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PanthersFan57
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PanthersFan here, and I am looking to create a mock draft. I have the Chargers picking #27 (11-5 record)
What are your biggest team needs?
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charger-man
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I don't know if we have a consensus position we need to upgrade, but BPA at any of these positions is plausible:
1. OT
2. OLB
3. WR
4. SS |
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The LBC
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| Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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| charger-man wrote: | I don't know if we have a consensus position we need to upgrade, but BPA at any of these positions is plausible:
1. OT
2. OLB
3. WR
4. SS |
Also, depending on if you're trying to just plug and play off of strictly "need" positions or go off of actual GM trends:
Despite the fact that an upgrade at RT is something very few of us on this forum would disagree that we need, AJ Smith has never used a 1st round pick on an offensive lineman. I'm not saying it absolutely happen, but Jeromey Clary's play would have to far and away be the biggest issue on the team this season for it to happen.
I'd also say that SS isn't going to be that high on his radar. He has a reasonably high pick (for AJ at least) invested in Stuckey, who will be at least given the opportunity to fail at FS with Weddle (whose locked in as a starter by virtue of his contract for the foreseeable future) at the other safety spot before AJ will invest another high(er) pick in the position. And we've still yet to see how the team intends to use 2011 2nd round pick Marcus Gilchrist, whether his future lies at safety or corner, specifically.
If I was to rank likelihood of positions in the order they'd be drafted:
1. OLB/CB (depending upon whose play is weaker by the end of the season: Larry English or Antoine Cason - right now English is leading that battle because he hasn't even managed to get on the field this season)
2. CB/OLB (whichever wasn't selected in the 1st, with the possibility that with the pick being so late in the round that AJ just nuts up and takes a RT here)
3. OT/Best Available Interior OL/TE
4. TE/Interior OL/WR
5. WR/DB/OT (I think this may be a draft where we double up at least on OL and possibly at OT since Dombrowski's also scheduled to be a UFA IIRC in 2012 and I have my doubts that the team will fall over itself to retain him if Clary is playing as inconsistently as he has been and they won't even consider giving Dombo reps).
6. ???
7. ???
Typically we'll have ended up trading one of our picks away (it always seems to happen...), but if AJ keeps his full compliment these late late rounders are typically used on BPA at an anticipated "future need" (i.e. 2-3 years down the line).
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Duffman57
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I honestly dont see CB as a major need, and i know that Cason didn't play very well last week, but he did play well the week before (barring the one play where he got burnt and mcnabby missed him). But he's definitely a talented guy.
Add him to what we decided to put into Wright and Gilchrist, and i'm not sure that we'll draft a CB early again. I think it will be more for depth than for a starter, but i've been quite surprised before.
I think OLB is the obvious 1st round pick, but i guess i could see WR as the pick too, obviously depending on the situation.
Interior OL or CB is probably the next pick in my opinion.
So for me personally it would be...
3-4 OLB
WR
OL/CB
CB/OL
TE/OL/NT/ILB for the rest of the picks, or just BPA the rest of the picks.
Safety might be in the mix, but it looks like our guys are pretty good there for now, so we'll see. It will all depend on how Sanders holds up and how Stuckey holds up.
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The LBC
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| Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Duffman57 wrote: | I honestly dont see CB as a major need, and i know that Cason didn't play very well last week, but he did play well the week before (barring the one play where he got burnt and mcnabby missed him). But he's definitely a talented guy.
Add him to what we decided to put into Wright and Gilchrist, and i'm not sure that we'll draft a CB early again. I think it will be more for depth than for a starter, but i've been quite surprised before.
I think OLB is the obvious 1st round pick, but i guess i could see WR as the pick too, obviously depending on the situation.
Interior OL or CB is probably the next pick in my opinion.
So for me personally it would be...
3-4 OLB
WR
OL/CB
CB/OL
TE/OL/NT/ILB for the rest of the picks, or just BPA the rest of the picks.
