game, and then there will just be 3 or 4 plays a game, he'll have stupid lapses in concentration, and he's blow a coverage and just create big plays for the other team. You get a new coach who can teach him the ways of pressing and i think those mental lapses get better, and he doesn't become a threat for our own team. Jammer's probably gonna have to move to S now, which i'm ok with, and Gilchrist and Wright seem to have a LOT of potential. If we really need a CB, we wont go after a younger guy like Terrell Thomas, though i could see us going after a guy like Trufant or something.



I totally agree that our CBs are not as bad as they have looked this year. ALOT of it has to do with scheme, just look at how horrible the DBs for the 49ers looked last year. Manustinky wants them playing so far off of their cover that it makes it impossible to actually cover the guy.

Jammer may be slowing but I still think he has a year or 2 left in him as a solid CB before we really need to move him or move on from him. Cason is better than alot of people give him credit for, it is just when he does screw up it is most definitely a TD. I also dont blame him so much about the game verse the Giants because it was painfully obvious that Plax was just bullying Cason, they should have put Jammer or Hughes (really like this guy) on him to be more physical at the line. With Hughes, Gilchrist, and Wright I actually think we have some good CBs once we can get a pass rush that doesnt make them cover for so long.
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