Safety might be in the mix, but it looks like our guys are pretty good there for now, so we'll see. It will all depend on how Sanders holds up and how Stuckey holds up. |
One of the main reasons why I feel like CB may draw some strong consideration is because it's really a wild card what we do and what happens with Jammer - the amount of years on his contract extension will be telling. But we've really only got Cason for certain for one more year 2012, and after that I'm not sure how the new CBA retroactively affects contracts that were signed prior to the rookie pay ladder.
That said, we know AJ has a proclivity for draft "for the future" as well as for the present and if certain underclassmen declare this will be a very deep CB class - probably the deepest in 1st round caliber talent since Cason's class - chock with guys who have potential to be legit #1's.
CB's kind of my dark horse 1st rounder. It's not what I'd do, but it wouldn't surprise me and I wouldn't argue it depending on the prospect it brought. If it brings Morris Claiborne, I'm certainly not arguing.
There are plenty of guys, from watching them play in 4-3's and trying to project, that look like they could be prospects that could transition to a 2-point stance and the rush-LB position, but until we get them in shorts and get a chance to see how they move in space and how flexible their hips are we won't be able to really get a proper gauge. So the OLB class may not be as deep as it looks like it could be right now; in fact, cautious realism says take probably at least two of them and figure that they're likely to have stiffer hips and despite being more ideally fit size-wise for the 3-4 are likely more physically limited to the 4-3.
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BoltsFan937
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 1:52 am Post subject: |
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I would say
Nose Tackle if a stud one is available
Outside linebacker
O line
WR
BPA from there on out
Garay is no spring chicken and injury prone himself. We all.know.about the pass rush after phillips and the woes of jeromey clary. |
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:18 am Post subject: |
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| BoltsFan937 wrote: | I would say
Nose Tackle if a stud one is available
Outside linebacker
O line
WR
BPA from there on out
Garay is no spring chicken and injury prone himself. We all.know.about the pass rush after phillips and the woes of jeromey clary. |
He is?... injury prone, I mean. And are we neglecting the fact that the "prime" for DT's is in their early 30's (documented, that's not just some random claim)? Or are we also forgetting the presence of both Cam Thomas and Vaughn Martin on this roster - both capable of playing at a high level at NT.
Then throw in that collegiate NT's more than 9x out of 10 take more than a year to develop into pro-caliber NT's... and we should be spending a high pick on an NT why? Quite frankly, aside from adding depth (preferably as BPA additions in the later rounds to unearth a few gems along the way) we really shouldn't have to worry about the front 3 in the defense for several years unless we lose one of the three contractually or Thomas just flat out busts (which at this point looks like would only happen via major injury).
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charger-man
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 11:21 am Post subject: |
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I think we can all agree that the defensive line is our most promising unit, so I doubt we'll spend a first day pick on NT.
I think we will spend a first day pick on the secondary, but whether it's CB or S depends on how the team feels about Gilchrist. Stuckey and Cason. Obviously it looks like English will never be a stud pass rusher, so OLB will be the next concern. I really like Frank Alexander from Oklahoma. He may not have blazing speed, but I have a feeling he will be rising up the draft boards as the season goes on. |
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| charger-man wrote: | I think we can all agree that the defensive line is our most promising unit, so I doubt we'll spend a first day pick on NT.
I think we will spend a first day pick on the secondary, but whether it's CB or S depends on how the team feels about Gilchrist. Stuckey and Cason. Obviously it looks like English will never be a stud pass rusher, so OLB will be the next concern. I really like Frank Alexander from Oklahoma. He may not have blazing speed, but I have a feeling he will be rising up the draft boards as the season goes on. |
It's not a matter of needing blazing speed, it's a matter of needing elite (or close to it) burst and I'm highly questionable as to whether Alexander has that - it's really difficult to judge that from tape, particularly where Oklahoma is concerned because their scheme and system make guys appear to have better burst than they actually do (see Jeremy Beal).
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Stone85
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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| The LBC wrote: | | charger-man wrote: | I don't know if we have a consensus position we need to upgrade, but BPA at any of these positions is plausible:
1. OT
2. OLB
3. WR
4. SS |
Also, depending on if you're trying to just plug and play off of strictly "need" positions or go off of actual GM trends:
Despite the fact that an upgrade at RT is something very few of us on this forum would disagree that we need, AJ Smith has never used a 1st round pick on an offensive lineman. I'm not saying it absolutely happen, but Jeromey Clary's play would have to far and away be the biggest issue on the team this season for it to happen.
I'd also say that SS isn't going to be that high on his radar. He has a reasonably high pick (for AJ at least) invested in Stuckey, who will be at least given the opportunity to fail at FS with Weddle (whose locked in as a starter by virtue of his contract for the foreseeable future) at the other safety spot before AJ will invest another high(er) pick in the position. And we've still yet to see how the team intends to use 2011 2nd round pick Marcus Gilchrist, whether his future lies at safety or corner, specifically.
If I was to rank likelihood of positions in the order they'd be drafted:
1. OLB/CB (depending upon whose play is weaker by the end of the season: Larry English or Antoine Cason - right now English is leading that battle because he hasn't even managed to get on the field this season)
2. CB/OLB (whichever wasn't selected in the 1st, with the possibility that with the pick being so late in the round that AJ just nuts up and takes a RT here)
3. OT/Best Available Interior OL/TE
4. TE/Interior OL/WR
5. WR/DB/OT (I think this may be a draft where we double up at least on OL and possibly at OT since Dombrowski's also scheduled to be a UFA IIRC in 2012 and I have my doubts that the team will fall over itself to retain him if Clary is playing as inconsistently as he has been and they won't even consider giving Dombo reps).
6. ???
7. ???
Typically we'll have ended up trading one of our picks away (it always seems to happen...), but if AJ keeps his full compliment these late late rounders are typically used on BPA at an anticipated "future need" (i.e. 2-3 years down the line). |
Absolutely agree with all of this. I'd like to see us take a DE or a NT late in the draft. |
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AntonioGates
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Most of us thought OLB was a top need this offseason. The Chargers didn't do anything to change that except bring back a stop gap in Barnes and a journeyman LaBoy.
WR also need, probably biggest if AJ stupid enough to not bring back VJ. |
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Duffman57
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| AntonioGates wrote: | Most of us thought OLB was a top need this offseason. The Chargers didn't do anything to change that except bring back a stop gap in Barnes and a journeyman LaBoy.
WR also need, probably biggest if AJ stupid enough to not bring back VJ. |
Barnes isn't a stop gap, he is what he's always been...a situational pass rusher, and a dam good one at that.
We do need more of an every down OLB IMO and that should be first priority, but i doubt it will happen, since OLB play wasn't our biggest issue.
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| AntonioGates wrote: | Most of us thought OLB was a top need this offseason. The Chargers didn't do anything to change that except bring back a stop gap in Barnes and a journeyman LaBoy.
WR also need, probably biggest if AJ stupid enough to not bring back VJ. |
Well... I wouldn't say most of us. Or at least you need to add a caveat to that statement, as in: Most of us thought that OLB was a top need this offseason... if English didn't turn a corner in his development and produce. Otherwise most of us saw a need to acquire someone who could be groomed as an eventual successor to Phillips but barring the opportunity to geta guy with an elite ceiling I would have had trouble with someone trying to argue that OLB was a bigger need than DE, ILB, and WR considering the turnover we had on the team going into the draft and the unknowns of free agency.
If I'm being honest, I'm still at best around 50% that AJ would take an OLB in the 1st round at this point. He just keeps making excuses and giving more slack to "his guys" at the expense of the team. How many free passes did Buster get before he was finally cut? I'm not quite read to recognize that Buster being released and given up on was AJ turning any kind of a corner. At this point the only positions I'd rule out from the 1st round are QB, RB, DE, and ILB... and then probably, but not certainly, OT, S, and NT, but while I don't think the later two are needs I wouldn't be jaw-on-the-floor shocked if any of the three were the position of the pick.
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